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"Think before you Judge-Two Tough Questions" (interesting letter)
na ^ | 1999 | Anonymous

Posted on 12/01/2002 2:55:14 PM PST by zapiks44

TWO TOUGH QUESTIONS:

Question 1: If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis; would you recommend that she have an abortion?

Read the next question before scrolling down to the answer of this one.

Question 2: It is time to elect a new world leader, and your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three leading candidates:

* Candidate A: Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologists. He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

* Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whisky every evening.

* Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any extramarital affairs.

Which of these candidates would be your choice? Decide first, no peeking, then scroll down for the answer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt Candidate B is Winston Churchill Candidate C is Adolph Hitler

And by the way: Answer to the abortion question - if you said yes, you just killed Beethoven.

Pretty interesting isn't it? Makes a person think before judging someone.


TOPICS: Free Republic; Miscellaneous; Unclassified; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: judgement
This letter has been going around the net for quite a few years. I haven't seen it on FR yet, so I thought I'd post it. Really makes you think.
1 posted on 12/01/2002 2:55:14 PM PST by zapiks44
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To: zapiks44
I see what you mean..

Roosevelt or Hitler?

Now that is a toughie.

2 posted on 12/01/2002 3:01:42 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: zapiks44
One never knews...

Consider this: If Monica had not gone down on Bill, Al might be President today. Hmmmmm......
3 posted on 12/01/2002 3:01:49 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Jhoffa_
HAHAHA....lol
4 posted on 12/01/2002 3:06:59 PM PST by krb
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To: TomGuy
Al Gore would be president today if he had led a group of democrats to kick Clinton out of office. He did not do the right thing when it was presented to him, therefore he will never be president. IMO
6 posted on 12/01/2002 3:12:42 PM PST by glm
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To: You Know Not The Hour
NO..think what is being said is that WE JUST DON'T GET THE CHANCE TO VOTE OUR DESIRES....under ANY circumstance..
7 posted on 12/01/2002 3:15:00 PM PST by litehaus
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To: zapiks44
It's pretty easy if you can leave a few things out like Hitler being a whack job--- OR Algore....uh let's not go there.
8 posted on 12/01/2002 3:15:58 PM PST by Mark
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To: You Know Not The Hour
I'm guessing that we are meant to consider only a leaders actions and not hold his vices against him without considering his strengths. Some people have so much to offer that they contribute greatly despite their screwups. Others follow all the rules but contribute nothing good.
9 posted on 12/01/2002 3:21:18 PM PST by moodyskeptic
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To: glm
LOL! The funny part is that the Clintons are stabbing the Bore in the back. That is just another reason why Albore should never be President; he actually think that the Clintons are honorable people. And, he is still brown-nosing them. Can you imagine how much he would be brown-nosing Bin Laden?
10 posted on 12/01/2002 3:52:32 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: zapiks44
bump
11 posted on 12/01/2002 3:59:19 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: zapiks44
The questions posed today are viewed with a mindset alien to the circumstances of those times.

The answers would be considered by our contemporary thought processes and, in Beethovan's case ... well, most geniuses are considered nuts anyway, so let the lady have her fun.

12 posted on 12/01/2002 4:16:19 PM PST by knarf
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To: zapiks44
"...Really makes you think..."

Not really.

Question 2 was a sophmoric sort of parlor game, the attributes listed were cherry picked and incomplete...

"Garbage in Garbage out"

With regard to Question 1, what's to 'think about'?

Murder's murder.

13 posted on 12/01/2002 6:03:14 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: zapiks44
* Candidate C (Adolph Hitler): He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any extramarital affairs.

But unfortunately, you either conveniently (or possibly unknowingly) left out a few facts:

Hitler also delved into using mind-altering drugs, worshiped satanism and the occult, and could change his personality and temperment at the drop of a hat.

Pick up a book called "Rule By Secrecy" and learn more about him, the Teutonic Knights and Knights Templar's plans for world domination. Scary part is, it's still on-line to happen.

14 posted on 12/01/2002 8:36:43 PM PST by SlightOfTongue
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To: SlightOfTongue
For more info about Hitler's occult and deviant beliefs read Scott Lively and Abram's "Pink Swastika" - a great book. (Mistake above - Hitler had affairs plus he was a pervert of various kinds.)
15 posted on 12/02/2002 12:52:01 AM PST by First Amendment
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To: zapiks44
World leaders are just human beings,(and not robots )after all

Heck, nobody's perfect
17 posted on 12/02/2002 9:20:14 AM PST by The Pheonix
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To: pram
Danke! (heh,heh)
18 posted on 12/02/2002 9:48:35 AM PST by SlightOfTongue
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To: zapiks44
It hardly seems worthwhile to mention this, because a lie goes around the world three times before the truth has pulled its boots on . . . but this entire thing is a fabrication, only loosely if at all based upon the facts. Different versions are going around the net, with the added "facts" that the mother was unmarried or illegitimate, that the father was insane, that both were unemployed or the mother was a "servant girl", etc. etc.

