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Congressman Ron Paul on Homeland Security
Association of American Physicians and Surgeons ^ | November 13, 2002 | Congressman Ron Paul

Posted on 11/14/2002 10:08:12 PM PST by FormerLurker

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1 posted on 11/14/2002 10:08:12 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Oops.. you mean congressman. :)
2 posted on 11/14/2002 10:12:07 PM PST by lainie
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To: FormerLurker
Would that he were a senator.
3 posted on 11/14/2002 10:13:07 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: lainie
Oh man, I knew I shouldn't have hit the post button so quick..

Maybe Congressman Paul would like to be a Senator? :)

4 posted on 11/14/2002 10:13:47 PM PST by FormerLurker
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I have but one request. When you people begin criticizing Ron Paul, please quote the passage of the article that you take issue with.
5 posted on 11/14/2002 10:14:18 PM PST by Schmedlap
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Er, I sort of messed up. Could you edit the title to indicate that Congressman Paul is a Congressman and not a Senator? Thanks...
6 posted on 11/14/2002 10:15:02 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Misterioso
Would that he were a senator.

That WOULD be nice...

7 posted on 11/14/2002 10:16:13 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Schmedlap
if Klintoon were suggesting a department of government with the potential for tyrany as does homeland security there would be much opposition, with this crowd we are asking for it. I trust neither.
8 posted on 11/14/2002 10:19:27 PM PST by RS_Rider
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To: FormerLurker
We need 434 more like him in Congress.

Homeland defense begins at our borders and then rooting out those who are in are country who shouldn't be.  The federal government already has the power for that.

More armed federal agents with expanded powers is about the last thing we need.


9 posted on 11/14/2002 10:19:31 PM PST by WarHawk42
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To: RS_Rider
tyrany = tyranny
10 posted on 11/14/2002 10:21:01 PM PST by RS_Rider
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To: AAABEST; Lion's Cub; spycatcher
Ok, other than the fact I just promoted Congressman Paul to Senator, what are your thoughts?
11 posted on 11/14/2002 10:21:06 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: RS_Rider
tyrany = tyranny = homeland security = government rewarding itself for massive failure
12 posted on 11/14/2002 10:22:54 PM PST by RS_Rider
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To: FormerLurker
Have You seen Safire's article on Poindexter & the Office of Information & Awareness? ( or something to that effect.)
I thought I was the only one in Freeperland that was opposed to the Homeland (Fatherland) Security Act, but I see several posts here that echo my concerns.

Hopefully enough americans will wake up to see the folly of this "Security enhancement legislation".

13 posted on 11/14/2002 10:27:26 PM PST by Drammach
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To: FormerLurker
War is the health of the state
14 posted on 11/14/2002 10:27:49 PM PST by The FRugitive
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To: WarHawk42
Homeland defense begins at our borders and then rooting out those who are in are country who shouldn't be. The federal government already has the power for that.

Though they have the authority, they don't exercise it. Why should we allow them to expand their powers when they don't use what they already have?

...

A GAO investigation has uncovered MASSIVE fraud in the immigration system, and has reported that it is RAMPANT and "out of control". Yet NO enforcement action apparently has been taken.

From Immigration fraud 'out of control' - General Accounting Office slams INS for rampant problems

"The General Accounting Office has concluded that immigration fraud is rampant, even helping to open the door for terrorism, and that the Immigration and Naturalization Service has no idea how to get it under control."

In the Goverment Executive Magazine article, INS, GAO say immigration benefit fraud is pervasive , it is said that;

"The agency does not know the extent of the fraud, and has failed to provide its field offices with guidance in two key areas: how to conduct investigations of fraud and how to use technology to manage and share information about ongoing cases, the January report said. The INS, which has four service centers and 33 district offices that process applications and petitions for benefits, also hasn’t developed performance measures to use in offices responsible for investigating fraud, GAO said."

15 posted on 11/14/2002 10:28:30 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Anyone begining to feel a little boxed in?
16 posted on 11/14/2002 10:31:19 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: FormerLurker
He also wants to bring home all our soldiers and open the borders. You agree?
17 posted on 11/14/2002 10:31:48 PM PST by Deb
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To: Drammach
Have You seen Safire's article on Poindexter & the Office of Information & Awareness? ( or something to that effect.) I thought I was the only one in Freeperland that was opposed to the Homeland (Fatherland) Security Act, but I see several posts here that echo my concerns.

I've seen the New York Times article in relation to that. You might want to click below for that story..

Pentagon Plans a Computer System That Would Peek at Personal Data of Americans

Additional information is provided below;


From the High Priests of the Technocracy: The Information Awareness Office;

Now, last, but definitely not least, if you thought the logo for the Babylon project was good (used to be here, but it has been removed, see google cache), wait until you see the logo for the Information Awareness Office. Yes, friends, that's the, "All Seeing Eye" of Illuminated Free Masonry's fame. Yes, the same one that's on the back of your one dollar bills. These guys are out of the closet now. They're in control, they know it and they're not afraid to show it. The Latin phrase below the symbol, "Scientia Est Potentia," means, "Knowledge is Power." Also, notice the part of the world that's indicated in the symbol, Central Asia, the region which has been targeted for imperial occupation because of its rich oil and natural gas deposits.

TR submitted this very interesting information:

Subject: Scientia est potentia

These guys at the Information Awareness Office either don't know their Latin very well, or they are being blantantly evil.

Potentia means power but it has the connotation of unconstitutional private power. Power attained by private means and used for personal ends. What they should say is "Potestas." This is power attained by and for the public good. As in this famous quote by Francis Bacon: Ipsa scientia potestas est. Knowledge itself is power.

In my copy of the "New College Latin and English Dictionary" potentia is defined as: "force, power; political power (esp. unconstitutional power)". Whereas potestas is defined as: "power, abililty, capacity; public authority, rule, magisterial power; possibility, opportunity, permission..."

So by saying "Scientia est potentia" they're just coming out and saying, "Knowledge is unconstitutional political power for a few private individuals." Sounds about right to me. Maybe they do know their Latin after all.


18 posted on 11/14/2002 10:36:12 PM PST by FormerLurker
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"...what are your thoughts?"

We already have INS, Border Patrol, Coast Guard, CIA, FBI, a Defense Department, ATF, DEA, and local, county, and state law enforcement agencies. If the Department of Homeland Security were to simply create a mechanism of facilitating cooperation and coordination among these agencies, then great. The root of our woes with terrorism is that the INS hasn't done its job, the Border Patrol and Coast Guard can't do their jobs, the DEA is wasting its time, the ATF is useless and should be abolished, and the CIA was destroyed by liberal politicians. My thoughts? Give agencies the leadership and support to do their jobs. Put in place a mechanism for them to cooperate and coordinate their actions. The only role that the legislators need to play in this is to allocate funding.
19 posted on 11/14/2002 10:36:36 PM PST by Schmedlap
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To: Deb
He also wants to bring home all our soldiers and open the borders. You agree?

Show me where he wants to open our borders.

20 posted on 11/14/2002 10:37:43 PM PST by FormerLurker
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