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Augusta National Slammed as "Secret Golf Club”
NewsMax ^ | 9/27/02 | Limbacher

Posted on 09/27/2002 11:55:43 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: groanup
Cool down, groanup. This is a civilized, sometimes humorous discussion. No one is making any claims to having inside knowledge about Augusta National. On the contrary, if you have been paying attention, it has been stated more than once that because Augusta is a private club they will not reveal their membership rules, except in cautious, guarded statements.

How Augusta administers their club or collects membership assessments is of no interest to me nor does it have anything to do with the topic under discussion.

61 posted on 09/27/2002 1:25:01 PM PDT by Orual
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To: Orual
Written rule or no, the evidence that they don't want women in Augusta is clear and convincing.

You seem to be getting away from your original statement:

    There is a rule that prohibits women as members, but they can play the course.

Now they may very well not want women to be members, but it seems rather clear that there is no RULE to that effect.

62 posted on 09/27/2002 1:25:28 PM PDT by TomB
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To: groanup
Name one woman member of the Dallas Cowboy's starting lineup.

Do they play at Augusta? Those cleats must be tough on the greens.

63 posted on 09/27/2002 1:26:50 PM PDT by Orual
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"USA Today actually refers to Augusta National as "golf's secret society,” and goes on to list the membership as composed of "Statesmen and politicians. Several of Augusta's members have spent half their lives in the public arena. But when it comes to their membership, they say little."

I guuess these idiots think that these people should lay out the reasons for all their memberships and social contacts. How about video and book rentals.

64 posted on 09/27/2002 1:27:16 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Orual
"No one is making any claims to having inside knowledge about Augusta National."

You most certainly are making such a claim. So am I.

65 posted on 09/27/2002 1:27:32 PM PDT by groanup
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To: TomB
Now you are nitpicking. I previously stated that women could play the course, but I have made it crystal clear that when I say that the membership don't want women at Augusta, I mean as members, in the locker rooms and such.
66 posted on 09/27/2002 1:28:44 PM PDT by Orual
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To: Orual
"Name one woman member of the Dallas Cowboy's starting lineup. Do they play at Augusta? Those cleats must be tough on the greens."

The point is Orual, old boy, the Cowboys don't have any females on the team but they also don't have an exclusionary policy.

67 posted on 09/27/2002 1:29:58 PM PDT by groanup
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
an old boys club

Tired of listening to feminist tell them what they should do in their PRIVATE LIVES...

Of course it was Bill Clinton's "private life" in the oval office but the MEMBERS of this PRIVATE club need some *itch sticking her nose in THEIR PRIVATE BUSINESS. Go open your own PRIVATE club, Martha.

I'm sure that would be a hoot!

68 posted on 09/27/2002 1:32:15 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: groanup
You most certainly are making such a claim. So am I.

Well, I will repeat, I make no claim to any inside knowledge concerning how Augusta runs its club. Since you do make that claim, I guess that's where you came up with the stunning revelation about assessments and dues and football teams that play on the course.

69 posted on 09/27/2002 1:32:49 PM PDT by Orual
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Martha Burk
Chair
National Council of Women's Organization (NCWO)
202-393-7122

Areas of Expertise: Enhancing International Reproductive Health and Family Planning, Educating Girls, Advancing Women's Human Rights, Improving Women's Economic Status

70 posted on 09/27/2002 1:32:49 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: groanup
The point is Orual, old boy, the Cowboys don't have any females on the team but they also don't have an exclusionary policy.

Then why don't they have women on their team? There absolutely must be an exclusionary policy. I think it has something to do with the intimacy between the quarterback and the center and team members patting each other's behinds.

71 posted on 09/27/2002 1:36:31 PM PDT by Orual
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To: kcvl
Would have been interesting to have women in the fraternity.
72 posted on 09/27/2002 1:39:49 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Orual
Area women respect all-male golf clubs

Web posted Sunday, September 22, 2002


by David Westin
Staff Writer

Martha Burk doesn't have many allies among the area's female golfers.

An informal survey at last week's CSRA Women's Golf Association 54-hole Championship found few players on the side of Burk, who is pressuring the all-male Augusta National Golf Club to admit a woman as a member.

Cathy McKie, a three-time winner of the CSRA Women's Golf Association event, opposes Burk and said that was the consensus among women she's talked to about the issue.

Burk, the chairwoman of the National Council of Women's Organizations, has pushed her cause since early summer, when she requested a meeting with Augusta National and Masters Tournament chairman Hootie Johnson to discuss adding a woman to the membership roll.




73 posted on 09/27/2002 1:40:38 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Orual
"I guess that's where you came up with the stunning revelation about assessments and dues and football teams that play on the course."

The football team playing on the course was your idea.

74 posted on 09/27/2002 1:40:42 PM PDT by groanup
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To: groanup
The football team playing on the course was your idea.

It was a joke, and the only way to handle your question about the Cowboys since it really didn't deserve a serious reply.

