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Carr brothers not monsters, women insist [Wichita Massacre]
The Wichita Eagle ^ | 11/07/02 | Ron Sylvester

Posted on 11/07/2002 4:33:26 AM PST by KS Flyover

Juanita Culver found it hard to believe that the Jonathan Carr she knew could be facing the death penalty for a crime rampage that included multiple rapes, robberies and murders.

But District Attorney Nola Foulston wanted to clarify the crimes for the 73-year-old woman from Dodge City, who testified Wednesday in the penalty phase of Jonathan and Reginald Carr's capital murder trial.

Foulston showed Culver color crime-scene photos from a soccer field where four people were shot to death on Dec. 15, 2000, and asked: Did that change her mind?

"No, it doesn't.... I see that stuff, but it's very, very hard for me to believe it," Culver said.

Everyone the defense called Wednesday agreed the acts were brutal, but they didn't waver in their support of the brothers who have become two of Wichita's most infamous killers.

In challenging people who said they have seen the Carrs' humanity, Foulston made sure they also saw photos of the crime scene that have her now seeking the death penalty against the brothers.

But she couldn't budge them.

"My brain says, 'Juanita, just face the facts,' but my heart says 'I still love him,' " Juanita Culver said of Jonathan Carr, who as a teenager worked for her and her husband doing carpentry work.

"I found him to be one of the nicest, polite, kind, warm, giving -- he was the epitome of the finest young man," Juanita Culver told Jonathan Carr's lawyer, Ron Evans.

Foulston pressed on cross-examination: Did the picture of the murder scene look like the work of a warm person?

"I have to accept it, because you said it, but deep down, I can't believe it," Juanita Culver said.

She later added: "I feel so sorry for those people who lost those children."

But neither Juanita nor Leroy Culver wavered in their opinion of the Jonathan Carr they knew.

"He just was a child who wanted love," Juanita Culvert said.

Reginald Carr, meanwhile, seems to have inspired a host of faithful women who have not abandoned him.

Richele Kossmen spoke through tears as she talked about the 7-year-old son she had with Reginald Carr.

The boy "sees no evil; he just sees his dad," she said.

Kossmen cried when Foulston showed the crime pictures. Foulston then stood over the 26-year-old woman's shoulder and peered at Reginald Carr.

"I'm sorry you have tears in your eyes," Foulston said. "You see any tears in that man's eyes?"

Answered Kossmen: "I've never seen any tears in that man's eyes -- even when he was hurting."

As Foulston asked pointed questions between Kossmen's sobs, some jurors looked away from the witness stand.

"I don't know the person who could do this," Kossmen said.

Kossmen said she knew a Reginald Carr who provided no financial support, but regularly played with his boy -- when dad wasn't serving time.

"I think there's a boundary between the way he acts with children and the way he acts with other people," Kossmen said.

That's the Reginald Carr who Kossmen's son writes letters to in jail. She read one letter, "For Daddy..."

"I wish you would come back," the letter read. "I love you very, very much. I love when you play games with me...

"I'm a good boy like you tell me to," the boy wrote.

Reginald Carr hung his head, as Kossmen read aloud.

Foulston pointed out that Reginald Carr had been put in diversion as a teen on a charge of indecent solicitation of a child. When he robbed a Dodge City bookstore, the court in Ford County certified him as an adult. When he continued to get into the trouble, he went to prison.

"If Mr. Carr would walk out of here today, would you resume that relationship?" Foulston asked.

"I sure would," Kossmen said.

Kossmen also cried for the families of the dead and the woman who survived the shooting in the soccer field. She lived, despite a gunshot wound to the back of her head, and her testimony helped convict the Carr brothers of capital murder.

"I have every bit of remorse for those families," Kossmen said.

But she doesn't fear Reginald Carr: "He's the man who was good to my son."

Mandy Carr, Reginald's estranged wife, was pregnant with his second child on the night five people were raped, robbed and shot in the back of the head.

"You wouldn't want to tell your son about that, would you?" Chief Deputy District Attorney Kim Parker asked.

"No," Mandy Carr said.

But Mandy Carr has stood by Reginald through his troubles.

She married him after he went to prison for possession of methamphetamine, a year after they met. He was 16; she was 21.

