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Chief Charles Moose: How He Fits Montgomery's Profiling Puzzle (07/26/00)
adversity.net ^ | 07/26/00 | Tim Fay

Posted on 10/23/2002 11:04:28 AM PDT by Maedhros

It is no secret here in Montgomery County that Chief Moose was hired in large part to appease the NAACP and the U.S. Department of Justice.

Competent Moose may be. Educated he may be. But black he definitely is. And black did not hurt his chances of getting hired. Moose is also a long time friend of DOJ and its divisive racial data collection policies.

During the 1999 search for a new police chief, the Montgomery County Council was terrified of the NAACP allegations of police bias (very bad press), and they were equally terrified of 3 years of ongoing harassment from the U.S. DOJ (who found no evidence of racial bias in the department).

Montgomery County Executive, Doug Duncan, who is a politically ambitious liberal democrat who has his eye on the governor's mansion, particularly felt pressure to hire a racial minority as chief of police.

Then, in walked Charles A. Moose, a black 45 year old professional law enforcement officer who had already been thoroughly vetted by the NAACP and by the very liberal U.S. DOJ. The county council, also dominated by liberal democrats, was quick to hire Moose at a starting salary of $125,000. It didn't hurt that Moose's press kit prominently reveals he is a long-time advocate of diversity training for police.

Moose's connections with the liberal, pro-diversity Department of Justice are myriad and are long standing: While serving in Portland, Oregon Moose served on numerous panels and committees with colleagues from and for the U.S. Department of Justice.

Last summer -- during Moose's wooing of the Montgomery Council -- he was invited by none other than Attorney General Janet Reno her own bad self to be a featured guest speaker on a law enforcement panel. That certainly didn't hurt his job prospects with the liberal county council who were desperate to appease the NAACP.

Writing about Moose's new Montgomery job, the Washington Post wrote that he "...is a national leader in trying to stop the use of racial profiling by police." (Washington Post, June 9, 1999). A cynical person might infer that Moose believes that he can use good racial profiling to combat bad racial profiling in Montgomery. The NAACP was a very, very enthusiastic supporter of Moose during Montgomery's vetting of the new chief.

Last summer, Moose was also quoted as saying "We don't need a lot of research and data to prove whether there's race-based policing. If people think it's a problem, then we need to work on it." (Washington Post, June 5, 1999. Emphasis added.) In this Moose seems to directly echo the perceptions philosophy espoused by Ms. Plummer of the Montgomery NAACP.

Moose has also served on the Civil Rights Committee of the International Association of Chiefs of Police. As it turns out, the IACP just happened to award the Montgomery police a civil rights award in the fall of 1999, just after Moose's hiring. As we said, he is very well connected.

Police Chief Mary Ann Viverette served on the Charles A. Moose interview panel in 1999. Ms. Viverette is chief of a local Montgomery department. The Post quoted Ms. Viverette as saying: "Obviously, relations with the NAACP have been strained for a while. It seemed the NAACP was on one side and the police department was on the other, and there was a communication barrier. I thought maybe an outsider could open up the communication and reduce those barriers a bit." (Washington Post, May 29, 1999) Viverette didn't neet to add that being a black outsider really helped.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: allyourcrack; arebelongtous; forgreatjustice; someonesetusupthebom; whatyousay
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Hopefully this one won't be pulled.

Flame away...

1 posted on 10/23/2002 11:04:29 AM PDT by Maedhros
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To: Mordoch
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2 posted on 10/23/2002 11:07:30 AM PDT by Maedhros
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To: Maedhros
From the press conferences on the Washington area sniper case, I'd say he has handled it about as good as any police chief could. It's the media who are doing the silly act, not Chief Moose or the other top cops.

Our officials have to be judged on job performance, not race or ethnicity. If his people catch this perp, he will be the hero of the day.
4 posted on 10/23/2002 11:25:12 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: mortsahl
Qualified for what? When I left Los Angeles they had a black police chief; soon after I got to Nashville they hired a black police chief; Philadelphia had a black police chief when the MOVE building burned; being black might have helped Moose get his job, but it won't do beans for keeping it if this killing isn't ended with an arrest soon.

Moose as a public figure is out of his league, we can only hope that there is more going on under the surface.

5 posted on 10/23/2002 11:25:48 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Maedhros
I'm waiting for Chief Moose to start beginning his press conferences with knock-knock jokes.
6 posted on 10/23/2002 11:26:13 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: mortsahl
The question is not is he qualified.

THE question is, at the time he was hired, was he the very BEST candidate available?

The VERY BEST candidate should be hired, irrespective whether he/she is purple with pink polka-dots.

Mere qualification is not optimum - diversity is OK, but it ought not to be the primary objective, at the expense of more important factors such as experience, education and demonstrated leadership.

In the past the failure to hire blacks, when they were the best-qualified candidates was wrong.

Today, hiring lesser qualified candidates for reasons of diversity is equally wrong.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Affirmative action is descriminatory, and descrimination is wrong -- affirmative action and quotas are wrong.