75 posted on 09/27/2002 1:43:43 PM PDT by Orual
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Women's group fails to realize Augusta answers to no one

September 5, 2002

It's clear by now that Martha Burk had no idea whom she was up against.

The head of the National Council of Women's Organizations has made adding female members at Augusta National her cause celebre , but she--and many in the national media--have shown an astonishing lack of understanding of the club, the Masters and the sport.

Unlike a PGA Tour or USGA event, the Masters and Augusta National are beholden to no one. Club chairman Hootie Johnson showed that last week by canceling the contracts with the tournament's few sponsors.

Now Burk plans to target the television partners. A club spokesman said Wed-nesday that CBS and USA remain firmly on board, but even if that were to change, there's nothing to stop Johnson from airing the Masters as a pay-per-view event or eliminating TV coverage completely.

Johnson certainly is not blameless in this increasingly and unnecessarily ugly battle. Is Augusta National behind the times in having an all-male membership? Absolutely. Did Johnson make a tactical public-relations error by responding to Burk's initial private letter with an angry press release? No question.

But what so many people fail to understand is that public opinion has no effect on Johnson and the Augusta National membership. Besides, Burk's words and actions since Johnson's press release have justified his response.

The first sign of Burk's naivete was her laughable suggestion that the Masters be played at another course. The Masters is an invitational tournament conducted solely by Augusta National, not the PGA Tour, which has no influence on the club. It's no different at its core than Pine Valley's Crump Cup or Seminole's Coleman Invitational, elite amateur events held at prestigious clubs with all-male memberships.

Yes, Augusta National makes scads of money on the Masters, but the club would survive just fine without sponsorship and television revenue. And don't think the best players in the world would stop coming, even if the tournament wasn't televised and the purse was decreased. Slipping on a green jacket means more than prize money to everyone in the Masters field, many of whom are millionaires several times over.

Speaking of millionaires, the biggest question about Burk's crusade is this: Whom is she trying to help? Sure, equality is a principle worth fighting for, but when Augusta National does admit female members--an inevitability, though this campaign surely has slowed the process--the beneficiaries will be a handful of wealthy corporate executives and dignitaries. Making the world safe for Sandra Day O'Connor or a $5 million-a-year female CEO to join an exclusive club is hardly the noblest women's cause, even in golf.

In fact, another falsehood frequently repeated in the media is that women cannot play at Augusta National. There are no tee-time restrictions for spouses or female guests, unlike at Pine Valley--the country's top-rated course, where women can play only on Sundays--or many other all-male clubs such as Old Elm in Highland Park and Black Sheep in Sugar Grove, where women aren't allowed on the property.

Even Johnson, a self-described liberal, wouldn't call Augusta National a progressive institution, but the depiction of the membership as a fraternity of narrow-minded Cro-Magnons is equally inaccurate. The fact is, there will be female members at Augusta National, but not on anyone else's timetable. And golf fans will continue to revere the Masters as the best event in sports long after the name of Martha Burk has faded from memory.

76 posted on 09/27/2002 1:43:58 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
Does Martha REALLY think she is making headway for women when she goes on the warpath with Augusta? She is delusional if she thinks so. She *could* spend her time productively by championing causes that "improve women's economic status" ... but no. I see common sense is not listed on her "areas of expertise." Figures.
77 posted on 09/27/2002 1:46:28 PM PDT by kemathen7
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To: kcvl
When the story first broke, I believe I read that a few, but a very few, LPGA players supported Augusta's policies. I think most have adopted a wait-and-see attitude.
78 posted on 09/27/2002 1:48:07 PM PDT by Orual
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"We'll ask them for on-the-record statements reconciling their corporate policies with their memberships in Augusta," Burk told the paper.

When she says "we'll ask them for" what she really means is "we'll demand", because that's what this has been from the beginning; a Gestapo-style pogrom, and a polite refusal to answer will not be accepted.

Notice too, how this woman tries to establish a non-existant link, between the policies of the corporations to which these people belong-which are legally irreproachable-and the way in which these men spend their leisure time. There is also absolutely no legal issue with the National, for that matter.

I can just see the letter to Coca-Cola. "OK Coca-Cola. Did you know that your very distinguished board member Sam Nunn spends his spare time .....(gasp)....golfing.....(gasp)......with other MEN??!! I mean a group of men. Alone. With no women!!" (Loud shreeking)

79 posted on 09/27/2002 1:48:29 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
For Martha Burk, A Long Drive To Open Augusta National
By BOB DART / Cox Washington Bureau
09-15-02


WASHINGTON -- Growing up in Tyler, Texas, five decades ago, Martha Burk wanted to be a cheerleader.

"There were no organized sports for girls," she recalled. "I think all little girls wanted to be cheerleaders in those days because it was one of the few things we could do.

"My opinion has changed over the years, as you might imagine," she added with a smile. "I want to see girls doing sports, not cheering boys on who are doing sports."