Here are the facts: Maria Magdelena Keverich Laym was a widow when she married Johann van Beethoven. Her husband and infant had both died, but nobody knows why (lots of possibilities in those days). In 1796 she gave birth to her first child with Johann, a son, but he died shortly after birth. (Again, nobody knows why, but lots of babies died.) Beethoven was born next - therefore he was his mother's third child, not the 9th. His brother Kaspar was next, who died in 1815 of tuberculosis. Next Nikolaus Johann, who died in 1848 of old age. Three more children were born but all died very young, causes unknown.

Beethoven's mother died of tuberculosis (in 1787), Beethoven's father probably of a heart attack complicated by alcoholism (in 1792). Chemical tests on Beethoven's hair have shown no mercury, therefore he probably did not have syphilis as has been rumored (mercury being the standard treatment in those days.) He was just a grouch (which is O.K. - he was an immensely talented grouch).

Beethoven's father WAS an alcoholic, and went downhill steadily after his wife's death, but at the time of Beethoven's birth he was gainfully employed as a court musician for the Electors of Cologne in Bonn, as his father had been before him. Johann's wife was the daughter of the overseer of the kitchens for the Elector of Treves at Ehrenbreitstein, which is probably the basis for the dismissive comment of Ludwig v. Beethoven (sr.), her prospective father-in-law, that she was a "chambermaid" (he was opposed to the marriage). Of course this was not true & sprang more from spite than anything else - her family were well-to-do bourgeois and no more "servants" than Ludwig Beethoven Sr. was because he was Kapellmeister to the Elector.

For further reading:

Schmidt-Görg, J. Beethoven und die Geschichte seiner Familie (J. Beethoven & the History of his Family) (Bonn, 1964).

Probably more than you ever wanted to know about L.v.B.'s family, but I finally got annoyed enough to say something about this travesty. As if there weren't enough people in history with REAL family and medical problems . . .

19 posted on 12/02/2002 12:55:46 PM PST by AnAmericanMother
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To: AnAmericanMother
eeep . . . innumeracy (or typo) rides again . . . L.v.B.'s elder brother who died at six days was born in 1769, not 1796.

Also forgot to mention that there's nothing about blindness or mental retardation in the family. Beethoven had his ups and downs with his two surviving brothers, and they sometimes acted in what he considered an improper way (mostly in imprudent marriages, in both cases), but neither was mentally defective. Nikolaus Johann did have an appalling squint, but he wasn't blind.

20 posted on 12/02/2002 1:22:57 PM PST by AnAmericanMother
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To: Jhoffa_
... Roosevelt or Hitler?

Now that is a toughie....

Hitler massacred Europe.
Roosevelt gave half of the remnant to Stalin.
Then Stalin massacred Russia.

The safest route is to always vote "None Of The Above".

21 posted on 12/03/2002 10:17:32 AM PST by XLurk
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To: You Know Not The Hour
"Do you mean to say that we shouldn't consider dishonesty, disloyalty, emotional immaturity, and addiction when considering our leaders?"

Well,... we haven't thus far....

22 posted on 12/03/2002 10:27:20 AM PST by MissMillie
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To: zapiks44
As Beethoven had only three brothers (no sisters), the posted article must not have been very well researched.

23 posted on 12/03/2002 10:36:13 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Correction: Beethoven's family

Ludwig Maria (died after 6 days)
Ludwig
Kasper Karl
Johann
Anna Maira Franzika (died after 2 days)
Franz Gerog (lived only two years)
Maria Margaretha Josepha (lived only 1-2 years)

No mention of sibling blindness in the Beethoven biography.

24 posted on 12/03/2002 10:40:36 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Also note: Hitler did have extra marital affairs. He had an incestuous relationship with his half sister, and only became a vegetarian after he allegedly discovered her body, when she committed suicide "for love of him".

Churchill was also a decorated war veteran, having participated in the cavalry charge at Omdurman. He was armed with a broomhandle mauser instead of the usual sabre because of a shoulder injury.

Of the 3 I prefer Churchill, on the whole.
25 posted on 12/03/2002 8:52:20 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: donmeaker
Well, Winnie did get a couple of Nobel Prizes.
26 posted on 12/03/2002 8:54:08 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Paul Atreides
Has Al Gore had the balls and/or brains to tell Bill Clinton,

"Either you resign, or I will."

His place in history and in the Oval Office would have become instantly assured. I have heard he even thought about it, but was sweet-talked out of it by one William Blythe Jefferson Clinton.

I reckon Papa Gore (the one who lived off Commie Bribes from Armand Hammer) never told little Al, "Never trust a man whose middle initials are B.J."

27 posted on 12/04/2002 2:55:22 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Paul Atreides
Has Al Gore had the balls and/or brains to tell Bill Clinton,

"Either you resign, or I will."

His place in history and in the Oval Office would have become instantly assured. I have heard he even thought about it, but was sweet-talked out of it by one William Blythe Jefferson Clinton. I also heard he was sure WGJC was sure to be Guilty as impeached, and he would become President that way.

I reckon Papa Gore (the one who lived off Commie Bribes from Armand Hammer) never told little Al, "Never trust a man whose middle initials are B.J."

28 posted on 12/04/2002 2:57:17 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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