Wichita to revisit brutal slayings as testimony begins

Washington Times ^ | 10/07/02 | Valerie Richardson

[kattracks]

For nearly two years, residents of Wichita, Kan., have tried to push from their minds the image of a young woman, naked and bleeding from a head wound, running for her life across a frozen soccer field.

But beginning today, the memories of "the Wichita horror" will be impossible to escape when testimony begins in the multiple-murder trial of Reginald and Jonathan Carr.

[Texas_Jarhead]

It's hard to believe something like this could get less coverage than the Jesse Dirkhising case but that's the way it appears

[leadpenny]

I'm sure jj and/or fat al are booking reservations to Wichita as I type. Of course they want justice for the victims.

[leadpenny]

Oops! Forgot to close my sarcasm tag. /s

[KantianBurke]

This story should convince any fence sitters to arm themselves. Heavily. And eliminate any hesitation about terminating with extreme prejudice.

[Lion's Cub]

Look what's back...

Think anyone will remember who these people worked for and what was going on at the time? Think anyone will still care?

[chasio649]

Who did they work for...educate me a little...please :)

[gunnedah]

Surprised by major network coverage I shoud say. The press is a prevaricator of facts. It makes its own news and is very creative just like polls.This countrys media is a machine set in place with an agenda.They manipulate facts to get their desired results.It is nothing more than a tool that liberals use to brainwash and hide the truth from the average American.As long as they can sell their garbage they will continue.I refuse to watch or read directly from "The Mainstream Media" product.

[Skywalk]

You know what really surprises me?

I thought it was common knowledge these days that if a criminal goes beyond mere robbery to kidnapping you or demanding you to get in a car AT ALL, that it means DEATH. Do I recall the details of the case correctly when I say that only one of the Carrs had a gun, and there were FIVE FRIGGIN PEOPLE AT THE HOUSE.

WHere were the men when the women were being treated like these scumbags private sextoys? ANd if they were being raped, doesn't that mean that at MOST only one gun was trained on the rest of the victims?

Reminds of that California case...what happened to us that we no longer fight for our lives?

[leadpenny]

I hope one of you folks from fly-over country can keep us updated on this trial. That is, if the perps aren't lynched first.

[KantianBurke]

Hopefully the example set by Todd Beamer and the others on Flight 93 has obliterated that sort of sheep mentality.

[Oak]

I read where Court TV didn't think this was a good trial for National Exposure. If the roles were reversed would Court TV be carrying this trial?

[Lion's Cub]

Brad Heyka was an accountant for Koch Financial Services, a sister company of Koch Petroleum, and Aaron Daniel Sander was a former Koch employee who was planning to become a priest. The murders occured around the time of the California energy crisis. When reporters began to investigate, all of the records were suddenly sealed.

Here are some old threads about it.

THE WICHITA HORROR
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a5fae7b712e.htm

DA, Public Interest Clash Over Records (Wichita multiple murder)
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a6127822d4c.htm

Scott McConnell: "Unfit to Print"
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a5bb8947513.htm

I always get suspicious when parole boards just happen to parole people who obviously shouldn't be paroled--and then those parolees just happen to randomly murder people that investigators might want to talk to about an energy crises...

[chasio649]

Thank you sir.... I appreciate your effort! :)

[Lion's Cub]

FYI

[KS Flyover]

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/100602/kan_carr.shtml

Gruesome photos admissible, judge rules

Carrs: Arguments get under way Monday in multiple murder trial
10/5/2002
By Roxana Hegeman - The Associated Press

WICHITA -- A judge ruled Friday that jurors can see gruesome crime scene and autopsy photos in the multiple murder trial of Jonathan and Reginald Carr. The brothers stood quietly behind their attorneys and looked intently at the evidence, presented Friday by prosecutors to defense attorneys and Sedgwick County District Judge Paul Clark.

The hearing was designed to give defense attorneys a chance to object.

The judge gave an hour apiece to the prosecution and each brother's defense team to present their opening arguments Monday. He told them jurors will also be allowed to take notes during the trial.