Reginald Carr wrote poems to her. He drew cartoons and portraits from photographs.

Mandy Carr knows about the other women. She knows Reginald Carr came to Wichita, stayed with Stephanie Donley, and then went on a weeklong crime spree that ended with his arrest in Donley's apartment.

Wednesday, Jay Greeno, one of Reginald Carr's lawyers, asked Mandy Carr: "Do you feel he misled you... lied to you?" "Yes," she said.

"Has that affected your relationship?"

"No," Mandy Carr said.

Reach Ron Sylvester at 268-6514 or rsylvester@wichitaeagle.com.



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Reginald Carr's wife tells jurors about his children
Last Modified: 12:51 a.m. 11/7/2002

By Roxana Hegeman - The Associated Press

Reginald Carr
  Reginald Carr
WICHITA -- Mandy Carr told jurors deciding whether her husband should live or die for killing five people that she keeps the couple's children away from news reports of their father's crimes.

The Dodge City woman also testified Wednesday that she would like her children to have contact with their father, Reginald Carr, as they grow up.

Reginald Carr and his brother Jonathan Carr were convicted Monday on murder, robbery and sex crimes charges stemming from a nine-day rampage in December 2000.

Mandy Carr said she was already pregnant with the couple's son, Anthony, when Reginald Carr went to prison in 1996 on drug charges. She married him in 1997, while he was still serving time. Reginald Carr was released from prison on March 28, 2000, and that summer she became pregnant with their daughter, Regina.

Mandy Carr tearfully told jurors her husband has never held his infant daughter, who was born four months after his arrest for the killings.

Anthony began wetting the bed shortly after his father was arrested again, but he knows nothing about the specifics of the crime spree, Mandy Carr said.

"He understands his dad is in jail," she said. "He understands his dad is in trouble for not doing the right things."

Jurors returned capital murder verdicts in the Dec. 15, 2000, deaths of Aaron Sander, 29, Brad Heyka, 27, Jason Befort, 26; and Heather Muller, 25. All four were shot execution style in the back of the head as they knelt side-by-side in a snow-covered soccer field.

The brothers also were convicted of attempted first-degree murder of Befort's girlfriend, then a 25-year-old teacher, who also was shot in the head but survived to testify.

The brothers also were convicted of forcing the five friends to engage in sex acts with each other and repeatedly raping the women. The Carrs also were convicted of first-degree murder for the shooting of another woman, Ann Walenta, four days before the quadruple murder. She later died.

Reginald Carr also has a 7-year-old son, Devon, from a previous relationship with another woman. Rachelle Cossman, Devon's mother, testified Wednesday that her son has watched television news reports of the crimes his father has committed.

"Regardless of the things he has done, Devon sees no evil. He sees his dad," Cossman said.

Between sobs she read a letter the boy wrote to his father: "I love you. Why do you have to go to jail? I am being a good boy like you said. ... Sometimes I cry because I miss you. I am never going to do stuff like that because I am good," the later stated.

Reginald Carr looked down as Cossman read the letter.

Under cross-examination, Cossman said she wasn't concerned about her son being with Reginald Carr.

"I think there is a boundary with the way he acts with his children and the way he acts with other people," she said.

Defense attorneys introduced into evidence Wednesday the poetry that Reginald Carr has written to his wife since he has been jailed, and the drawings of Sylvester the Cat and Daffy Duck he has sent his son.

Mandy Carr said her son can't understand why he isn't allowed to be in the same room as his father when he visits him in jail now and doesn't like going to the jail. She said when Reginald Carr had been imprisoned earlier, the inmates were allowed to play with their children when they came to visit.

She said she has explained to the boy that his father is never going to get out of jail again and told her son she would mail for him any drawings he would like to send him.

"I try to explain to him my spiritual belief people have souls," Mandy Carr said. "And even when we do something that is horrible we still have a soul and God provides us with the grace to let that soul be saved. That is a hard thing for a five year old to understand. I don't know if he understands to be worried about a soul at this point. He worries more about what (his father) eats and where he sleeps."

