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Beltway Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary-Tuesday, Oct. 15
Fox News, CNN, Press Conferences | October 15, 2002 | Fox News, CNN, Press Conferences

Posted on 10/15/2002 2:17:07 AM PDT by Peach

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A woman was killed with a single gunshot to the head at 9:15 last night at a Fairfax County, Virginia shopping mall and police are treating the crime as likely connected to the Beltway killer. There are differences in this crime because there was no immediate access to a highway. Early reports indicate it may have been in a parking garage. Police have issued a BOLO for a cream colored Astrovan with a missing tail light and a ladder on top.
1 posted on 10/15/2002 2:17:07 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Route66; Peach; Bella; Pete; areafiftyone; brigette; harpseal; Merovingian; Miss Marple; ...
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2 posted on 10/15/2002 2:17:48 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Please stop by and visit at Prayer Thread
3 posted on 10/15/2002 2:27:56 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
i live 4 mi. from this Home Depot. This is my stomping grounds. i had been concerned before, but now i am really worried. i pass this place about 20 times a day. what my husband and i cannot figure out is how they got away quickly! even at night that intersection is fairly busy. This is 2 mi. inside the Beltway, but there are a ton of lights and all kinds of congestion between the Beltway and this intersection in falls church. That is an extremely Latino area of Falls Church, with a large apartment complex directly across Route 50 from the HOme Depot.
4 posted on 10/15/2002 2:29:55 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
You are in my prayers. Be safe.
5 posted on 10/15/2002 2:32:35 AM PDT by Peach
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To: xsmommy
Do you know if the woman was in an enclosed parking garage? CNN was reporting that this morning, but the pictures don't match the reporting.
6 posted on 10/15/2002 2:33:43 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Thanks. my kids school is 2 mi. away from this shooting site. They were already in lockdown for the past 2 weeks, but i imagine that the school is going to be nervous beyond belief now. I think of all of the kids that walk around school to the local public library to do homework. I hope their parents will not let them do that now.
7 posted on 10/15/2002 2:34:37 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Peach
i haven't seen any news coverage yet. My husband just told me about this as the alarm went off this AM. the enclosed parking garage is kind of open air, if she was loading from the home depot, she would have been in the garage area. The exits/entrances all front into that garage area.
8 posted on 10/15/2002 2:36:02 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Peach
Woman Fatally Shot in Head in Va.
Tue Oct 15, 2:07 AM ET

By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer

FALLS CHURCH, Va. (AP) - A woman was shot in the head and killed Monday night as she and her husband loaded packages into their car outside a Home Depot in suburban Washington. Police were investigating whether it was the latest shooting by a sniper already blamed for eight deaths in the past 12 days.

Police swiftly closed down highways in the area, about 10 miles west of the nation's capital, creating massive gridlock as they searched for a van from which the shooter might have fired.

Fairfax County Police Chief Tom Manger said authorities were on the lookout for a cream-colored Chevy Astro van that was missing a left rear tail light and had a silver roof ladder. Virginia State Police said the van was last seen traveling east on Route 50 from Falls Church. Interstates 66 and I-95 are nearby.

Witnesses at some of the earlier shootings also reported seeing a white or cream-colored van or truck.

The woman was felled by a single shot about 9:15 p.m., authorities said. All the other deaths in the sniper spree were also caused by one shot, and two people also were wounded by a single bullet.

The Maryland task force investigating the sniper attacks was conferring with Fairfax County authorities to see if Monday's victim was the sniper's ninth.

"It's too early to tell at this time (if the shooting is linked), however we are working it and investigating it with that potential in mind," Manger said.

The woman was shot in the head as she and her husband loaded packages into their car's trunk, said Ellen Qualls, a spokeswoman for Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner. Someone fired the fatal shot from a van, she said.

"There's some pretty decent eyewitness information that maybe we haven't had in some of the previous shootings," Qualls said.

Immediately after the shooting, the victim's body lay under a sheet 30 yards in front of the store entrance.

Police were still scouring the parking lot for evidence and interviewing witnesses early Tuesday. There were a number of people in the parking lot when the shooting occurred, Manger said.

"More than anything else, I wished I was outside so I could identify this guy," one woman who had been stuck inside the Home Depot as authorities closed it told CNN. "I am used to seeing blood, but this amount of blood shocked me."

The Home Depot is located in the Seven Corners Shopping Center, a 450,000-square-foot strip shopping center with a parking garage.

Monday's killing occurred at one of northern Virginia's busiest intersections, where major arteries come together to form seven corners. Clint Van Zandt, a former FBI (news - web sites) profiler who lives in Fredericksburg, Va., said the location sets the slaying apart from the others.

