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Minister: I suspected Muhammed was a TERRORIST.(read down in article--where'd he get travel bucks?)
UK News of the World ^ | Oct. 27, 02 | UK News of the World

Posted on 10/26/2002 11:53:26 PM PDT by churchillbuff

Claims of warnings about the pair to police BEFORE the killings started were piling up last night.

The Rev Al Archer, who runs the Lighthouse Mission Centre in Bellingham where the pair once lived, said he suspected the Gulf War veteran was a terrorist after September 11.

He said Muhammad distributed pro-Islam brochures, made anti-American slurs and also threatened to kill cops. He added: "If he'd been stopped at that time, a lot of people would be alive who are now dead."

Mr Archer revealed that Muhammad, who was existing on handouts, started travelling extensively by air. Harjeep Singh, who knew the snipers at a YMCA gym, said he was alarmed at their vow to go on a gun-rampage, targetting cops and fuel tankers.

Police and an FBI agent interviewed Mr Singh but no action was taken.

Full article: SNIPER ESCAPE BID FBI agents grab him as he flees

THE 17-year-old Washington sniper made a dramatic freedom bid—by punching his way through the CEILING of an interview room.

John Lee Malvo seized his chance after being left alone by FBI interrogators.

He leapt on a table and quickly smashed the flimsy ceiling tiles with his fists—then began hauling himself up into a ventilation shaft.

Agents dashed into the room, grabbed his flailing legs and wrenched the struggling teenager back down.

Last night the FBI refused to comment on the embarrassing incident at the "secure" and secret federal centre in Baltimore, Maryland.

Malvo and fellow sniper John Muhammad, 41—who face the death penalty in seven different jurisdictions —are refusing to help enquiries into their reign of terror in the US capital.

Posed

One agent said: "Never mind co-operation. They're not even talking."

The pair—who killed ten and wounded three in a 21-day spree— could also be charged with an unsolved murder on America's west coast.

Keenya Cook, 21, was killed in February with a single head shot as she opened her front door in Tacoma, Washington State, where Muhammad and Malvo were living at the time.

The assassins were friends with her family—and even posed for the now infamous picture together on their sofa.

But ex-Army marksman Muhammad, who changed his name from Williams because he converted to Islam, fell out with the Cooks when they befriended his ex-wife.

Claims of warnings about the pair to police BEFORE the killings started were piling up last night.

The Rev Al Archer, who runs the Lighthouse Mission Centre in Bellingham where the pair once lived, said he suspected the Gulf War veteran was a terrorist after September 11.

He said Muhammad distributed pro-Islam brochures, made anti-American slurs and also threatened to kill cops. He added: "If he'd been stopped at that time, a lot of people would be alive who are now dead."

Mr Archer revealed that Muhammad, who was existing on handouts, started travelling extensively by air. Harjeep Singh, who knew the snipers at a YMCA gym, said he was alarmed at their vow to go on a gun-rampage, targetting cops and fuel tankers.

Police and an FBI agent interviewed Mr Singh but no action was taken.

There were also chilling new revelations last night about how Malvo and Muhammad mocked police by repeatedly slipping through dragnets.

Their 1990 blue Chevrolet Caprice— a killing machine with holes in the boot to fire through—was first noted by police on October 3, just 24 hours after the first killing. But it was lost in the system while the entire hunt centred on a white van.

Meanwhile, Muhammad was stopped or spoken to by officers TEN times for various traffic offences.

During a spot-check on October 8, he was parked and asleep at the wheel. But cops failed to look in the boot, where they would have found the Bushmaster XM15 rifle.

The most chilling escape was last Monday when two illegal immigrants in a white van were held in a swoop as they used a phone booth being staked out by cops.

Muhammad and Malvo had given the number of the booth to detectives in a phone call. And just yards away, they were lurking in their blue Chevy, watching every move in the fiasco.

The car was even caught in the background on news footage—and still the jigsaw did not piece together.

Finally, police realised the car they were looking for. But Chief Charles Moose refused to reveal the number plate. It was only when one of his team leaked it that the pair were found one-and-a-half hours later.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; islam; jihadinamerica; pckills; terrorism
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To: FITZ
The FBI was not that involved at first.

Don't let your hatred of the FBI blind you to the actions of the black racist, PC Moose.
21 posted on 10/27/2002 7:34:33 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
The FBI had warnings about the sniper when he stayed in some homeless shelter and had airlines calling him. They ignored that tip.
22 posted on 10/27/2002 7:57:36 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Grampa Dave
Also there seems to be quite a bit of immigrant smuggling going on that's been ignored by the FBI even since Sept 11, 2001. I don't see any excuses for immigrants being smuggled into this country and Mohammed seems quite in the middle of all that. Moose didn't have any of the information the FBI had access to.
23 posted on 10/27/2002 7:59:21 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
The Former Bureau of Investigation gets no approval from me.

However, not focusing on the actions of PC Moose and just blaming the FBI is how these PCers stay in power.
24 posted on 10/27/2002 8:00:46 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Humidston
Unfreakin believable. If this is accurate, Moose is an idiot!

The local cops did their job well, noticing and recording the activity of this car. The screwup is at the feet of the FBI profilers. Someone at a very high level made a deliberate decision to ignore eyewitness accounts of "hispanic" or "olive-skinned" perps. These descriptions are not bad, in my opinion, considering no one got a really close look.

