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FBI's Theory On Anthrax Is Doubted (Evidence points to a state sponsor)
Washington Post ^ | October 28th, 2002 | Guy Gugliotta and Gary Matsumoto

Posted on 10/28/2002 7:09:54 PM PST by Sabertooth

A significant number of scientists and biological warfare experts are expressing skepticism about the FBI's view that a single disgruntled American scientist prepared the spores and mailed the deadly anthrax letters that killed five people last year. These sources say that making a weaponized aerosol of such sophistication and virulence would require scientific knowledge, technical competence, access to expensive equipment and safety know-how that are probably beyond the capabilities of a lone individual.

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"In my opinion, there are maybe four or five people in the whole country who might be able to make this stuff, and I'm one of them," said Richard O. Spertzel, chief biological inspector for the U.N. Special Commission from 1994 to 1998. "And even with a good lab and staff to help run it, it might take me a year to come up with a product as good."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthrax; inspections; inspector; iraq; spetzel; un; wmd
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To: piasa
"Jeez, I use this stuff as an additive in museum exhibit resins..."

For my education, could bentonite also be used in your particular application?

41 posted on 10/29/2002 6:20:40 AM PST by okie01
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To: okie01
I suppose so but I haven't used it since I've always been happy with Cab-o-sil. Though anything goes depending on what we're trying to mimic. Bentonite is used with fiberglass work, so I hear, but I doubt if it is fine enough nor light enough for my purposes, which require fine detail.

The only bentonite around here in quantity is in the kitty litter...

42 posted on 10/29/2002 7:33:44 AM PST by piasa
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To: Sabertooth
IT'S ATTA, STUPID!!! (statement, not directed at you)
43 posted on 10/29/2002 8:16:19 AM PST by TexKat
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To: Medium Rare
Thank you for your post and for sharing your analysis!

I recall that the Patrick method was discovered a very long time ago. Is it not possible that Iraq could have developed an alternate method in the meantime?

44 posted on 10/29/2002 9:03:38 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: piasa
Well, more bad news... researchers can get anthrax any time they want. That's what the demons are talking about when they say we sold Iraq anthrax -- typical obsfucation. Weapons grade is another matter. I doubt we have sold any of that to anybody. Why would we?
45 posted on 10/29/2002 12:13:21 PM PST by johnb838
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To: Sabertooth
And behind Iraq is...


46 posted on 10/29/2002 3:28:18 PM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the ping, Sabe, but it's already been posted:

Anthrax: No Progress in War on Bioterror - Why?

47 posted on 10/29/2002 3:43:04 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Sabertooth
You don't mean.....IRAQ??? The same country whose military men were present with McVeigh, who blew up OKC?

The same country who did NOT take credit for the SAM that took down TWA800??

Not Iraq--friend to Mexico????
48 posted on 10/29/2002 3:51:21 PM PST by ninenot
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To: browardchad
....the same reason cops raid fraternity beer parties instead of patrolling high-crime districts heavily.

You don't get shot at frat parties, and the kids wind up paying the fines (follow the MONEY....especially late in the budget year...)

FBI would rather accuse a damn-near-blind prolifer of snipershooting an abortionist than actually go mano-a-mano with nasties from the Iraqi army who are driving around the USA...
49 posted on 10/29/2002 3:55:43 PM PST by ninenot
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To: mrustow
Follow the links at #6. This is a totally different article, with a lot of info I haven't seen elsewhere.



50 posted on 10/29/2002 4:09:23 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
I read both articles. This one is more wide-ranging, but it includes very closely paraphrased material from the one I linked to at #47.

51 posted on 10/29/2002 5:05:50 PM PST by mrustow
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To: Another Galt
Speaking of WNV, I saw a bit of a segment on the local news tonight (sorry, had the volume off) in which they were saying (according to titles on the screen) that the WNV is apparently contaminating some marine life now. Watch for some story to be posted about that, I'd expect.
52 posted on 10/30/2002 10:54:21 PM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Betty Jo
Some fumed silicas are extremely difficult to make, but at least two -- Aerosil and Cab-O-Sil -- are readily available and sold commercially in bulk. Either product, in theory, could be used to coat anthrax spores. Aerosil is based in Germany and Cab-O-Sil, in Boston. Both firms have offices around the world.

Looks like Bioport and your bin Laden Medical Complex are still in the running...

There was a reason Atta went to Boston...

53 posted on 10/30/2002 11:01:20 PM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Alamo-Girl
While it is true that Patrick's involvement started many years ago, it has continued to this day through his consultant status with the CIA and Battelle.

I don't know when the one trillion spores per gram was perfected. I hadn't heard of it until the mail incidents. If you have information as to when it was perfected I would certainly apreciate you sharing it.

In the meantime, consider the following.