"This is not bold, this is brazen," he said. "It's a much more highly congested area, even under the cover of darkness."

Kristin Reed, a supervisor at the Barnes & Noble bookstore in the sprawling strip mall, said six employees were locked inside the store for a time with an FBI agent.

"Cops and cops and more cops," Reed said of the scene outside. Shopper Raymond Massas said he "heard one shot. Not very loud, like a snap. After that I heard people start panicking."

Two police helicopters circled the scene as bystanders looked on.

"It hasn't been this frightening since 9/11," said Bob Bakley as he stared across Route 50.

Added Abdel Elkheshisn: "We thought, 'It's in Maryland. It's not here, it's far away."

The sniper had shot 10 people in all in the killing spree that began Oct. 2. On Friday morning, a 53-year-old Philadelphia man was gunned down in Spotsylvania County, Va., as he pumped gas. The killer had gone two straight weekends without an attack.

Earlier Monday, the longest lull yet in the Washington sniper's killing spree brought little relief as jittery residents flooded police with calls upon hearing car backfire, firecrackers or breaking glass.

"Everyone is edgy," said Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose, who is heading the investigation. "People are hearing things that may normally be overlooked."

President Bush (news - web sites) said the "cold-blooded" attacks have made him sick to his stomach. "I weep for those who have lost their loved ones," he said. "The idea of moms taking their kids to school and sheltering them from a potential sniper attack is not the America that I know."

Four police squad cars rushed to a Silver Spring car dealership Monday after the window of a customer's BMW shattered when he closed the door. The man dialed 911, thinking a bullet broke the glass.

"He had no idea what happened — he was just freaked out," said David Earhardt, the dealership's service manager.

"People hear a noise, they're going to call — they want to put an end to this just like we do," said Prince William County, Va., Detective Dennis Mangan, whose department brought in a helicopter to search the woods before determining a reported gunshot was just a car backfiring.

Authorities in Baltimore, meanwhile, seized a white van and found an assault rifle, sniper manual and ammunition similar to the .223 bullets used in attacks that have killed eight people and wounded two others, WBAL-TV reported.

MSNBC reported that a tarot card was found in the van and a sign on the dashboard read "Gihad in America." A tarot card was also found at one of the shootings.

The van's owner was questioned Monday night by police and released with no charges filed.

"At this time, the task force believes this is not related to our sniper incidents," said Louise Marthens, a Montgomery County police spokeswoman.

Profilers said a long break could suggest the sniper was trying to outsmart police and change routine.

"Falling into a pattern is falling into a trap," said Robert K. Ressler, a former FBI profiler who helped investigators track killers such as Jeffrey Dahmer. "People this deep into aberrant behavior aren't just going to hang it up and call it quits."

Many schools in the region remained under lockdown Monday, meaning outdoor recess and physical education classes were canceled, and students were kept indoors all day.

"I'm looking around for every white van I see," said Richard Spears, who was mowing grass at James Monroe High School in Fredericksburg, Va. "It makes you a little leery."

Moose said people can now write as well as call with their tips. He gave an address: P.O. Box 7875, Gaithersburg, Md., 20898-7875.

