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MSNBC Breaking-House Democrats Privately Calling for Minority Leader Gephardt to Step Down
MSNBC ^ | October 5, 2002 | Alex Witt

Posted on 10/05/2002 9:30:38 AM PDT by tip of the sword

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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
exactly!
81 posted on 10/05/2002 11:14:02 AM PDT by breakem
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To: ladyinred
OMG! The Socialist wing of the DNC is getting way out of hand! This is getting more and more dangerous to our Republic, our freedoms, and our security!

Actually, the more the socialist-limp wristed-bedwetting-anti-war-homosexual loving-anti family-pro abortion-leftist wing of the democrat party acts up ---- the more I like it. It ends up exposing the *true* democRAT party agenda for all America to see --- and reject on voting day.

82 posted on 10/05/2002 11:15:09 AM PDT by usconservative
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To: shadowman99
One more facelift and she will have a beard!!!

Are you saying that dimple in her chin is actually her belly button at the moment? :^)

83 posted on 10/05/2002 11:19:12 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: XJarhead
In other words, those Dems are mad at Gephardt because he didn't politicize this issue. He went with his conscience -- what he believed to be the right thing to do -- and they're mad at him because it will hurt them politically. And this is the issue they're screaming should not be politicized. Unbelievable. "You have to be the "loyal opposition" whether or not you actually oppose him. That's just amazing.

This is what one observes in politicians when their core value is selfishness.

84 posted on 10/05/2002 11:19:28 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: CIB-173RDABN
"This is getting so old. If you do not understand the restraints President Bush is working under, then there is no point in discussing this with you.

But one last time, if President Bush went after the Clintons in a way that would have made us all happy, he would have been destroyed by the Democrats and their friends in the media. How many times in the past two years has there been a major assault against President Bush.

One of the things that protects him is that the media has not been able to paint him as a evil man, the truth is, most Americans trust him.

Look what the Media has done with other's in the Republican party when they attempted to point out the corruption of the left.

I firmly believe that the President and his staff came into office knowing they were going to face this type of attack and have found a way to deflect it.

If I was playing chess, I would not exchange any of my pieces just to get Clinton. The man is so corrupt that in time he will do him self in.

As it is, by being nice, we are within a few days of having the House, and Senate under Republican control.

But fine, if you do not like the way the President has performed his duties, don't vote for him. Now that is not hard is it."

I hope you don't mind. I endorse your position, and it needs to be said again... and again... and again... and ...

85 posted on 10/05/2002 11:22:47 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: XJarhead
"In other words, those Dems are mad at Gephardt because he didn't politicize this issue."

Ain't life grand!

86 posted on 10/05/2002 11:24:40 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: tip of the sword
Any Demonrats who put the UN ahead of the USA are

UNamericans!


87 posted on 10/05/2002 11:26:22 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Pretty amazing how far the rats will go to stop this war.

I like your statement, but your original premise is wrong. The Democrats are not opposing Bush to stop the war, as evidenced by their contrary position in 1998.

THEY ARE OPPOSING THE WAR BECAUSE THEY OPPOSE BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS!!!

88 posted on 10/05/2002 11:27:12 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Burlem
Use img src instead of a href!!!!! No "a's" are needed.
89 posted on 10/05/2002 11:29:01 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Gephart makes too much sense, so off with his head. Good summary. Points out how much power the loonies have gained in the democrat party, and how far they have fallen since the 60's. They try to take out their leader, who is fairly moderate by today's standards. Who will replace Pelosi as WIP? Barbara Lee? LOL!
90 posted on 10/05/2002 11:33:28 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
"The most common political death is with a whimper."

Well put. Even now, BillyBoy a) is largely relegated to foreign venues because America (except Party hacks) have little interest and b), he must become increasingly outrageous in order to sustain media attention.
This is what ultimately will render him an object of universal derision and scorn.

BillyBoy will become like an aging coquette, who retains all of her flaws but none of her charms.
91 posted on 10/05/2002 11:35:27 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
You don't know that he HASN'T investigated them. We know there haven't been indictments.

Let us assume, that after the 2000 election, that he had done what you suggest. Remember, the Senate was split evenly, until Jeffords jumped, and the House had a slim margin. The popular vote was tilted to Gore, and approval ratings for the President were just a tad over 50%.

Also, remember that all indictments would have to take place in Washington, D.C., which is totally full of Clinton fans.

IF you found evidence, do you think you could get an indictment in DC under those conditions? And if by some miracle you got an indictment, do you honestly think you could get a conviction? Keep in mind a lot of people hadn't made up their minds about President Bush, and the media was poised to pounce on anything he did which looked like an attack on Clinton (remember how the media kept trying to get him to make a statement on the WH vandalism).