25 posted on 10/27/2002 8:15:10 AM PST by js1138
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To: Grampa Dave
The FBI was in charge of the investigation. The local cops did their job.
26 posted on 10/27/2002 8:16:33 AM PST by js1138
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27 posted on 10/27/2002 8:18:12 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: churchillbuff
Muhammad was "existing on handouts" --- then suddenly "started travelling extensively by air." Who was footing the bill?

I've been asking the same question. They were getting money from somewhere with no employment or business connections, legal or illegal. A Chevy Caprice is a thirsty beast, and it was getting driven a lot. The whole thing, with the shooting gallery in the car trunk, was too clever by half.

I don't think this story ends with the two dufuses. And it could well lead back to AQ, even with these clowns being nutcases - thinking "outside the trunk", since so many seem to think they have to be either nuts or under strict AQ discipline, but nothing in between.

One way to make war against a nation is to quietly encourage and fund nutcases to do just this kind of thing, maybe bamboozle things a bit so they don't even know who they're doing it for. And if they get caught, so what.

Economy-of-force terror.

28 posted on 10/27/2002 8:26:04 AM PST by pttttt
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To: js1138
You need a little history on PC Moose. If you are interested I can post something from the White House of Clintoon how and why he got his job.

The FBI got involved but not before the first critical day or so when the data on the killers got lost.

The FBI after 8 years of Jake Reno/Clinton became the Former Bureau of Investigation. The DC FBI's if they were hired or promoted from 92-2000 are probably terrible agents and nothing but PC/Diversity queens.

However, to blame the FBI for the track record of the black racist Moose is developing a serious blind spot or an attempt to divert attention from his responsiblity in this fiasco.
29 posted on 10/27/2002 8:26:30 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: churchillbuff
This is also from the same page (maybe a later development):

POLICE SEIZE THIRD MAN

A THIRD man who bought the Chevy killing machine with sniper John Muhammad was arrested yesterday.

Nathanial Osbourne, 26, was at the car lot in Trenton, New Jersey, and his name was entered on the log book as co-owner. The ex-undercover police car was registered to an address where the Jamaican immigrant occasionally lives. The FBI put him on their "most-wanted" website. An investigation source said: "The FBI don't go to such lengths just to talk to someone. This guy could be well implicated."

30 posted on 10/27/2002 8:29:26 AM PST by pttttt
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To: Humidston
Moose may be an idiot.....
But, we know for sure that the INS is an enormously bloated bureaucracy FULL of IDIOTS! That piece of crap needs to be completely dismantled and rebuilt from scratch. Hell, they're probably STILL issuing visas to Saudis who want to go to flight school here!!! (Take-offs, only please.....)
31 posted on 10/27/2002 8:37:37 AM PST by TheGrimReaper
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To: PokeyJoe
Makes sense to me!

Still Chief Moose came out of Portland which is steeped in Political Correct Think. and is in Maryland another land of PC!

So maybe he didn't intend for the leak to happen!

33 posted on 10/27/2002 9:37:02 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: churchillbuff
US Law Enforcement antiterrror squads and the police have all been asleep at the switch.

The pervasive influence of saudi money and a pc mentality means that a lot of the deaths could have been avoided.

As it is, it took a leaked license plate and an alert trucker to nail these guys.

If this whole episode doesn't make you lose confidence in the whole LE mess.....
34 posted on 10/27/2002 9:52:18 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Grampa Dave
" If you are interested I can post something from the White House of Clintoon how and why he got his job."

We're waiting...........

35 posted on 10/27/2002 9:52:45 AM PST by jmax
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To: jmax
Adversity.Net

http://www.adversity.net/MontgomeryCountyPolice/racial_profiling.htm

Law Enforcement News

http://www.lib.jjay.cuny.edu/len/1999/06.15/p&p.html

White House Press Releases, etc...

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/archives/whitehouse-papers/1994/Jul/1994-07-28-President-and-Other-Speakers-at-Crime-Bill-Event
36 posted on 10/27/2002 10:49:15 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: churchillbuff
I think we all have a pretty good idea who was footing the bill.
37 posted on 10/27/2002 10:52:29 AM PST by ladyinred
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To: Grampa Dave
I will neither defend nor condemn Moose for a few weeks. I feel certain that the feds are responsible for the profile that prevented street cops from knowing the perps fit eyewitness descriptions.

there was no need for Moose to release any info to the public. The perps were suspicious to get their tags traced ten times during the course of the shootings. All it would have taken was someone to put their description into the national crime database. If the person responsible turnes out to be Moose himself, then I'll agree with you. But all the "former FBI" types on TV were wrong, so I assume the feds were the ones in charge of profiling.

38 posted on 10/27/2002 12:12:43 PM PST by js1138
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To: ladyinred
bump
39 posted on 10/27/2002 12:14:10 PM PST by timestax
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To: PokeyJoe
btw - the tarot card was released by the same method, to give the chief an opportunity to bang on his chest to the press. He's no fool.

That was no act... or he should get an Academy Award. HE said as much as, the Portland Police was racist and he fixed it. He was hired in MC because the NAACP alleged that the Police were racist. Millions were spent and the verdict was... the NAACP allegation was false on it's face, and maybe intentionally.

40 posted on 10/27/2002 12:19:01 PM PST by OReilly
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