Federal and local investigators refuse to discuss any details of the manhunt. But they have logged some consistencies: the killer favors suburban gas stations; takes down each victim with a single bullet; and, judging from the tarot card left at one of the shootings, appears to enjoy taunting police. It read: "Dear Policeman, I am God."
9 posted on 10/15/2002 2:38:34 AM PDT by Textide
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To: Textide
Thank you for posting this; lots of info in here.
10 posted on 10/15/2002 2:41:49 AM PDT by Peach
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To: xsmommy
I'm stationed in Japan with the USN now. I used to live in Fairfax. That's the area I bought our Ford minivan. We used to always go to "Mark's Duck House". When our van was serviced, we'd hang out at the Barnes and Noble, or walk to the Vietnamese Mall, with a double stroller. I was due to rotate back to DC this summer...my wife asked me at lunch today to extend in Japan, she's terrified half a world away!! My Brother, also a Marine, lives in Fredericksburg. My Daughter, a college sophmore, spent the summer there, working in the same strip mall, walking to work, where the woman was shot last week. Please "watch your six" and take care. We are 13 hours ahead here and glued to our TV sets...nobody was watching the baseball playoffs or Monday Night Football. Semper Fidelis.
11 posted on 10/15/2002 2:45:09 AM PDT by MCFujiTanker
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To: Peach
local news is citing CBS and AP saying a witness or witnesses saw the shooter exit vehicle and take the shot
12 posted on 10/15/2002 2:51:35 AM PDT by sell_propaganda
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To: MCFujiTanker
I know all of the things of which you speak, the Ford dealer, Mark's Duck House, the Eden Center. This is truly terrifying because as you know that area is SO congested. that is what is so remarkable about this shooting. There is NO easy in/out from that spot. They said there is some decent eye witness testimony this time, that makes sense, since that area is crawling with people. Unless the guy is invisible, even taking by surprise, seems like someone would see SOMETHING!
13 posted on 10/15/2002 2:53:36 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: sell_propaganda
perhaps his brazenness at selecting such a high density area will finally be his undoing. it doesn't surprise me to hear someone saw him do this, considering how crowded that area is, even at 9:15pm. i want this guy fried.
14 posted on 10/15/2002 2:55:24 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: sell_propaganda
Yes, and on some thread I just read (last night's thread regarding another shooting?), police said witness saw an olive skinned man(men?) driving away. Hopefully someone got a license plate number this time.
15 posted on 10/15/2002 2:58:52 AM PDT by Peach
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To: xsmommy
that's what I'm thinking, trying to guess his next move I thought he would have expanded his range but he stayed inside, he may have gotten angry watching tv this weekend
16 posted on 10/15/2002 3:03:05 AM PDT by sell_propaganda
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To: sell_propaganda
i would like to know where the shot came from, and from how far away. i know this area intimately and i am trying to imagine where he was placed and how he got away.
17 posted on 10/15/2002 3:05:13 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Peach
Olive skin has been whitewashed already.
18 posted on 10/15/2002 3:06:18 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: sell_propaganda; xsmommy
local news is citing CBS and AP saying a witness or witnesses saw the shooter exit vehicle and take the shot

sp, it would seem that in Virginia, where the citizens are free to bear arms, that with so many witnesses there ought to have been a chance of one of them carrying and able to either shoot the murderer or shoot out his tires! We all need to be armed and trained and on our toes. That is the only way to save lives in a case like this. I am very much afraid that with more 'gun control' legislation more of this sort of sniper crime will be taking place. When guns are outlawed only outlaws and law enforcement will have guns. There will always be outlaws; there will never be enough law enforcement to protect every indiviual.

xs, I am so sorry for the situation you are in. I had no idea (it never occurred to me) that you are in that area. I have been praying fervently from the first reports of this terrible maniac. I have added you to my list. LOLuv.

19 posted on 10/15/2002 3:08:05 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: xsmommy
how he got away.

No law enforcement on the scene. No armed citizen present.

20 posted on 10/15/2002 3:11:48 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine
If this guy gets taken out by an armed citizen it would be too much for the liberals to bear. They're already privately fuming that this guy has taken the economy away as an election issue, while they shed a fake tear for the cameras.
21 posted on 10/15/2002 3:12:04 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Peach
Until they get the bullet, we won't know if it's connected.

It might be un-related... just another homicide.

MSNBC reported that a van was seized with tarot cards and a sign on the dash that read... “Gihad in America”.

There was also .223 ammo in it. The owner was questioned and released.

How can anyone down there put a sign like that on their dashboard?!

22 posted on 10/15/2002 3:13:48 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: .30Carbine
no, .30, i don't believe that is the case. this is a heavy Latino and Asian gang area. i can't believe no one had a gun over there. i know this area.
23 posted on 10/15/2002 3:14:42 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: .30Carbine
thanks for the prayers!
24 posted on 10/15/2002 3:15:50 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: spycatcher
A sniper like this may be making more Conservatives out of Liberals than we may ever know. It is the Individual's responsibility and right to defend him or herself and his or her loved ones, including neighbors. It is not, has never been, and never could be the role of Government to do so.

Obviously we need the Federal Government to protect our borders, and we need State Government to prosecute criminals according to the Law, but there is no substitute for the Individual's right to self defense. When that right is infringed, free people become terrorized targets.

25 posted on 10/15/2002 3:19:25 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine
there will never be enough law enforcement to protect every indiviual.

It is not law enforcement's job to 'protect every individual'. Their job is to investigate crime and gather evidence for the prosecution of the case.

The sooner more people understand this, the better. Pass the word.

26 posted on 10/15/2002 3:20:19 AM PDT by bankwalker
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To: johnny7
Read about that potential suspect last night with the sign in his van. I'm sure he's being watched carefully. If he's connected in ANY way, he'll perhaps lead them to others involved.
27 posted on 10/15/2002 3:20:54 AM PDT by Peach
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To: spycatcher
New york post is the only paper I have found mentioning the skin color....
From Pravda.ru of all places, a great article on the shootings! It's entitled...The DC Sniper Nest: None Dare Call it Terrorism
http://english.pravda.ru/columnists/2002/10/11/38029.html
28 posted on 10/15/2002 3:23:25 AM PDT by miffmole
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To: Peach
Morning Peach, thanks for pinging.

