Remember Ruby Ridge: Ten years later, there are still important lessons.

National Review Online ^ | August 21, 2002 | Timothy Lynch

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I can't read the whole thing. It still is so infuriating. Randy seems to have been bought off, too. He won't say anything about the BATF anymore.

[Johnny Shear]

WHACKED-OUT government hating KOOK alert!!!

[steve50]

The solicitor general told the judicial panel that even if the evidence supported the charges, the case should be thrown out because "federal law enforcement agents are privileged to do what would otherwise be unlawful if done by a private citizen."

Pretty much sums up the opinion of our government on many issues.

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

The "solicitor general" told the judicial panel that even if the evidence supported the charges, the case should be thrown out because "federal law enforcement agents are privileged to do what would otherwise be unlawful if done by a private citizen."

Guys, The top court lawyer of federal godgov, actually argues in court that citizens of the U.S. of A. are NOT guaranteed "equal Protection under the law", as is guaranteed in Amendment 14, section one, last sentence. Incompetence????? I think{?} NOT!!! Peace and love, George.

[TigersEye]

WHACKED-OUT government hating KOOK alert!!!

Nothing of substance to add here either?

[donozark]

I met R. Weaver a couple years ago. Along with his new wife. I think he wants to put the past behind him. Who could blame him after losing half his family? His book offered some details I was not aware of. A couple of rather grim ones...

[Carry_Okie]

WHACKED-OUT government hating KOOK alert!!!

Indeed, and if you want to join us I suggest you read our official KOOK document. It is full of insidious language and revolutionary words that actually assert the preposterous idea that the government exists by the consent of the people. You know, words like "unalienable rights," "liberty," "due process," "unreasonable search and seizure," and "limited government." It's called the Constitution of the United States of America.

I suggest that you read it.

[TigersEye]

That would defy his code of self imposed ignorance.

[dd5339]

Personally your the one who is whacked out. We all need to remember this and understand what the government and the alphabet soup agencies are capable of.

Semper Fi!

[archy]

Guys, The top court lawyer of federal godgov, actually argues in court that citizens of the U.S. of A. are NOT guaranteed "equal Protection under the law", as is guaranteed in Amendment 14, section one, last sentence. Incompetence????? I think{?} NOT!!!

Peace and love, George.

No worries, mate.

Turn about is fair play

[backhoe]

Return to Ruby Ridge-- SNAFU? Or Summary Execution?

[jjm2111]

Weaver may have been a kook, but it gave the feds no right to shoot his wife in the head. Me thinks you're a disruptor.

[Lloyd227]

"WHACKED-OUT government hating KOOK alert!!!"

Run along Johnny. I'm sure your government needs your services elsewhere.

[archy]

WHACKED-OUT government hating KOOK alert!!!

And too, those of us in the military loyal to our oaths to support the Constitution of the United States, not the government when it becomes one of the enemies of that constitution.

But we're already on the alert....

-archy-/-

[cebadams]

Good read and important post. Bet this won't make the nightly news casts.

[Johnny Shear]

Weaver may have been a kook, but it gave the feds no right to shoot his wife in the head. Me thinks you're a disruptor.

I'll try to reply to your about me in a sane fassion....Simply because my comment was inflamatory. But, it's my honest opinion, just so you know.....

I let a LOT of this Ruby Ridge and Waco stuff pass simply because this is not my site. But, every once in a while I voice my opinion....

I am no disruptor....I have voted straight ticket Republican for 20 years and I don't see that ever changing. I am just tired of being associated with what I call "Whacked-Out Kooks". Or, anyone who supports the likes of the FREAKS at Waco (David Koresh and his Jim Jones Kool-Aid Drinking Death Cult Members) and Ruby Ridge.

I truely believe that if the dead people in these cases (Or in this case Randy Weaver) would have NOT been "Whacked-Out Kooks", they would be alive today. Therefore, it is THEIR fault that things turned-out badly for them. NOT the big bad mean government.

And believe me....Any "Disruptor" WOULDN'T come here and bash Weaver and Koresh fans. Simply becuse those kind of people both embarrass and hurt Republicans/Conservatives. Just like supporters of Cynthia McKinney hurt Democrats/Liberals because of their EXTREME views.

I hold these WHACKED-OUT KOOOKS in the same contempt that I do Cynthia McKinney. I am a Republican (More of a Republican than a Conservative, to be honest) and I am TIRED of being grouped with these people so once in a while, I speak up. There you have it.....Believe me or not....

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

Let's not forget what was the firearm charge that led to this mess.

The feds wanted Weaver to go undercover and get dirt on the Aryan Nations folks (he attended a barbecue one time with the Aryan Nations folks and didn't like them and never had anything to do with them again) so they came to him and asked him to saw off their shotgun to a less than legal length.

He was in financial straights and having trouble feeding his family. After first saying no they kept up the pressure and he relented; sort of.

He sawed off the shotgun but not below the legal length (or so he thought). The govt./prosecutors have a different defenition of length than the avg. person. They open the top break on the shotgun and and now that the shotgun is shaped like this ^ they measure from the butt to the end of the barrel.

The distance is now shorter and illegal.

That is how they got him on a weapons charge.

They immediately start pushing for him to go undercover and he refuses.

They charge him and a court date is set. (this is where my memory gets a little grey) I believe his court date was changed (moved up) and when he didn't find out he of course didn't show up.

That's how you go from having a hungry family in the woods to having snipers shoot your wife in the face and facing the death penalty.