7 posted on 10/23/2002 11:29:41 AM PDT by skip2myloo
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To: Maedhros
Oh man...the Moose-bots are gonna come after you man!
8 posted on 10/23/2002 11:30:06 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: Maedhros
From what you say it sounds like Montgomery County is a liberal hotbed to begin with. Why did you ever think they would hire some white right winger like that sherriff out in Arizona with the tent prison? If you dont like who they pick and it matters that much to you, why dont you move.

I am not about to critize Chief Moose. He's got a difficult job at the moment, and I havent seen anything in his job performance to make me think the less of him. You could bring J.Edgar Hoover back right now and he wouldnt be able to do any better. Finding one lone nut in a huge metropolitan area is not an easy task.

9 posted on 10/23/2002 11:34:40 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Maedhros
Flame?????

Has it become illegal or racist on FR to view the opinions of people that have doubts about Moose????

To answer my own question, if one reads other threads here concerning Moose, the answer is yes.

10 posted on 10/23/2002 11:35:34 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: skip2myloo
THE question is, at the time he was hired, was he the very BEST candidate available?

How often is the best candidate available ever hired for any post? Most often its the person that the hiring person is most comfortable with. Could be a brother in law, a college chum, etc.

The best candidate for a given position depends on the objectives that the hiring manager has for the position. There is no totally objective way to hire the "best" candidate for a position. You certainly dont do it based on tests or based on seniority. If you think hiring is or should be made based on hiring, then I suggest that you probably have little real world experience.

11 posted on 10/23/2002 11:42:34 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: cynicom
Has it become illegal or racist on FR to view the opinions of people that have doubts about Moose????

Well go ahead and voice your doubts. What I object to is that I have yet to see anyone state any specific criticism about the way Moose is handling his job other than he hasnt caught the sniper (neither have more than a 1,000 other lawmen), he doesnt speak like they think he should (imagine this is bigger complaint among those outside of the South), or he is black so he obviously was a diversity hire. So what has Moose done or not done that shows that he is a abject failure and deserves to be replaced? Why is it you doubt his competence. Have at it.

12 posted on 10/23/2002 11:47:36 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Maedhros
Road Trip To Agusta.................What Would OJ Do?
13 posted on 10/23/2002 11:50:02 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: Maedhros
Moose is qualified to be an affirmative action police chief. He is a token and that is what he does best. Does he impress you? Have you seen his fantastic leadership skills? Is he a take charge kind of guy who makes you feel like he knows exactly what he is doing? Like I said, he is an affirmative action token.

Guys like this make everyone, including other blacks, see a black guy in a position of responsibility as not having any real cvapability but simply being the token black. It is unfortunate becasue there are so many solid black folks out there but they now must also bear the burden of being seen as a racial token, selected solely because of their race and maintained in place for exactly the same reason.

My view is that Moose has been left in charge because the authorities know that the killer is also a black guy and don't want to lose contact by changing the guy in charge. If so, wait 'til you hear the excuses the lefties will make to justify the deaths of 10 innocent people. Imagine if the killer is a black 16 year old!

14 posted on 10/23/2002 11:50:24 AM PDT by Tacis
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To: Maedhros
And The Killer Is...........
15 posted on 10/23/2002 11:52:27 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: Dave S
Dave...

Reread my post.. I did not cast doubt on anyone....

I was addressing the issue of whether a person could display their doubts here on FR. All one has to do is read some of the threads. Far too many here are far to eager to go on the attack, to silence those that express their opinions. That is not what FR is about.

16 posted on 10/23/2002 11:54:01 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: Dave S
Moose is one police chief of one county. The sniper operates in many counties, and the FBI, which is typically above the police, and the Mayors....Where are all the heavy weights. How did this guy managed to muscle his way infront of the camera, more than the other counties Mayors or chief of Police. Something stinking here?

When 9/11 hapend it was the Mayor of NY in front of the camera not the fire chief or the police chief. In this case, I imagine it should have been the head of the FBI, not that one small time QUOTA police chief?

17 posted on 10/23/2002 11:58:14 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Dave S
I am not about to critize Chief Moose.

Stockholm Syndrome?

Since when does a pal of Janet Reno and a possible puppet of the NAACP become above reproach on FR?

It's unfortunate, but true, that you will not hear honest criticism of Moose in either the broadcast or print media -- because he is black, he is off-limits to the frustrated criticism that would have befallen a non-minority chief days ago.

Instead, we have the White House press corps now heckling Ari Fleisher with the insinuation the President is somehow responsible for the sniper, because he "hasn't done enough." The logic here is absurd -- let's not criticize the guy in charge, let's not replace him, since that would be racist, and would be undermining the the authority of local law enforcement, but by all means let's blame the President.

I don't blame Moose for the ineffectiveness of the feds -- but let's face it, political correctness, "sensivity" to cultural diversity and the hypocrisy of those who oppose "profiling" contributed mightily to 9/11, and still continues to undermine the pursuit of terrorists in our own country. The fact that an apostle of the left's mantras is in charge of this investigation, and the implications of why he is in charge, is certainly worthy of discussion.

18 posted on 10/23/2002 11:59:09 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: cynicom
Far too many here are far to eager to go on the attack, to silence those that express their opinions. That is not what FR is about.

Yes and I'm still waiting to hear their specific complaints other than he hasnt been caught, he doesnt speak like they think he should, and he is black.

20 posted on 10/23/2002 12:02:49 PM PDT by Dave S
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