Earlier Wednesday, David Preston, a retired doctor and former professor from the University of Kansas Medical Center, testified that brain scans performed on the Carrs showed a deficit in the metabolism in the part of the brain that handles short term memory and assigns risk to events and situations.

But he acknowledged under cross-examination that such deficits aren't uncommon, and that the scans aren't medically acceptable to predict or explain criminal behavior.

Reginald Carr also was convicted in a Dec. 7, 2000, robbery in which the victim was left unharmed. Jonathan Carr was found innocent in that case.


1 posted on 11/07/2002 4:33:26 AM PST by KS Flyover
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Carr trial: Survivor describes sexual attacks by armed intruders [Wichita Massacre] Day 2 - 10/09/2002
Witchita Case of Black Racist Crime Survivor's testimony horrifies courtroom Day 2 - 10/10/2002
Woman testifies that Carrs killed her friends in a soccer field [Wichita Massacre Day 3] - 10/10/2002
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2 posted on 11/07/2002 4:35:34 AM PST by KS Flyover
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To: KS Flyover
Next, maybe they'll put some witnesses on the stand who aren't quite so deep in denial, some folks who know these pieces of trash for what they are. Like, oh, I don't know, some of the victims' families.
3 posted on 11/07/2002 4:43:55 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
"Like, oh, I don't know, some of the victims' families."

TODAY: Scheduled to testify are several Wichita police lab investigators as well as relatives of some of the victims.

4 posted on 11/07/2002 5:02:15 AM PST by KS Flyover
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To: KS Flyover
The Dodge City woman also testified Wednesday that she would like her children to have contact with their father, Reginald Carr, as they grow up.

Maybe we can get them included in the witness list for his execution?

5 posted on 11/07/2002 5:05:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Point. Set. Match.

Talk about a diversionary program.

6 posted on 11/07/2002 5:13:40 AM PST by wideawake
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To: KS Flyover
Is it possible they did not see or read the surviving victims account of that night and the sheer barbarity of the crime even prior to the executions of these good people?

Sorry, I could not defend my family member or friend on this one. They would not call me as a defense witness, that is for sure.

7 posted on 11/07/2002 5:15:08 AM PST by alisasny
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To: KS Flyover
Wednesday, Jay Greeno, one of Reginald Carr's lawyers, asked Mandy Carr: "Do you feel he misled you... lied to you?" "Yes," she said.

"Has that affected your relationship?"

"No," Mandy Carr said.

Find yourself a good co-dependent, you can do whatever you want, including rape, torture, and murder. Sheesh.

8 posted on 11/07/2002 5:17:18 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: KS Flyover
Right now I'm thinking that those witnesses ought to go to the chair with the Carr bros.
9 posted on 11/07/2002 5:26:58 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: IronJack
The sooner the Carr brothers are out of the gene pool- the better!
10 posted on 11/07/2002 5:29:42 AM PST by Destructor
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To: KS Flyover
I wonder if Good Morning America would be covering this today of the Carr brothers had been caught shoplifting from Saks.
11 posted on 11/07/2002 5:50:09 AM PST by Blue Screen of Death
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To: Blue Screen of Death
Good lord, if it looks like a monster, walks like a monster and murders like a monster, well, it is a monster. How many killings would these dudes have to do before she reconsidered her position. The truth is that killers, between their killings, can look perfectly fine and have family and friends. They are no less dangerous.
12 posted on 11/07/2002 6:47:28 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: KS Flyover
Outraged citizen bump...

please add me to your ping list...
13 posted on 11/07/2002 6:59:54 AM PST by g'nad
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To: KS Flyover
I guess if you shop lift you get national attention but brutally rape and murder and hey its just another day...but the mainstream media ain't biased they said they weren't..
14 posted on 11/07/2002 7:06:47 AM PST by Rightly Biased
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To: KS Flyover
"Regardless of the things he has done, Devon sees no evil. He sees his dad," Cossman said.

Maybe somebody should inform Junior and the other kids that Daddy shot a poor little defenseless doggy in cold blood. Perhaps that will get through to them...



15 posted on 11/07/2002 7:15:16 AM PST by who knows what evil?
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To: KS Flyover
Foulston showed Culver color crime-scene photos from a soccer field where four people were shot to death on Dec. 15, 2000, and asked: Did that change her mind?
"No, it doesn't.... I see that stuff, but it's very, very hard for me to believe it," Culver said.