Ron Evans, attorney for 22-year-old Jonathan Carr, objected to the introduction of many crime scene and autopsy photos, saying they were gruesome. John Val Wachtel, attorney for 24-year-old Reginald Carr, joined in the objections.

The defense attorneys also wanted to exclude photos of their clients being taken into jail and what they called prejudicial photos showing the victims while they were alive. They also objected to including a photo of a dog killed the night of the attacks.

The Carrs are facing a combined 113 counts -- including capital murder, kidnapping, robbery, burglary, rape and criminal sodomy, among other crimes. Both brothers face the same 55 charges. In addition, Reginald faces three additional charges related to being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm.

Prosecutors say the crime spree began Dec. 7 when the Carrs abducted a man from a convenience store and robbed him. On Dec. 11, they are charged with repeatedly shooting 55-year-old Ann Walenta in a robbery outside her home. She later died.

The night of Dec. 14, prosecutors contend, the Carrs entered a Wichita home and abducted the five people they found inside, robbed them, forced them to perform sex on each other and raped two women before shooting them all execution-style in a soccer field early the next morning.

Four of them died, but one woman survived. In her dramatic testimony during a preliminary hearing last year, the lone survivor identified Jonathan Carr as one of their attackers but was unable to identify the other attacker.

The victim of an earlier armed robbery identified Reginald Carr as one of the two men who had robbed him days earlier. The man testified during last year's preliminary hearing that he recognized Carr after seeing a televised story about Carr's arrest for the quadruple homicides.

Prosecutors are expected to present DNA evidence, among other things, to tie the brothers to the crimes.

Defense attorneys have questioned the validity of that DNA evidence in earlier hearings.

[KS Flyover]

"Wichita Horror" Posts:

Killing Suspect Just Out of Jail - 01/01/2001
Scott McConnell: "Unfit to Print" - 01/10/2001
THE WICHITA HORROR - 01/13/2001
DA, Public Interest Clash Over Records (Wichita multiple murder) - 01/13/2001
Court seals case files in Wichita quadruple homicides - 01/14/2001
Lawyer asks to close pretrial proceedings (Update on The Wichita Horror) - 01/17/2001
Lawyers brawl over records (Wichita Horror/Quadruple Homicide) - 01/27/2001
BLOODY KANSAS: HATE CRIMES IN WICHITA? - 02/12/2001
Hate Crimes: A One-Way Street? - 03/05/2001
Carrs (Wichita Horror) to have joint preliminary hearing - 04/14/2001
The Wichita Massacre - 07/16/2002
BLACK RACISM: THE HATE CRIME THAT DARE NOT SPEAK ITS NAME - 07/16/2002
'Wichita Horror' trial to begin - 09/09/2002
Court TV to air 'Wichita horror' - 09/18/2002
Wichita Massacre Trial Media Blackout - 09/27/2002

Jonathan (left) and Reginald Carr

Four of the victims (clockwise from top left):
Jason Befort, Heather Muller, Aaron Sander, Bradley Heyka

The fifth murder victim: Linda Walenta

Matt Drudge said on his radio show last night that he will be posting links to any story he can find that relates to this trial.

I would like to start a "Ping List" for this trial. Anybody interested in following the "Wichita Horror" proceedings who wants on the list, please let me know.

[alfa6]

Thanks for the ping. Please include me on anything you find regarding this trial and I will do likewise. Busy two weeks at work so I will definetly appreciatte your efforts.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

[dennisw]

Please put me on this ping list...thanks.

[Judith Anne]

Yes. I'd like very much to be pinged. I have family in Wichita.

[KS Flyover]

You got it, alfa6.

[KS Flyover]

Got you two on the list. Thanks

[AK2KX]

Please add me to the ping list too.

Thanks.

[sheik yerbouty]

Thirty years of the cancer called "political correctness."

[sheik yerbouty]

I'm in. This horrendous crime should not remain hidden.

[TroutStalker]

Thanks for the flag. Please keep me on your list. Anything I come across will come to your attention.

[KS Flyover]

Got ya added.

"This horrendous crime should not remain hidden."

