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Bambi's Mother in the Cross Hairs
The New York Times ^ | 12/02/02 | staff

Posted on 12/02/2002 8:47:38 AM PST by ppaul

Very few people like the idea of shooting Bambi's mother. But there may be no better way to slow the rapid expansion of deer populations that are devastating ecosystems in many areas of the country.

At least 20 million white-tailed deer are ranging the nation at the moment, a huge jump from only 500,000 in 1900, according to a recent report by Andrew C. Revkin in The Times. They plunder farm crops and alter the ecology of forests by eating the low-lying vegetation and destroying the seedlings needed for new growth. In the process, they displace many smaller animals from their habitat. Deer also plunder suburban gardens, help spread Lyme and livestock diseases, and cause an astonishing number of highway accidents. Each year more than a million deer are hit by vehicles, and while the deer are the biggest losers, the accidents kill more than 100 people and cost more than $1 billion for repairs.

Unfortunately, there is no easy way to control a fast-growing population of animals that have few natural predators in most of the range they inhabit. The option preferred by many animal welfare groups — birth control darts or oral contraceptives — may work in self-contained environments like islands but are less effective when deer can roam freely. Sharpshooters have culled the deer in some localities, but they are often unwelcome in crowded neighborhoods. Capturing and moving the deer can be expensive and very stressful for the animals, who often die shortly after release. High fences and repellents can keep the deer out of specific properties but are impractical over large areas. Poisons and germs are too indiscriminate. Large predators like wolves might help stabilize the deer population, but most citizens would not regard importing such beasts as a good tradeoff.

Hunting seems like the best option in rural areas. It is certainly the most cost-effective method of deer control, since the hunters provide their labor free. Ideally, hunters should be encouraged to kill does rather than bucks, despite the resistance from those hoping for an antlered trophy. New Jersey has slowly cut its deer population to some 150,000 to 170,000 animals, wildlife officials say, largely by changing its hunting rules to allow more deer to be shot and to promote the shooting of does.

New York is home to more than a million deer, probably double the number a decade and a half ago. Although the state offers incentives to shoot females, deer have reached nuisance densities in many parts of the lower Hudson Valley and western New York. State experts estimate that in those areas, 40 percent of the adult does would have to be killed each year to keep deer numbers from continuing to explode.

In rural or forested areas, if the damage becomes too great, hunting of does will need to be expanded. But in suburban communities where hunting may be too dangerous, the answers are less obvious, and people who regard deer as very large vermin are pitted against those who admire these graceful wild creatures and feel humans should simply adjust. Concern over more traffic accidents and Lyme disease is pitted against the specter of hired marksmen piling up the bodies of surplus does. Neither alternative is desirable, but as the deer population continues to explode, suburban residents may have to opt for one or the other.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bambi; deer; deermeat; ecology; ecosystem; environment; environmentalwackos; firearms; forests; game; guncontrol; guns; hunters; hunting; huntingseason; meat; nature; outdoors; overpopulation; shooting; sports; venison; wildlife
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To: TexVet
Hey, come on up to Washington - we have an explosion in the mountain lion population of late, the Anointed having illegalized dog and bait hunting of those animals a couple of years ago. Now the mountain lions have discovered another delicacy - granola-munching hikers! It is very, very difficult not to have a certain sympathy for the mountain lions in this case...
41 posted on 12/02/2002 10:24:43 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Here is another consideration: kids are probably more into computers now than hunting. That may or may not be a significant factor. Also, paintball games, silly as it might sound, might be diverting possible hunters as well. Then there was the ban on bad-looking single-fire rifles.

However, those two factors you mentioned are big reasons: harsh hunting regs, and fewer predators. It might seem abrupt, but don't forget the foaming-at-the-mouth wackos that Clinton unleashed in the EPA for 8 years. They grabbed up all kinds of land by hook or crook.

42 posted on 12/02/2002 10:24:44 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: EggsAckley
LOL! Funny pic. =]
43 posted on 12/02/2002 10:27:23 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: RightResponse
Yes.
44 posted on 12/02/2002 10:31:15 AM PST by Darksheare
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To: ppaul
Every year around deer season I get somebody to bite on one tired old gag of mine... some kindhearted soul will find out that I'm a hunter and as me, "You don't really kill Bambi, do you?".