Ladies and Gentlemen, see the O.J. Juror mentality in action.

(Memo to Martin Luther King: Exactly when is that "Judge us by the content of our character" thing supposed to begin?)

16 posted on 11/07/2002 7:18:32 AM PST by martin_fierro
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To: Rightly Biased
Hey now that we control EVERYTHING can we banish the Liberal News Media?
17 posted on 11/07/2002 7:21:47 AM PST by Musket
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To: KS Flyover
introduced into evidence Wednesday the poetry that Reginald Carr has written to his wife since he has been jailed, and the drawings of Sylvester the Cat and Daffy Duck he has sent his son. Mandy Carr said her son can't understand why he isn't allowed to be in the same room as his father when he visits him in jail now and doesn't like going to the jail.

I can already see this kid in therapy years from now. "My mother, the person who gave me life and whom I expected to protect me, chose a drug dealing adulterer to be my father. then told me that in return for cartoons and poetry, I was to offer my unthinking and unquestioning loyalty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence of my fathers viciousness and complete lack of remorse, pity and humanity. I remember going to the jail..."

Does she think that second graders are so protected that their classmates haven't already filled his ears with why his father is in jail? I'll bet that she has a license plate that says, "Only God can judge me." on her car. May God have mercy on this innocent child, spawn of an idiot and a demon.

18 posted on 11/07/2002 7:23:31 AM PST by Dutchgirl
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To: KS Flyover
Screw the Carrs and their supporters. They can sit on their laps when the switch is pulled.
19 posted on 11/07/2002 7:24:36 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Musket
What liberal news media?< /sarcasm >
You haven't heard? the libs are gonna reinvent themselves, they are scared that this conservative take over could be a trend.
20 posted on 11/07/2002 7:26:12 AM PST by Rightly Biased
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To: KS Flyover
"I found him to be one of the nicest, polite, kind, warm, giving -- he was the epitome of the finest young man,"

Maybe he was at one time, but kids grow up, he is a sadistic sociopathic miscreant, who diserves far greater and painful punishment than our constitution allows. SOmething he decided his victims were not worthy of. And what is up with his "wife"? She marries him while he is in prison on drug charges, and then he does this, and she wants this sicaphant to have contact with her child? Lady, whar are you thinking? "Oh so that's how you rape the white bitches daddy?" You just need help woman!

21 posted on 11/07/2002 7:27:55 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Blue Screen of Death; Rightly Biased; Musket
The Killing Of Matthew Shepard Was A Free Political Commercial

CBSNBCABCCCNNYTWP have got their knickers hanging out on this one. They covered Winona because she's the same social class as them. ;-)

22 posted on 11/07/2002 7:32:37 AM PST by an amused spectator
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To: an amused spectator
But if we make this crime our "commercial for no hate crime legislation" we are racist nazis..!!
And who would listen anyway but us "kooks" here on FR and maybe a fleeting story on Foxnews once a day.
23 posted on 11/07/2002 7:37:39 AM PST by Rightly Biased
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To: KS Flyover
The fact that one of these evil things has children is all the more reason to rid the world of them. They should have no further chances to corrupt others.
24 posted on 11/07/2002 7:38:09 AM PST by republicman
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To: republicman
--"all the more reason to rid the world of them".--

But then there would be another
"african american child" without a father < / sarcasm >
25 posted on 11/07/2002 7:41:18 AM PST by Rightly Biased
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To: Dutchgirl
--May God have mercy on this innocent child, spawn of an idiot and a demon.--

IMO that mercy should begin with ridding his life of at least one very evil influence. And showing him what happens to people who torture and murder others.
26 posted on 11/07/2002 7:44:04 AM PST by republicman
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To: g'nad
please add me to your ping list...


It's a done deal.

27 posted on 11/07/2002 7:46:09 AM PST by KS Flyover
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To: Rightly Biased
--But then there would be another "african american child" without a father < / sarcasm >--

That's okay, he still has the "village" to raise his brood for him.
28 posted on 11/07/2002 7:46:28 AM PST by republicman
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To: Musket
Hey now that we control EVERYTHING can we banish the Liberal News Media?