You are so right. I was glad to hear Drudge going off about it last night vowing to give this case all the exposure he possibly can.

[KS Flyover]

Will do, TroutStalker.

[republicman]

Please put me on that list too

[republicman]

"I hate to see young black men go through this," the man said during jury selection. But Sedgwick County Judge Paul Clark refused to dismiss him, citing the U.S. Supreme Court precedent in Batson vs. Kentucky, which bars courts from striking black jurors on the assumption that they would favor black defendants.

That's frigging outrageoues! The guy practically admitted his bias, it wasn't an assumption!

There better not be any OJ let-them-go because-they're-black crap on this one, no way!

[KS Flyover]

Done deal!

[DWSUWF]

"...This story should convince any fence sitters to arm themselves. Heavily. And eliminate any hesitation about terminating with extreme prejudice..."

I don't think that anyone with an IQ above that of a slice of buttered toast has any doubts about the TWEP thing...

The issue I wrestle with is whether or not to invest in the education and equipment I'd need to set up the 'Dr. Frankenstien' type lab required to bring the bastards back to life so that I could kill them twice.

[ZOOKER]

Put me on your ping list too, please.

I drive past the Soccer Field nearly every day on my way into town, and it always gives me pause.

I'm really double-minded about calling this a hate crime. Of course it is --- the victims were selected because of their color, then humiliated, abused, terrorized and ultimately executed. Yes, they were robbed as well --- but didn't the SS collect gold teeth and jewelry from their victims at the death camps? Does that make them thieves instead of murderers? No they were murderers first, and thieves on the side.

OTOH, a "hate crime" designation will attract the NAACP, JJ and the Rev. Al. There's little if any sympathy for the Carrs here now, their only hope for sympathy is from outsiders who don't know them for the animals they are. I fear that JJ and his "amen chorus" will generate a national outcry for "justice". I prefer the local brand of justice for these two.

[Korth]

what happened to us that we no longer fight for our lives?

The threat of punishment hanging over your head if you defend yourself is a large part of what happened. You can be punished for defending yourself from criminals in any part of the country now. In Arizona it was once unheard of to prosecute anyone who was defending himself against criminals, but it happens fairly often now.

[Korth]

I would like to start a "Ping List" for this trial. Anybody interested in following the "Wichita Horror" proceedings who wants on the list, please let me know.

Please put me on that ping list.

[KSApplePie_two]

Pleade add me to your ping list. Thanks.

[KSApplePie_two]

Just listened to the 911 dispatch call from the survivor. So sad.

If anyone is in the Wichita area you can listen to the trial live on 1240 am radio or ch. 51 & 52 on cable.

[KS Flyover]

I've got you added to the ping list.

[Fred Mertz]

Please add me to your Wichita Horror ping list. Thank you.

[KS Flyover]

Done

[Skywalk]

But come on, in any of those kidnapping cases, if the guy ends up dead(whether by action of the girl or an adult) they're going to press charges?

Or if these people had fought back before being raped, heck before being kidnapped, and killed these two animals they'd be charged? I don't believe so, this ain't England yet.

I can see if it were simple burglary-chase situation but this was obviously not that.

[gcruse]

Please add me to your Carr trial ping list. Thanks!

[republicman]

Done deal!

Thanks!

[Godel]

It's hard to believe something like this could get less coverage than the Jesse Dirkhising case but that's the way it appears

Why, if you're white your life doesnt matter. If a black person is killed, every black person in the country will fight for them. If a mexican is killed, every mexican will fight for them. If a homosexual is killed, every homosexual will fight for them. If a white person is killed, no one cares, because whites have been brainwashed into believing that looking out for themselves is racist/evil. As a result every group protects itself except whites, they become the perfect victim of both crime and discrimination.

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

BTTT

[Rainbow Rising]

Please put me on your ping list. Thank you.

[KS Flyover]

Got ya on it.

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

"I hope one of you folks from fly-over country can keep us updated on this trial. That is, if the perps aren't lynched first."

We don't dare lynch them or jj and fat al will be in our town for sure and I could not stand that kind of stench here.