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CHILD PORNOGRAPHY RING ARRESTED
Associated Press .. breaking on the wire | August 9, 2002 | Connie Cass (AP)

Posted on 08/09/2002 8:59:43 AM PDT by NYer

WASHINGTON (AP) _ Ten Americans and six foreigners were charged Friday with taking sexually explicit photographs of their own children or children in their care and sending them over the Internet to an international child pornography ring, the U.S. Customs Service said.

Forty-five children, including 37 in the United States, were victims and have been removed from the care of those indicted, Customs officials said. Most of them are in the custody of another parent or relative.

The defendants include nine people from seven states who were indicted in Fresno, Calif., along with six residents of Denmark, Switzerland and the Netherlands. The indictment alleges that members of the ring, referring to themselves as ``the club,'' traded messages across the Internet requesting photographs of specific sexual poses. One man asked for an audiotape so he could hear a child crying while being spanked, the indictment said, and another posed naked with an underage girl.

The Customs Service coordinated the U.S. investigation that began last November with a request for help from the Danish National Police, who were acting on a tip about an international child pornography ring. ``I congratulate the investigators whose ingenuity and perseverance brought these people to justice,'' Customs Commissioner Robert C. Bonner said in a statement.

The Americans charged include: Lloyd Alan Emmerson of Fresno County, Calif.; Paul Whitmore and Brooke Rowland, San Diego County, Calif.; Tracy Reynolds, Texas; Leslie Peter Bowcut, Idaho; Michael David Harland, Florida; Harry Eldon Tschernetzki, Washington state; John Zill, South Carolina; Craig Davidson, Kansas. The identity of the tenth American was not immediately available.

The foreigners were identified as Eggert Jensen and Bente Jensen of Denmark; Jean-Michael Frances Cattin, Marcel Egli and Peter Althaus of Switzerland; and Dirk-Jan Prins of the Netherlands.

On the Net: Customs Service: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov

AP-ES-08-09-02 1114EDT


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Idaho; US: Kansas; US: South Carolina; US: Texas; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: childabuse; eurotrash; interpol; pornography; uscustoms
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To: Frapster
Is it not possible that we should rethink our views on other behaviors just as we have on homosexuality?

That is exactly what the perverse among the population are counting on.

21 posted on 08/09/2002 9:40:35 AM PDT by lsee
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To: Khepera
Charge them for devient acts just like we used to do.

What about the ones who aren't engaging in any "deviant" acts (as in, they're not engaging in sexual activity, since I know you define it all as "deviant"). Would you propose a federal law, or just relay on state laws?

Find them in public restrooms and parks just like we do already.

And the ones who don't hang out in such places?
22 posted on 08/09/2002 9:41:52 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: aomagrat
Isn't that a little inappropriate? Where are the razor blades or the rubber hoses? That doesn't look like they'd suffer for even a few minutes -- they'd be gone and it would be all over.
23 posted on 08/09/2002 9:42:57 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Catspaw
A Chiropractor.. when you start out a fraud there's nowhere to go but down.
24 posted on 08/09/2002 9:43:18 AM PDT by HalfIrish
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
...they always isolate them because they would be killed in general prison population.But i see that as a great deterrent...

Yes, that would be one heck of a deterrent; especially the things that would happen to them *before* they are finally killed.

25 posted on 08/09/2002 9:43:49 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: Dimensio
I don't care much for comparisons between the "wrongness" of homosexuality and the "wrongness" of adult-child sex. I think that arguments in favour of adult-child sex are easily demolished on their own, and I think that if you cannot think of criteria for denouncing adult-child sex without appealing to some alleged "wrongness" of homosexuality then you've not thought things through.

I think it would be that obvious too - but apparently it's not. Of course the same thing was said of homosexuality not 20 or 30 years ago.

26 posted on 08/09/2002 9:45:05 AM PDT by Frapster
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To: NYer
"The identity of the tenth American was not immediately available."

Hmmmm.....Bill Clinton?

27 posted on 08/09/2002 9:46:43 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Dimensio
What do you think?
28 posted on 08/09/2002 9:48:39 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
"this is absolutely despicable that people would use thier own children for their own purient lusts"

More likely it is money that they lust for, and not children. Of course, given the shameless disregard they have for their own children, if that is the case it is just as bad.

29 posted on 08/09/2002 9:49:15 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Frapster
So I put the question out for my fellow freepers to discuss: If informed consent can be demonstrated do you think that "child porn" and "pedophilia" should be viewed differently? After all - I have seen plenty of articles and papers in the past couple of years stating that very thing.

Let's be clear on the underlying assumption of this question: in and of themselves, the acts are never wrong.

Instead, acts are wrong or not, based on the context in which they're performed.

In other words, it's moral relativism.

Perhaps a better question might be: "is there any action that is intrinsically wrong?"

30 posted on 08/09/2002 9:51:36 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: NYer
I wonder how long it takes before some dim-wit starts defending child porngraphy as free speech.
31 posted on 08/09/2002 9:51:48 AM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: Charles Martel
"make sure they are in the general prison population"

Problem with that is that all they have to do is to say that they fear for their lives and they will be removed from the general population, just like they did with Avila. It is well known that even prisoners have utter contempt for those that sexually abuse children.