Stop buying products from their sponsors and tell them why. It will take a while, but it will work. They can't exist without our financial support.

29 posted on 11/07/2002 7:46:54 AM PST by bankwalker
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To: republicman
I bet the brothers Carr were raised by the perverbial "village" and boy didn't they turn out grand!!!!
30 posted on 11/07/2002 7:54:01 AM PST by Rightly Biased
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To: an amused spectator
Hey an amused spectator,

I apologize for neglecting to add your excellent post to the "Wichita Massacre" links list.

This situation has now been rectified.

31 posted on 11/07/2002 7:58:22 AM PST by KS Flyover
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To: KS Flyover
Do we have here some sort of answer to the age old question,"what do women want?"
32 posted on 11/07/2002 8:00:58 AM PST by arthurus
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To: HamiltonJay
The spawn of these idiot sluts and the pyschopaths who impregnate them are the bane of the nation. Swarming out of the ghettos they prey virtually undetered upon the law abiding populance which subsidizes their very existence. Most of the murder and mayhem is ignored because they rape and pillage other Blacks. Only when a particularly hideous display of depravity and vicousness occurs does a light get reluctantly shown on them.

Much of this evil I blame on the presstitutes which refuse to tell the truth if it cannot be twisted into a politically correct way.

The dumb ole bitch testifying would likely have become a victim when St. Reginald decided he wanted something she had.
33 posted on 11/07/2002 8:01:00 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: arthurus
"Do we have here some sort of answer to the age old question,"what do women want?""

I'm not sure, but I do know that this is one stupid broad.

Mandy Carr knows about the other women. She knows Reginald Carr came to Wichita, stayed with Stephanie Donley, and then went on a weeklong crime spree that ended with his arrest in Donley's apartment.

From 10/18/2002:

Also testifying Thursday was Stephanie Donley, Reginald Carr's girlfriend, in whose apartment stolen property was found when Reginald Carr was arrested. Donley said he stayed with her whenever he was in town and she wasn't working nights.

Donley told jurors she lent Reginald Carr her car the night of the quadruple murders, and didn't see him again until he showed up at 4:30 a.m. the next morning with a lot of property. She had been waiting for him to come home all night.

"I was awake because I was pretty mad," Donley said.

Donley also identified in court the red shorts Reginald Carr was wearing under his jeans just before taking a shower in the apartment. Those are the shorts Foulston contended in her opening arguments were later found to contain traces of Heather Muller's blood.

Donley testified she had a sexual relationship with Reginald Carr, and although she was using birth control pills she asked him to wear condoms. She said he appeared to have a sexually transmitted disease.

Source



Stephanie Donley

34 posted on 11/07/2002 8:23:13 AM PST by KS Flyover
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To: KS Flyover
Donley testified she had a sexual relationship with Reginald Carr, and although she was using birth control pills she asked him to wear condoms. She said he appeared to have a sexually transmitted disease.

WTF???? Is this woman a complete idiot, or only a partial one?

35 posted on 11/07/2002 8:27:11 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: cajungirl; KS Flyover
The truth is that killers, between their killings, can look perfectly fine and
have family and friends.
They are no less dangerous.


Actually that ability of these fellow to be "shape-shifters" in their activities
makes them all the more cunning and dangerous.

Like forensic psychiatrist Park Dietz says, we have about five million sociopathic
criminals in the USA.
The problem is that we only identify and keep about 2-3 million of them locked up in prison.

Thanks to KSFlyover for keeping me updated on events in the town I spent many weekends in,
visiting grandparents...
36 posted on 11/07/2002 8:30:29 AM PST by VOA
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To: ArrogantBustard
Is this woman a complete idiot, or only a partial one

This is about as complete as they come.

37 posted on 11/07/2002 8:47:29 AM PST by KS Flyover
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To: alisasny
Sorry, I could not defend my family member or friend on this one. They would not call me as a defense witness, that is for sure.

If I ever did something like this, my wife would probably insist on pushing the button on the poison pump. And I wouldn't have it any other way...