Heavy dose of prayers bump.

Though I still feel that the Van is a ruse/diversion.

Unless of course someone did see the shooter directly in it.

29 posted on 10/15/2002 3:26:05 AM PDT by Delmarksman
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To: miffmole
good article, it's from Sierra Times orginally.
30 posted on 10/15/2002 3:29:21 AM PDT by NEWSOUTH
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To: Peach
The NYP is describing the potential shooter as olive skinned, wearing blue pants, blue jacket and the vehicle has Virginia plates.
31 posted on 10/15/2002 3:30:27 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
There are differences in this crime because there was no immediate access to a highway.

huh? I thought the strip mall was surrounded by highways. 7 of them in fact.

32 posted on 10/15/2002 3:32:10 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Reporting what was said on CNN early this morning. Have since read there are several highways near the location of the shooting. Have also read on thread from last night that Freepers who know the area well said that the area is "traffic light hell" and hard to believe the shooter chose this area due to heavy traffic at all times of day and night.
33 posted on 10/15/2002 3:34:06 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
In the first conference lst night, police chief Manger was asked about that (olive skin) and he said that that was unreliable info. fwiw
34 posted on 10/15/2002 3:39:24 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Peach
It's not hard to believe if the goal of the shooter is to "get away" rather than "get away fast". There are a dozen choices to head in a dozen directions within a short distance of where the victim was hit.

35 posted on 10/15/2002 3:39:24 AM PDT by NEWSOUTH
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To: Peach
Is there a lot of side and back roads the shooter(if he knows the area well) could have used?
36 posted on 10/15/2002 3:40:36 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: Peach
there was a blurb about another dark-colored auto, another thread cited a burgundy Caprice, they're not sure that the van wasn't in or near the parking lot, it's looking more like a duo -- van heads east on Rt 50 while shooter takes backroads southwest...
37 posted on 10/15/2002 3:45:33 AM PDT by sell_propaganda
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Could be unreliable info; thought it was worth a mention since the NYP and threads and witnesses from last night said the same thing.
38 posted on 10/15/2002 3:46:41 AM PDT by Peach
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To: sell_propaganda
Have seen reports about a dark colored car. Perhaps a diversion and two vehicles are being used?
39 posted on 10/15/2002 3:47:44 AM PDT by Peach
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To: sell_propaganda
Agree on the duo.
40 posted on 10/15/2002 3:49:39 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Peach
Have seen reports about a dark colored car. Perhaps a diversion and two vehicles are being used?

One can only hope that when they close of roads that theya re looking at all vehicles and not just the white van! Seems there has to be a diversionary one!

41 posted on 10/15/2002 3:55:27 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Peach
From Sierra Times - my opinion is that this may actually help.


"Answer: Little or no citizen participation. The police are turning the metro area residents into prisoners of war the moment they arrive on the scene. Here's my suggestion:

Long before the new rave of the "Amber alert" system, every radio station was tapped into to something called the "Emergency Broadcast System" (EBS). This should be utilized for this operation. All metro area residents would be asked to have their radios playing while driving - any station will do. The moment a sniper incident happens and is confirmed, have someone with authority make an announcement via the EBS asking everyone listening to slow down and stop the vehicles in place - don't pull over, just stop the vehicles."

I would add that if you have a cb get on channel 19 and listen and use if necessary.

42 posted on 10/15/2002 3:56:07 AM PDT by NEWSOUTH
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To: *bang_list
easier to find on the bang_list...
43 posted on 10/15/2002 3:59:57 AM PDT by packrat01
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To: NEWSOUTH
Good suggestion and would probably work.
44 posted on 10/15/2002 4:02:05 AM PDT by Peach
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To: spycatcher
Olive skin has been whitewashed already.

What did you mean by that? This is not a good time for archness, obscure or learned references, or labored metaphors. Please restate.

45 posted on 10/15/2002 4:04:34 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Peach
thought it was worth a mention since the NYP

Who is NYP? Could you be a little less cryptic?

46 posted on 10/15/2002 4:08:40 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
New York Post
47 posted on 10/15/2002 4:09:17 AM PDT by Peach
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To: lentulusgracchus
Olive skin could have been part of a disguise, or the perp might disguise it away now.
48 posted on 10/15/2002 4:14:53 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Peach
Do you recall who posted about the alternating black/white victims?
49 posted on 10/15/2002 4:15:10 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Afraid I don't remember, ET.
50 posted on 10/15/2002 4:16:40 AM PDT by Peach
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