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Philippines - Two Jehovah's Witnesses hostages decapitated by Abu Sayyaf
AFP via Babelfish translation ^ | August 21, 2002

Posted on 08/21/2002 5:54:16 PM PDT by HAL9000

An hostage decapitated in the south of the Philippines

Wednesday August 21, 2002 - 23h40 GMT

ZAMBOANGA (the Philippines), August 22 (AFP) - One of the six Christian hostages Filipinos removed by supposed islamists of the group Abu Sayaf in the south of the Philippines Wednesday was decapitated by its kidnappers, one learned military Thursday of source.

The head of the hostage was found Wednesday evening near the headquarters of the army, in the capital of the island of Jolo, one specified of the same source.


A second hostage decapitated in the south of the Philippines

Thursday August 22, 2002 - 0h20 GMT

ZAMBOANGA (the Philippines), August 22 (AFP) - a second hostage among the six Christians Filipinos removed by supposed islamists of the group Abu Sayaf in the south of the Philippines Wednesday was decapitated by his kidnappers, one learned military Thursday of source.

The second head was found, packed in a plastic bag, close to the market of the capital of the island of Jolo, while the first head had been discovered near the headquarters of the army, according to the General Romeo Tolentino.

"Those which do not believe in Allah will undergo the same fate", said a note found close to one of the two heads, specified the Tolentino General.

Six Witnesses of Jéhovah, agents sales in beauty products, had been kidnapped Tuesday in the town of Patikul on the island of Jolo, one of the strongholds of Abu Sayyaf.

The removal was carried out by the men of the gang directed by a local head, Moin Sahiron, nephew of Radulan Sahiron, a veteran of the separatist wars in the Moslem south of the archipelago.

The group Abu Sayyaf, whose last taking of hostages goes back to last October, is specialized in the taking of hostages in order to obtain ransoms.

Jolo is one of the strongholds of Abu Sayyaf which had taken to last year three Americans as hostages. One was released in June and two died. The island was not the target of the American intervention which was completed at the end of July and concentrated on Basilan.

Three Indonésiens kidnapped in June are also held by other Moslem separatists reconverted into the banditism on Jolo.



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To: TLBSHOW
Islam is the enemy a false religion and very cult like.

Well, from my point of view, all religions are equally false. But why do you say Islam is a cult? Isn't the definition of a cult a religion you don't approve of? Sort of like "freedom fighters" are terrorists you do approve of.

There is one God and its not Islams false God!

Hmm... Should we declare war on India? 200 million Indians are Islamic, and most of the rest believe in a great plethora of gods (all of whom, presumably, you would consider false).

81 posted on 08/21/2002 9:08:26 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
Simple really, define the enemy (islam) and then destroy it.
82 posted on 08/21/2002 9:13:59 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: HAL9000
supposed islamists of the group Abu Sayaf

Now what is that supposed to mean? The Abu Sayyaf are nothing more than a gang of thugs who like kidnapping for ransom and decapitation. It's a pity they've survived.

83 posted on 08/21/2002 9:15:48 PM PDT by altair
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To: OldFriend
But it was just last night James Carvile was saying how much he loved the muslims.

Well, off with his head then.

>just kidding<

84 posted on 08/21/2002 9:17:57 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: TLBSHOW
Simple really, define the enemy (islam) and then destroy it.

Thank you. You rephrased your previous sentence admirably. Now please tell me how you'd go about "destroying" Islam.

85 posted on 08/21/2002 9:24:56 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: altair
Now what is that supposed to mean? The Abu Sayyaf are nothing more than a gang of thugs who like kidnapping for ransom and decapitation. It's a pity they've survived.

Which is exactly why they're notIslamists. While they are Muslim, there goal is simply to make money through piracy, kidnapping and other nasty stuff. It isn't to advance Islam or defeat Christianity or anything of any wider sort. They have no political agenda. They need to be destroyed, but in this case, their religion is purely coincidental.

86 posted on 08/21/2002 9:27:34 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: Dawgs of War
Mind your manners, son.
87 posted on 08/21/2002 9:30:41 PM PDT by Militiaman7
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To: templar
While we have the cult of Hollywood that persecutes Christians and leaves Islam alone.
88 posted on 08/21/2002 9:31:57 PM PDT by oyez
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To: oyez
While we have the cult of Hollywood that persecutes Christians and leaves Islam alone.

The NAACP and ADL should hang their heads in shame, because nobody, not nobody, has a persecution complex like you fundies have a persecution complex.

89 posted on 08/21/2002 9:45:52 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
I would subdivide the problem (islam) up front and then I would attack it in small parts and pieces to win.

There can be a bunch of parts attacked at the same time this way.

90 posted on 08/21/2002 9:54:55 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
I would subdivide the problem (islam) up front and then I would attack it in small parts and pieces to win. There can be a bunch of parts attacked at the same time this way.

Um, ok. Now stop trolling and actually give a substantive answer this time. How would you "destroy" Islam?

91 posted on 08/21/2002 10:02:13 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
the only troll is you here tonight and the answer I gave in post 90 you should of understood and would not of needed to look the fool and ask again. LOL

is this really your profile? What is up with that Andy?

andy_card signed up 2002-07-12.


Location: McLean

Why are you looking at my profile? I'm just another fiercely anti-ideological pragmatic neo-conservative atheist. I welcome all hate freepmail.




92 posted on 08/21/2002 10:08:31 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: andy_card
Which is exactly why they're notIslamists.

Agreed. They are also not separatists like certain other Islamic groups in that area.

93 posted on 08/21/2002 10:19:12 PM PDT by altair
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To: TLBSHOW
I'm trying to contain my laughter. This is almost a textbook case of how not to conduct a debate.

If I recall correctly, first, you talked about fighting a war on Islam. So I asked you how you intended to do that. You said you meant to destroy Islam. So I asked you again how you intended to do that. So you said you would destroy each section of Islam in turn. So I asked you again how you intended to do that. Now you're attacking me.

Am I the only one here going "Huh?" If you have some secret plan that would "destroy" the second largest religion in the world, I'd be interested in hearing it. Otherwise, you're just trolling.

94 posted on 08/21/2002 10:22:38 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: TLBSHOW
But he's correct. The Abu Sayyaf are neither religious nor political. They're thugs who kidnap for a living and enjoy decapitation on the side. Back when the Burnhams were first kidnapped I posted an article here detailing how they use decapitation as a rite of initiation to the gang.
95 posted on 08/21/2002 10:24:27 PM PDT by altair
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To: altair
So when they did it to danny pearl that was just thugs too?
96 posted on 08/21/2002 10:28:28 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: andy_card
Who you calling a fundie? You just came over her to boost your adrenalin. I won't contribute to your fun. G'nite.
97 posted on 08/21/2002 10:32:11 PM PDT by oyez
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To: Billthedrill; Travis McGee; Grampa Dave; harpseal; AAABEST; pocat; SLB
I think we have a quote of the day winner here .........:o)

LMAO !! Stay Safe Bill !

98 posted on 08/21/2002 10:43:10 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: andy_card
"If the beheaded Jehovah's Witnesses had only accepted blood transfusions, they would surely have recovered.

Easy to joke with the hopes, dreams and faith of another's life, isn't it?

99 posted on 08/21/2002 10:44:30 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Utopia
Turkey is a SECULAR nation by law, where most of the citizens practice a mild form of Islam.

Go get yourself an education, then come back, or lurk a while before showing your ignorance.

100 posted on 08/21/2002 10:50:32 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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