39 posted on 11/07/2002 9:03:28 AM PST by B-Chan
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To: KS Flyover
Wednesday, Jay Greeno, one of Reginald Carr's lawyers, asked Mandy Carr: "Do you feel he misled you... lied to you?" "Yes," she said.
"Has that affected your relationship?"
"No," Mandy Carr said.

She doesn't care. It was just some white folks. It's not like he did something really nasty, like vote Republican.

40 posted on 11/07/2002 9:04:23 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: KS Flyover
Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out. Psalm 109:13

Why would these people want to visit the sins of the fathers upon their children?

41 posted on 11/07/2002 9:14:47 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: who knows what evil?
. . . Daddy shot a poor little defenseless doggy in cold blood.

My mother, who has been watching the trial, says that they actually beat the dog to death with a golf club while it was leashed and muzzled.

42 posted on 11/07/2002 11:03:58 AM PST by Lassiter
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To: Rightly Biased
But then there would be another "african american child" without a father < / sarcasm >

Sounds to me like they haven't had a father in a while. Besides, no father would be much better than these wastes of skin and organs as fathers.

43 posted on 11/07/2002 11:06:17 AM PST by Lassiter
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To: Lassiter
Reginald Carr also has a 7-year-old son, Devon, from a previous relationship with another woman.

Look, I'm not a lawyer and so there might be subleties that would prevent this, but in terms of punishing Carr, couldn't the state just kill all his children?

44 posted on 11/07/2002 11:15:46 AM PST by daguberment
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To: daguberment
I'm not a lawyer and so there might be subleties that would prevent this, but in terms of punishing Carr, couldn't the state just kill all his children?

God and God alone reserves the right to curse a lineage to the 3rd and 4th generations; He specifically commands us NOT to do this: "The son shall not die for the sin of the father, neither shall the father die for the sin of the son, but let every man die for his OWN sin."

Besides, if we punish the kids for the father's crime, we lose all moral high ground in the fight against reparations.

Still, though, it's a d@#% shame that those victims all died without children, and Carr has already spawned. There's a basic genetic unfairness there. Maybe the survivor, H.G., will compensate by marrying a homeschooling patriarch and having 14 kids in revenge for her friends' extinction.

45 posted on 11/07/2002 11:26:49 AM PST by Rytwyng
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Don't blame these witnesses, they're just stupid.

Blame the SOBs that wrote and printed this piece, 'cause their motives are far, far more devious.

46 posted on 11/07/2002 11:34:32 AM PST by skeeter
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To: daguberment
Look, I'm not a lawyer and so there might be subleties that would prevent this, but in terms of punishing Carr, couldn't the state just kill all his children?

Mr. Carr probably cares very little about his progeny (no doubt they were "accidents"). I'd imagine he'd think you were doing him a favor.

47 posted on 11/07/2002 11:37:11 AM PST by Lassiter
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To: KS Flyover
Please post updates as they are available. And pray this jury has the strength to do the right thing.

Execute this filth.

48 posted on 11/07/2002 3:48:15 PM PST by IronJack
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To: KS Flyover
It's MENTAL MIDGETS on parade!!

Geezzz...this entire debacle is a no-brainer:

These two bro's should have hot coals shoved up their butts. It'll bring them familiarity of what's to come.

Mustang sends.
49 posted on 11/07/2002 4:02:32 PM PST by Mustang
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To: IronJack
One of the more curious racial aspects of this case has been behavior of the girlfriends and estranged wife. As I understand it, all of Reginald Carr's girlfirend's (Stephanie Donley, Rachelle Cossman) and estranged wife Mandy have been defense witnesses or at least (in Donley's case) less- than-willing prosecution witnesses. I gather from the context of discussion on this and other sites that all of the women mentioned above are white. In contrast, Jonathan Carr's black girlfriend, Tronda Adams and her mother Toni Greene were all quite willing to offer condemning testimony. So, to paraphrase a question asked about a year ago by the American Indian columnist David Yaegley: What is it that is creating such idiotic, sexually depraved, immoral, and self-destructive white females?? The black women had no qualms about turning these monsters in, which indicates at least some level of moral responsibility, while the white women are utterly clueless.
50 posted on 11/08/2002 9:43:40 AM PST by Bogolyubski
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