Experts Find Glocks Prone To Accidents

Syracuse Post-Standard ^ | 8/7/02 | John O'Brien

[Mulder]

Sig P226? It was the 9mm and I think we were firing Federal ammo. We've gone through so many different brands of ammo. I think it was the Federal hydro shoks.

Thanks for the info. I haven't had any trouble with the hydra-shoks yet, but then again I typically fire the cheap stuff (CCI Blazer or Winchester White Box) at the range. Maybe I'll switch over to Speer Gold Dots for my SD ammo....

[Shooter 2.5]

I think you just stepped in it.
First off, Jeff Cooper is on the Board of Directors of the NRA.
That said, let's look at the rules of the NRA and the Colonel's


Cooper's first rule is all guns are loaded. All the time. That's a mindset. Don't go around saying, "Oh, that one's unloaded so we can do something stupid. No. The attitude is all guns are loaded. Nowhere does he say, "Keep your guns loaded".
The NRA believes that all guns should be unloaded when they are not in use. Fine. I don't see the reason why any gun should be loaded if it's not being used. Just don't get into the habit of having your unloaded guns and your loaded guns. Some guns may look exactly alike. AND THAT HAS HAPPENED.

The second rule of Cooper's is: Don't point the gun at something you aren't willing to destroy which is exactly like the NRA's point the gun in a safe direction.

Cooper's and the NRA are in agreement with the third rule. Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot.

Cooper's fourth rule is: Be sure of your target and what's behind it. The NRA doesn't mention this or if they do, you didn't mention it since I'm copying off your last comments

I'm not going to comment about one person and an organization. I know what works for me and I'll stay with those rules.

[Newbomb Turk]

Every glock has a safety. Its at the end of your index finger (trigger finger). NEVER place your finger on the trigger unless you intend to fire your weapon.

[Johnny Crab]

I believe if you practice with CCI and then use Speer for SD you'll notice little difference except the casing cover(brass vs aluminum) as they are both made by Blount and "sold" to ATK( http://www.blount.com/segcloseb.html ).

Q: How do folks know you own Glocks and are "safe"?

A: When you carry a cup of coffee, your finger points in the direction you are walking(becomes instinct when you have the bottom three fingers wrapped around anything including a coffee cup!).

[Gadsen]

....because the company has never been found liable for any unintentional shooting, Doneburgh said.

The important thing to remember is that the manual safety switch is in the same exact place on every firearm ever produced, and that ever will be produced. It's between the ears of the person holding the gun.

Never put your finger on the trigger until the sights are on the target. This safety works every time.

[Squantos]

Do ya remember those great little rubber dart guns ya played with as a youth. Ya wet the rubber tip, pushed it down the barrel till it clicked and then ya let er fly and stuck it to your bedroom window or sisters forehead ??

That is the exact same trigger on a glock IMHO. Check it out......Clear it , and dry fire it.....spoing spoing spoing......:o)

But the case here is idiots who are ill trained . There are a gazillion glocks in service with Military, LEO's and Civilians and as with any other firearm yer gonna have such incidents. This is just one more department wanting new firearms and is using their "misfires" to promote such a purchase.

I personally love the glock. It's accurate, reliable and is up to the wear and tear of day to day carry. I even named one of my rottweillers "Tenifer" !!! (Black, tough as hell and deadly when applied properly) I have half a dozen of em in assorted flavors and not one of em has ever given me a bit of trouble .....ever !

Stay Safe

[Squantos]

Negligent discharges are far more frequent with Glocks.....

Source of your data ?

Stay Safe !

[glc1173@aol.com]

"Bingo-the safety on the Glock is the same safety on revolvers-internal only."

Nothing in common. Double-action revolvers (only kind U.S. police have carried in decades) have a long, heavy trigger pull - minimizing chance of idiot shootings. DA semis like Sig without safety also have long, heavy trigger pull for first shot; some on all shots - also making accidents unlikely. But Glocks are single-action light, short trigger pull on all shots - without a safety.

[Travis McGee]

I loved those spring action "dart guns" as a kid.

You could pull the rubber suction cups off, and get twice the distance and velocity from the hard plastic 6" long shanks when shooting your brother across the room.

Of course, the PC Police and Safety Nazis teamed up and banned them years ago. I found some bad current copies recently for my kids, but the "darts" were 3" long one piece soft plastic with about 1/10th the range and velocity of the originals. You can't even take off the suction cups.

[185JHP]

There's three main reasons not to own a Glock: if you value safety, fast shooting, and accurate shooting. Glocks are "popular" - but then, so was AlGore.

[PatrioticAmerican]

Various report and articles, such as one done by Denver PD after a detective had an ND in his car.

[5Madman2]

I guess in my rush to reply, I did not express my self properly. What I meant, is the primary safety in both is the long pull that ensures the shooter has to want to pull the trigger to make it go bang. The Glock 5.5 pound pull does not quite meaure up to some revolvers 8-12 pd pulls , but Glock fixed that with the NY trigger units.