Under these conditions, Clinton would either not have been indicted, or would have been indicted but not convicted. Meanwhile Clinton's popularity would have continued, the media would have talked about nothing but the trial, and nothing (like tax cuts) would have gone through Congress. And when September 11 came, as it was going to anyway, he would not have had the trust of the people, nor the full backing of Congress.

Sometimes you need to look past the immediate gratification to the long-term consequences. Clinton has been gradually marginalized, although I grant he is still a threat. However, a lot more people know about his poor record on terrorism than would have known under your scenario.

By the way, I haven't even factored in how many seats we would have lost in the House and Senate with your plan.

I am glad President Bush has held his fire in this situation. He is far wiser than many people credit.

92 posted on 10/05/2002 11:37:04 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: rintense
. For some reason, The leftist Dems have forgotten they are working in the best interest of their constituents- not themselves.

For some reason???

The Democrats have always placed their party above the interests of the country. Their modus operendi goes back to the anti-federalist (i.e., anti-Constitution) days of Tammany Hall and the founding of the country.

93 posted on 10/05/2002 11:38:08 AM PDT by citizenK
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
The Rats are destroying themselves, thats the really neat thing about GWB`s satregery. By not working with him, stupid Tiny Tom has now got a great opportunity to become the minority leader
94 posted on 10/05/2002 11:38:16 AM PDT by bybybill
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To: mhking
More like the continuing meltdown at work. There are continued signs everywhere; from this to the lawsuit here in Georgia seeking to throw out Denise Majette's primary victory and declaring Cynthia McKinney the winner.

Agreed. But it IS a worrisome trend developing wherein the dims take to the courts to force an outcome that they fail to gain by the current rules. The McKinney lawsuit is particularly aggregious, as was the outcome of the Toricelli-Forrester race in NJ.

95 posted on 10/05/2002 11:39:55 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Who will replace Pelosi as WIP? Barbara Lee?

Barney Frank, of course. He could sport a real whip. Good ole Barney Frank could even invite them to dinner and ask them to bring their kids. Imagine the fund raising possibilities.

96 posted on 10/05/2002 11:40:10 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Real Cynic No More
Thank you. I just get so frustrated with those that state because President "Bush did not (fill in the blank) I will never vote for him again." I am begining to wonder if they really understand what the President of the United States does.

The President has at his disposal an amazing amount of power, but is also under a lot of restraints (and rightly so) in view of the fact he could (at his command) destroy a good portion of the world.

I happen to think President Bush is doing a great job considering what he has to work with. I also know he is not going to get done everything I would like see done. Dealing with some disappointments in life is a skill one should have learned as a child, but certainly by time someone is of voting age.

97 posted on 10/05/2002 11:43:21 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: tip of the sword


"We shill for Baba Striesand and we hate it!"

98 posted on 10/05/2002 11:46:07 AM PDT by ChadGore
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To: Cicero
Clinton held them together, because he was a huge fund-raiser and was coated with teflon. But their coalition is basically unstable. The only people they can absolutely rely on now are abortion-lovers and sexual perverts. Even blacks have no inherent reason to support them, although they have been supporting them by a towering 90% in the last few elections, because they have given very little in return for this loyalty. The same with Jews and Catholics.

Excellent observation! I agree completely. Clinton was the key to their solidarity in the 90's, no doubt about it. I recall that, in the 80's, they were fractured and disorganized until Clinton came along and saved them.

It takes a long time for a major political party to disintegrate, and there are still tons of left-wingers at all the levers of power in our country, but we may be seeing the beginning of a shift in power that could wipe out the Democrat party or splinter it into Greens, Abortionists, Black Power advocates, Gay-Lesbians, Marxist Socialists, etc., etc.

The complete self-destruction and dis-integration of the party of evil. Now wouldn't THAT be something to behold in our lifetimes!

99 posted on 10/05/2002 11:47:13 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
I just came from a VFW Auxiliary Picnic in Charleston, WV.

As I talked to the crowd of older Americans, veterans and their wives, one thing became apparent: the Democrats are in a hole, and they are too dumb to stop digging.

Gephardt is one of the few who sees the handwriting on the wall, and is doing what he can to make sure that Joe Sixpack in St. Louis doesn't run him out of town on a rail the next time he visits flyover country.

We are in a perfect position politically to divide and conquer the Democrats on November 5th.

We need to make sure that this occurs..since we do have some GOP leaders who are quite adept at making a sow's ear our of a silk purse.

It's up to all of us to do what it takes for the next month to crush these socialists who are undermining everything good about this country, and who are a danger to our personal and national security.

EV
100 posted on 10/05/2002 11:55:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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