"Of course not," is my reply. "My grandfather killed Bambi nearly 50 years ago for Chrissake!"

45 posted on 12/02/2002 10:35:46 AM PST by Kenton
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To: egarvue
"...you can't really go wrong with jerky."

Now, that would make a good bumper-sticker! ;^)
46 posted on 12/02/2002 10:56:03 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: ppaul
My parents live in the quintessential NJ suburbs. There is maybe 2-3 acres of woods nearby. The deer that live in those woods are no longer afraid of humans. If I run through the woods, they don't run from me.

A little hunting is in order.
47 posted on 12/02/2002 11:46:07 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: lds23
I'd love to shoot every single Canadian goose I come across.
48 posted on 12/02/2002 11:47:33 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: per loin
If you are right, and it is really 1910, I'm going on a real estate buying binge. My descendents, living in 2002, will be incredibly rich as a result of my shrewd selections.

Guess I need to read twice before posting. Still .... it does seem like there are a lot more deer around, even if it is 2002 and not 1910. And sorry, about your descendants, guess they'll have to work for a living after all LOL.

49 posted on 12/02/2002 11:51:45 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: RightResponse
I was as shocked as you were. A pro-hunting position on the New York Times op-ed. Just wait till the reader mail backlash tomorrow.
50 posted on 12/02/2002 11:59:28 AM PST by tcostell
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To: pabianice
This in the New Marx Times? AARRGGHH! My heart!

I have the explanation for this article. You remember the old saying, "A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged"? Well, this is the same thing. A hunting advocate is a liberal who hit a deer on the roads of Westchester County and totalled his BMW while he was commuting to his job at the New York Times. Now he's all outraged and horrified and wants all the deer killed. Typical.

51 posted on 12/02/2002 1:38:16 PM PST by Capriole
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To: Capriole
LOL!
52 posted on 12/02/2002 1:45:14 PM PST by RKV
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To: ppaul
Venison is good as a sausage or in a chili, but too gamey if done as steaks, roast or meatloaf.
53 posted on 12/02/2002 1:48:19 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: RKV
Never heard of a shotgun or a muzzleloader?

Not to mention bows, long, compound and cross. Cross bows would seem an excellent choice for smokepole types wanting to "convert". They don't tend to wake up the suburbanites either. Out of hearing, out of mind is another factor.

54 posted on 12/02/2002 3:07:07 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Some of us don't want to convert - but going covert sounds like a good option:)
55 posted on 12/02/2002 3:08:36 PM PST by RKV
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To: RKV
I guess it would be too much to ask to legalize "silencers" so that the noise wouldn't bother the neighbors, would it? Probably, but wouldn't it be fun to watch the gun grabbers argue against it? Of course suppressors are actually *required* on at least some ranges in Finnland, and it doesn't seem to have set off a wave of gangland style shootings.
56 posted on 12/02/2002 3:10:53 PM PST by El Gato
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To: RKV
Some of us don't want to convert - but going covert sounds like a good option:)

I actually meant something more like branching out, getting more hunting time and taking more deer each year.

57 posted on 12/02/2002 3:13:35 PM PST by El Gato
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To: ppaul
"...more than 1 billion for repairs."

I would bet that the number is significantly higher than that.

One of my drivers came in 2 weeks ago with the left front of my Peterbilt caved in. Hit a deer going about 60mph, and did $14,000. in damage. Incredibly, the deer got up and ran off.

That little incident will cost me about $3,000. out of pocket, and I don't even get to eat off it.

58 posted on 12/02/2002 3:18:16 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: RKV
Try that again

I guess it would be too much to ask to legalize "silencers" so that the noise wouldn't bother the neighbors, would it?

Probably, but wouldn't it be fun to watch the gun grabbers argue against it? Of course suppressors are actually *required* on at least some ranges in Finnland, and it doesn't seem to have set off a wave of gangland style shootings.

59 posted on 12/02/2002 3:18:25 PM PST by El Gato
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