As head of the National Council of Women's Organizations, Martha Burk has made enough noise lately to shake up the sports world.

Her highly publicized efforts to prod the all-male Augusta National Golf Club to accept women members has created an unwelcome buzz about the Masters, the most famous of tournaments. Hootie Johnson, chairman of Augusta National, relinquished any sponsorship of the 2003 Masters rather than subject the sponsors - Coca-Cola, Citigroup and IBM - to feminist pressure.

Now the controversy threatens to engulf CBS, which broadcasts the Masters, and the Fortune 500 corporations whose chairmen compose much of the membership of the secretive, prestigious golf club that hosts the tournament.

"Our next step is to contact CBS," said Burk. "We will point out to them. . .that we think that their consumers and their stockholders and their employees will applaud a move not to underwrite discrimination, even indirectly."

And she will widen the focus on what she terms "a basic issue of discrimination" by Augusta National.

"I know many CEOs of America's largest corporations are members," she said. "We will certainly be asking those individuals for an explanation of who underwrites the membership. Are the stockholders paying for it?"

Is this blackmail?

"Absolutely not," Burk said in an interview this past week. "This is the power of the marketplace."

Burk's group, the NCWO, is composed of more than one hundred women's organizations representing more than 6 million members. Its member institutions are mostly liberal - including Planned Parenthood, the National Association for Woman (NOW) and the Fund for a Feminist Majority.

A mother of two sons - who live in Texas and play golf recreationally - and a grandmother, the graying, 60-year-old Burk rejects any stereotyping.

"The media portrays feminists as either airheads who really just want to get a man or as militant man-haters," she said. "I am neither."

Indeed, she was once a homemaker in Arlington, Texas.

"Oh yes, I was a soccer mom. I was a regular housewife type person for a long time," she said.

But, during the 1970s, she was also working on a doctorate in psychology at the University of Texas at Arlington and becoming increasingly active in the feminist movement.

"I was involved in a program for women who had degrees who were underemployed or out of the workforce - to get jobs relevant to their degrees," she said. "I became aware of difficulty women were having at that time."

She experienced job bias herself.

"The first interview I went for after I got my Ph.D., I was asked to take a typing test," she recalled. She enlisted in the women's movement, becoming a leader in NOW. After a divorce, she married Ralph Estes, former president of the Texas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. Together, they moved to Washington in 1990 and founded the Center for Advancement of Public Policy before Burk joined the NCWO.

An activist for decades, Burk is a bit surprised by the outcry that has arisen about the Masters. Her mother was an avid golfer, she said, but she has rarely played. The controversy began with a private letter that she wrote to Hootie Johnson asking Augusta National to "open your membership to women now, so that this is not an issue when the tournament is staged next year."

In reply, she said, "I expected a private 'We're working on it' type letter."

She said she thought her letter would help the efforts of members of the club who were working on the issue from the inside. Instead, she said, Johnson "went ballistic" and cut loose the sponsors.

While most feminist groups and many golfers have supported Burk's efforts, there are also detractors.

"The main reason they're doing this is to garner publicity for themselves," said Christine Stolba, senior fellow for the conservative Independent Women's Forum. "This is not an issue of great concern to most American women."

"Augusta National is a private organization and has every right to make its own determination about members," said Stolba. She said Burk's "strange form of extortion" may have backfired on the quiet movement inside Augusta National to admit women members.

"The misguided efforts of Martha Burk and her organization might have thwarted progress already achieved," said Stolba.

There are more pressing gender issues in golf than Hootie Johnson and the Augusta National members, asserts Melanie Hauser, a veteran sportswriter and collaborator on Ben Crenshaw's autobiography "A Feel for the Game."

Women can and do play the Augusta National course as wives and guests of members, she said. That is not the case at all-male golf clubs such as Lochinvar in Houston or Preston Trail in Dallas, said Hauser, an online columnist for GolfWeb and PGATOUR.com.

"There are more important things out there in the golf community" for feminists to tackle, said Hauser. She cited the weak women's junior golf programs.

"I don't know if having one female member at Augusta National is going to help with the fact that we're just not producing many good young female golfers in this country," said Hauser.

Burk said the criticism that her group is taking on a minor feminist cause instead of major ones is not valid.

"We do talk about the women in Afghanistan and many other issues," she said.

It's just that the Masters fight has created such a surprising stir.

"I had no idea that some people are so passionate about golf," she said. "I'm getting crank calls in the middle of the night - people you can tell who have had a few too many telling me where I should go with this cause."

On the other hand, she said, the issue is "resonating with women who are not golfers. It reminds them of things like the glass ceiling and pay gap."

"It is a business issue," she explained. "Any time that you can spend four hours with a client on the golf course and I can't and I've got to wait outside the gate and say 'Hey, can I talk to you now,' that's an issue.. . .

"It's emblematic of the way women are being left out and unfortunately it's emblematic of the way women are still treated in golf."

80 posted on 09/27/2002 1:49:55 PM PDT by kcvl
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