According to the BIOHAZARD NEWS publication, "a 1997 article in a scientific journal reported that Russian scientists had implanted into the anthrax microbe genes that cause food poisoning, producing a strain that was resistant to Russia's anthrax vaccine." (Could Alibek have planted the story?)

At any rate, U.S. authorities requested a sample from Russia with which to test the U.S. vaccine but were unsuccessful when Russia denied ever having produced such a strain.

Thus was born the "Jefferson Project." The CIA was tasked with developing more deadly anthrax bacteria to use in testing U.S. vaccines. The CIA chose its often used contractor Battelle (BMI) to host the project.

Production was to be at Battelle’s state of the art facility for making aerosol products for commercial and military use. Some researchers believe this may be the facility at which William Patrick perfected the process that resulted in the one trillion-spore concentration rather than at the army’s Dugway, Utah facility, which is also controlled by Battelle.

The aerosol facility is located in West Jefferson, Ohio hence the name of the project. No results of the project have been announced.

54 posted on 10/31/2002 5:23:53 PM PST by Medium Rare
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To: okie01
See the following article.

Source: Baltimore Sun, December 12, 2001.

Anthrax matches Army spores

Bioterror: Organisms made at a military laboratory in Utah are genetically identical to those mailed to members of Congress.

By Scott Shane, Sun Staff

For nearly a decade, U.S. Army scientists at Dugway Proving Ground in Utah have made small quantities of weapons-grade anthrax that is virtually identical to the powdery spores used in the mail attacks that have killed five people, government sources say.

Until the anthrax attacks led to tighter security measures, anthrax grown at Dugway was regularly sent by Federal Express to the Army's biodefense center at Fort Detrick, in Frederick, where the bacteria were killed using gamma radiation before being returned to Dugway for experiments.

The anthrax was shipped in the form of a coarse paste, not in the far more dangerous finely milled form, according to one government official.

Most anthrax testing at Dugway, in a barren Utah desert 87 miles southwest of Salt Lake City, is done using the killed spores to reduce the chance of accidental exposure of workers there.

But some experiments require live anthrax, milled to the tiny particle size expected on a battlefield, to test both decontamination techniques and biological agent detection systems, the sources say.

Anthrax is also grown at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, where it is used chiefly to test the effectiveness of vaccines in animals.

But that medical program uses a wet aerosol fog of anthrax rather than the dry powder used in the attacks and at Dugway, according to interviews and medical journal articles based on the research.

The wet anthrax, while still capable of killing people, is safer for laboratory workers to handle, scientists say. Dugway's production of weapons-grade anthrax, which has never before been publicly revealed, is apparently the first by the U.S. government since President Richard M. Nixon ordered the U.S. offensive biowarfare program closed in 1969.

Scientists familiar with the anthrax program at Dugway described it to The Sun on the condition that they not be named.

The offensive program made hundreds of kilograms of anthrax for bombs designed to kill enemy troops over hundreds of square miles.

Dugway's Life Sciences Division makes the deadly spores in far, far smaller quantities, rarely accumulating more than 10 grams at a time, according to one Army official. Scientists estimate that the letter sent to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle originally contained about 2 grams of anthrax, about one-sixteenth of an ounce, or the weight of a dime.

But its extraordinary concentration - in the range of 1 trillion spores per gram - meant that the letter could have contained 200 million times the average dose necessary to kill a person.

Dugway's weapons-grade anthrax has been milled to achieve a similar concentration, according to one person familiar with the program.

The concentration exceeds that of weapons anthrax produced by the old U.S. offensive program or the Soviet biowarfare program, according to Dr. Richard O. Spertzel, who worked at Detrick for 18 years and later served as a United Nations bioweapons inspector in Iraq.

Lab security measures

No evidence linking the Dugway anthrax to the attacks has been made public, and there might well be none. Army officials say the anthrax there and at Fort Detrick has long been protected by multiple security measures. The FBI has extensively questioned Dugway employees who have had access to anthrax, according to people familiar with the investigation.

Agents also have questioned people at Fort Detrick and other government and university laboratories that have used the Ames strain of anthrax found in the letters. Still, the analysis of the genetic and physical properties of the anthrax mailed to Daschle and Sen. Patrick J. Leahy has caused investigators to take a hard look at Dugway's anthrax program.

First, the genetic fingerprint of the mailed anthrax is indistinguishable from that of the Ames "reference strain," which is the strain used most often at Fort Detrick and Dugway, according to a scientist familiar with the genetic work.

Researchers led by Paul Keim at Northern Arizona University have compared the two samples and found them identical at 50 genetic markers - the most sensitive genetic identification method available. That does not mean the mailed anthrax necessarily originated from an Army program, because Ames anthrax has been widely used at government and university laboratories in the United States and overseas.