Not too argue, but to show my frame of reference, I remember some briefings and demos on SW revolvers and internal safeties. The instructor put a pencil through the barrel/cylinder, cocked the hammer, and tapped the trigger w/another pencil, releasing it and the hammer. The firing pin did not contact the pencil, showing you had to pull the trigger to get it to fire. When he pulled the trigger, the pencil flew out.

Once again the primary reason for unintentional discharges is the operator. The most importantt safety on any weapon is between the ears

[archy]

I personally love the glock. It's accurate, reliable and is up to the wear and tear of day to day carry. I even named one of my rottweillers "Tenifer" !!! (Black, tough as hell and deadly when applied properly) I have half a dozen of em in assorted flavors and not one of em has ever given me a bit of trouble .....ever !

No trouble from the Glocks, or from the Rotties? I've had to do some minor parts replacement, but as with the M1911A1 .45, every component part of a Glock can be removed and replaced without tools [okay, some folks count the Glosk factory pin puser as a *tool,* but it's certainly not necessary]

If it's a half-dozen trouble-free Glocks you've got, it sounds like you're in good shape, as I am with my 17. But if it's multiple obedient and well-behaved Rotties you have, let me know if you're ever blessed with pups....

-archy-/-

[archy]

See also the details from the trial of Millington, TN police officer Peter Nichelson, convicted last year of criminally negligent homicide for the fatal 1997 shooting of 17-year-old Rodie Dale Gossett.

Gossett was hit once in the head by a .45-caliber bullet fired from white Millington police officer Peter Nichelson's issue Glock 21 as the officer "ran up and paused for a second and shot [him] Gossett." Gossett was black.

Since Nichelson was not charged nor convicted for an intentional murder, violation of the suspected auto thief's civil rights, or any associated *hate crime,* but was instead convicted of criminally negligent homicide, it appears that his misuse of that pistol was the negligent act. See Rule 4.

Nevertheless, police investigators, deputy prosecutors and juries hereabouts view the Glock as the choice of local drug dealers, bikers and negligent cops, as the local city PD folks carry S&W autopistols, and that perception weighs on the carry and use of Glocks by the rest of us. Of course, some local feds use the .40 Glock as well.

-archy-/-

[Squantos]

Nope , just three Rottweillers .....Tenifer, Chaos and "Fluffy" (don't ask). As to pups I'll keep ya posted .......

My first experience with the glock was in Quito Ecuador. A SF troop was packing one as he liked the no rust option that glocks seem to enjoy from good tough finishing process. I have actually been to the glock USA facility in Smyrna GA and was given the nickle tour , dinner and a great ride in one very nice custom porsche Mr Glock had given his CEO there. Mr Carl Walther was CEO of that place then and when my team and I went to pick out and pick up our order we got to break bread with Carl and his wife.

If I'm not mistaken he has since went to Ruger and then was with Steyr and now GSI in Huntsville. Glocks are great duty guns IMHO and take more abuse than we could dish out. I prefer the 1911 series for my personal use but if a High Capacity , reliable sidearm is needed the Glock is right up there with my SIG 228 . If I know I'm gonna get wet and muddy I'll take the glock everytime as it is just a rugged simple piece of gear. The P38 C-Rat opener of pistolas IMHO.......

Stay Safe !

[Squantos]

Albeit I love the "old" S&W wheelguns I would'nt commit suicide with a S&W semi-auto. Biggest POS I have ever encountered is a S&W SA.......

And I was fair about it. I just assumed I got a bad one, sent it back under warranty and S&W replaced it. The one they sent back went south after the 333'd round requiring more warranty work. All of this with commercial black hills ammo (no reloads). Confidence is extreamly low for the S&W SA's for me based on the above experience and have I said I DON'T like S&W autos enough !!!

Stay Safe Archy !!

[harpseal]

Way back in 1968 I got a S&W Model 59 9mm that has gone through over 10,000 rounds with the only malfunctions directly attributable to some Canadian military surplus ammo with exceptionally hard primers. The gun has never once stovepiped failed to feed or failed in any other way with the above exception. misfires were corrected by pulling the trigger DA mode. This is one of the older guns with the barrel bushing, aluminum alloy frame, and a revolver grade trigger. I guess way back then I got one of the good ones.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[Cap'n Crunch]

LOL, I guess they could have put up a leather jacket for me because I had my wall locker open and had the sense at least to point the gun at my locker before I dropped the mag. After that I went totally brain dead and pulled the trigger. Round went through the side of my locker, into my buddies locker and I killed his leather jacket. Then into a concrete wall.

Maybe a locker and a jacket target.

[Cap'n Crunch]

LOL, oh, and mine wouldn't have counted either if I hadn't of blown up my buddies jacket. Duct tape fixes everything.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Your welcome.

Our range officer thought that this happened perhaps because the guns had so many rounds through them. I don't think he dug too deep to find out. I didn't either since we were trading them in.

Best wishes.