32 posted on 08/09/2002 9:52:01 AM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: Frapster
Well, okay.

Why is adult-child sex wrong? I'm speaking of children <12 and adults >18 (not that I think that sex with a fourteen-year old is "acceptable" by any means, but I'm trying to stay within the context of these arrests, which I assume involved very young children).

Why is homosexuality wrong? Be specific, don't offer what "some" or "many" homosexuals do. Explain exactly why two people of the same gender engaging in sexual activity of any kind is "wrong" no matter the circumstances.

I should hope that your answers are significantly different.
33 posted on 08/09/2002 9:54:06 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: r9etb
Perhaps a better question might be: "is there any action that is intrinsically wrong?"

You've hit the nail on the head - why is pedophilia wrong if homosexuality is right - particularly if 'informed consent' and be demonstrated in both? I always get "the difference is obvious" argument but no one explains why it's so obvious. From my perspective it's obvious why homosexuality is wrong but when I offer up my reasons they are discounted because they are a) religious in nature, b) suspect in their origins, c) refuted by other studies that demonstrate my studies just wrong because their study supports their point of view and mine's just obviously wrong.

34 posted on 08/09/2002 9:55:46 AM PDT by Frapster
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To: Dimensio
I think that arguments in favour of adult-child sex are easily demolished on their own.

But they're not. You've already noted some of them, even if you "don't buy them." Note that "demolition of arguments" requires you first to engage yourself in what amounts to a reasoned debate with pedophiles.

If some judge ruled solely on the basis of the arguments, you'd lose the general argument on the grounds of "informed consent," and also historical and cultural precedent. You would be reduced to arguing whether this or that child was capable of informed consent, and perhaps what protections must be afforded to children who are adjudged to be capable.

But of course, there's more to it than reasoned argument: it's wrong, and we both know it. Pedophiles are monsters who deserve to be severely punished.

Next we get to child pornography. Once again we're faced with the informed consent problem, and now must contend also with questions of "artistic merit;" whether it's really porn; and whether it's merely a "thought crime" (and thus supposedly unprosecutable) to be viewing and getting off on it.

But once again, we both know it's wrong -- for the same reason pedophilia is wrong: because it is wrong to view a child as an object of sexual desire.

35 posted on 08/09/2002 10:06:39 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Dimensio
Both questions are answered with a simple...BOTH are deviant behavior and both are to be reviled by God fearing folks.

Homosexuals are deviants, they engage in a behavior that is dangerous to their health, dangerous to the morally accepted social standards and have been known to be dangerous to the unsuspecting and weak "recruits" and victims.

Pedophilia is another form of deviancy that has "victims" that later become recruits...and then later recruiters...

36 posted on 08/09/2002 10:09:49 AM PDT by antivenom
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To: Defiant

The Americans charged include: Lloyd Alan Emmerson of Fresno County, Calif.; Paul Whitmore and Brooke Rowland, San Diego County,

I believe that Brooke Rowland was the San Diego guy arrested earlier

37 posted on 08/09/2002 10:11:00 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: r9etb
But of course, there's more to it than reasoned argument: it's wrong, and we both know it.

I've never liked that kind of "reasoning". I've found it completely unsatisfying, because it's appealing to nothing. I always like to ask "why is it wrong?", because I figure that if something is wrong, it's for valid reasons rather than just some arbitrary standard that someone created. In the case of adult-child sexual contact, I can think of a number of reasons (not the least of which is "informed consent"). Historical and cultural precedent doesn't amount to anything either, as using norms of the past to decide that an action is right or wrong is no less arbitrary than just saying "it's wrong because it's wrong"; it's appeal to tradition. Murder has commonly been considered unacceptable in the past while slavery was commonly considered acceptable. Arguments for rightness or wrongness should be based on more than "it's always been like that" or "ignorant people used to do that, but we've advanced since then".
38 posted on 08/09/2002 10:11:52 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: NYer; stalin
The foreigners were identified as Eggert Jensen and Bente Jensen of Denmark; Jean-Michael Frances Cattin, Marcel Egli and Peter Althaus of Switzerland; and Dirk-Jan Prins of the Netherlands.

Yep, things are soooooo much better in those free and easy nations that practice democratic socialism and "enlightened" sexual mores..../sarcasm off.

Expect the liberal intelligentsia over here to adopt this pro pedophilia stance with increasing frequency. They slavishly follow any degenerate Eurotrash trend within a few years.

39 posted on 08/09/2002 10:12:52 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Dimensio

Why is adult-child sex wrong? I'm speaking of children <12 and adults >18 (not that I think that sex with a fourteen-year old is "acceptable" by any means, but I'm trying to stay within the context of these arrests, which I assume involved very young children).

Why is homosexuality wrong? Be specific, don't offer what "some" or "many" homosexuals do. Explain exactly why two people of the same gender engaging in sexual activity of any kind is "wrong" no matter the circumstances.

I should hope that your answers are significantly different.

Umm... be specific - explain exactly why two people of any age or gender engaging in sexual activity of any kind is "wrong" no matter the circumstances? I'll drop my own personal convictions, play the devil's advocate here and say that as long as there's 'informed consent' then there's nothing wrong with it.

40 posted on 08/09/2002 10:17:49 AM PDT by Frapster
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