Shipped without records

While some sources have estimated Ames might have been used in as few as 20 labs, one scientist who has worked with anthrax said the total cannot be known exactly, but is probably closer to 50.

"Until the last few years, a graduate student would call up a friend at another lab and say, 'Send me Ames,' and they'd do it," the scientist said. "There wouldn't necessarily be any records kept."

Ames is similar to but distinct from the Vollum1B strain of anthrax used in the old U.S. offensive biological weapons program.

The genetic testing proves the mailed anthrax was not left over from the old program, most scientists agree. Even more provocative than the genetics are the physical properties of the mailed anthrax. While some scientists disagree, many bioterrorism experts argue that the quality of the mailed anthrax is such that it could have been produced only in a weapons program or using information from such a program.

Link to Dugway base

If true, that would greatly limit the field, increasing the likelihood of a link to the only site in the United States where weapons-grade anthrax has been made in recent years.

Dugway, which is larger than Rhode Island, has been a military testing ground since World War II, when military officials selected it for its remote location in Utah's Great Salt Lake Desert.

The Dugway anthrax program was launched in the early 1990s, shortly after the Persian Gulf war reawakened U.S. military commanders to the threat from biological weapons. Iraq is known to have built a major bioweapons program that included anthrax in its potential arsenal.

According to Dugway's Web site, the proving ground's Life Sciences Division has an aerosol technology branch and a biotechnology branch, both of which use a Biosafety Level 3 laboratory designed to contain pathogens.

Anthrax and other dangerous germs at Dugway are guarded by video cameras, intrusion alarms, double locks and a buddy system that does not permit workers to handle the agents alone, according to one scientist.

But Dugway does not have a gamma radiation machine, which is why its anthrax has been shipped to Detrick for irradiation.

Dr. David L. Huxsoll, who headed Detrick's biodefense program in the 1980s, said vaccines and detection systems must be tested against aerosolized anthrax if troops are to be prepared for biological attacks.

"When you're building a program to defend against biological weapons on the battlefield, you have to be prepared for an aerosol exposure," he said.

Not a treaty violation

Milton Leitenberg, an expert on bioweapons at the University of Maryland, said he was not aware of the Dugway anthrax production.

But he said making a few grams of weapons-grade anthrax for testing defensive equipment would not violate the international convention on biological weapons. The treaty bans the production of bioagents "of types and in quantities that have no justification for prophylactic, protective and other peaceful purposes."

"There's no specific limit in grams or micrograms," Leitenberg said. "But if you got up in the hundreds of grams, people would be very, very skeptical."

The FBI's investigation, called Amerithrax, has focused on the possibility that the anthrax terrorist might be a loner in this country with some scientific training. The Sun reported Sunday that in two months, none of the hundreds of FBI agents on the case had contacted the Army retirees who produced anthrax in the 1950s and 1960s. Yesterday, one of those anthrax veterans, Orley R. Bourland Jr. of Walkersville, got a call from the White House Office of Homeland Security seeking information. The FBI had not made contact with several veterans interviewed yesterday.

55 posted on 10/31/2002 8:30:38 PM PST by Medium Rare
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To: Medium Rare
"Organisms made at a military laboratory in Utah are genetically identical to those mailed to members of Congress."

Of course, they are identical. They are both Ames strain. That is not in dispute. But it doesn't prove anything. Because the Ames strain was supplied to other labs. Who, in turn, supplied it to yet more labs.

"Dugway's weapons-grade anthrax has been milled to achieve a similar concentration, according to one person familiar with the program."

Is that it? Is that one unattributed sentence your authoritative, unimpeachable source that Dugway (and Battelle in West Jeff, which isn't even mentioned in the article) are "the only places in the world with the ability to produce one trillion spores per gram"?

56 posted on 10/31/2002 9:22:17 PM PST by okie01
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To: Medium Rare
This is what I have to go on - it would indicate that the patents were based on technology developed in the 50's and 60's: In his assessment, Mr. Patrick drew on personal knowledge acquired while working in the nation's offensive biological weapons program from 1951 to 1969, when it was dismantled, at which time he was chief of the division of product development. He won five patents with his colleagues for ways to make biological weapons.

...In his report, Mr. Patrick said the American program had achieved a concentration of one trillion spores per gram — what scientists today say is near the theoretical limit of how many of the microscopic spheres can be packed into a tiny space.

New York Times12/3/01 - William Broad "Terror Anthrax Linked to Type Made by U.S."

57 posted on 10/31/2002 9:31:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: pokerbuddy0; Badabing Badaboom
FYI.
58 posted on 09/10/2003 2:54:05 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Badabing Badaboom
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59 posted on 09/30/2003 3:49:17 PM PDT by Shermy
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