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Sins of the Fathers hidden by cardinal are laid bare at last (CHURCH SCANDAL UPDATE)
The Sunday Telegraph ^ | December 8, 2002 | Julian Coman

Posted on 12/07/2002 5:34:38 PM PST by MadIvan

The sex, drugs and paedophilia scandal in the heart of the US Catholic Church has brought the Boston archdiocese to the edge of ruin, reports Julian Coman

Leo Inzaghi, the manager of the Caffe dello Sport in Boston's Italian district, stopped reading the local newspapers last week. As a practising Catholic and a father, he found their contents too shocking.

"My wife telephoned me and said, 'Have you seen what the Church knew about Father Nyhan?' It turned out that the priest at the private school where we sent our daughter was transferred there after being accused of molesting two little girls in another town. People are calling for our cardinal to resign in disgrace and that's exactly what he should do."

Mr Inzaghi is not the only Boston Catholic shaking his head in disbelief. Last Monday a court order, vainly contested by the Church, allowed lawyers acting for local abuse claimants against the archdiocese to publish secret memorandums and personnel files concerning 65 priests. Many bear the personal handwriting of Cardinal Bernard Law.

As a result, two million Catholics in the archdiocese of Boston are finding out what senior figures in the Church knew about a string of scandals over 30 years.

The American Catholic Church was already in crisis because of nationwide allegations of sexual abuse of children by clergy. In Boston, a city founded by Irish, Italian and Polish Catholics, the latest revelations have brought the archdiocese to the brink of financial and moral collapse.

Three thousand pages - from 11,000 - have so far been released, mainly dealing with eight priests. They reveal patterns of drug abuse, physical violence, kept mistresses and paedophilia.

They also document the strenuous efforts of senior Church officials to buy the silence of victims and transfer miscreant priests to parishes and jobs where their history was not suspected.

In an informal poll, a majority of Boston priests said that Cardinal Law should resign. A decision on whether the archdiocese should file for bankruptcy, to mitigate the effects of more than 450 pending lawsuits, is likely to be made by the cardinal next week.

In the words of one churchgoer, the papers have carried the city's Catholics "beyond outrage to a feeling that nobody knows how to name".

One priest, Richard Buntel, was known to local youth as "Father Pothead" and the "Blow King". Fr Buntel was reported by fellow priests to the archdiocese in 1983, amid allegations that he was distributing cocaine to young parishioners in the small Massachusetts town of Malden. Nothing was done.

Eleven years later he was accused of performing sex acts in exchange for cocaine. A secret payment of $55,000 was made to a young man. In 1999 Fr Buntel, after a period on "administrative leave", was transferred to another parish.

In 1993, the Church was told by James Foley - until last Thursday the associate pastor at St Joseph's church in Salem - that he had fathered two children with a woman who later died of a drug overdose while she was with him.

The priest, summoned to an interview with Cardinal Law to answer allegations of affairs with other women, confessed that he fled the house and failed to call for emergency help in time.

Notes taken during the meeting read: "Had two children in '65 and relationships married women . . . overdosed while he was present . . . started to faint . . . left came back . . . she died . . . a sister knows."

Fr Foley later wrote in a letter to the archdiocese: "Who will reveal it? The cardinal? Myself? A family member? Whoever knew the truth would not have waited 27 years.

How can the Church suffer scandal from an episode that will never possibly be revealed." Fr Foley was suspended last week as soon as the papers became public.

Fr Thomas Forry was found by Church authorities to have thrown a housekeeper downstairs after an argument and to have had an 11-year relationship with a married woman. Fr Forry was also alleged to have sexually abused her son. He retired last year.

More then $2 million was paid out in secret settlements to protect Robert Burns, accused of molesting six young men in Boston between 1982 and 1991. Before that, Fr Burns had spent a year at a therapy centre for priests.

According to a letter sent to the Vatican by Cardinal Law, he was allowed back into a Boston parish having given "solemn assurance of his ability to control his impulses".

Fr Burns left the Church in 1996, when a victim made her claims public. He was later imprisoned for sexual assaults on boys in New Hampshire.

Mike Emerton, the spokesman for Voice of the Faithful, a lay Catholic group formed in response to the sex abuse cases, said: "These documents signal the complete breakdown in trust between the laity and the men who have run the archdiocese of Boston, the jewel in the crown of American Catholicism."

Church attendance across the archdiocese has dropped by 20 per cent over the last year. Cardinal Law has insisted that he will only resign if asked to do so by the Pope.

"It's beyond time for him to leave," said the Rev Stephen S. Josoma. "It's now clear they knew all along and didn't do anything, and that they moved people around again and again and again."

Mr Inzaghi is just glad his daughter has left school. "These were serial crimes that people kept from us. Is a crime not a crime when it's committed by a priest?"


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The thing I find frightening is the thought of how many dioceses that are in this state of "disrepair".

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 12/07/2002 5:34:39 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Delmarksman; Sparta; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; TopQuark; TexKat; Iowa Granny; vbmoneyspender; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 12/07/2002 5:34:56 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
In Boston, a city founded by Irish, Italian and Polish Catholics, the latest revelations have brought the archdiocese to the brink of financial and moral collapse.

Well, not really. They mostly showed up more than a century after the founding.

3 posted on 12/07/2002 5:56:05 PM PST by Restorer
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To: MadIvan
Bernard Cardinal Law
Bishop: Church brass hid sex scandal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/694594/posts
and
http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/law11202002.htm

Bishop Paul S. Loverde - Arlington
Priest, bishop clash in sex, theft scandals
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/787395/posts

Bishop Thomas Daily - Brooklyn
Bishop: Promoted Priest Who Supported Man-Boy Sex
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/778005/posts
and
Lawsuit claims Bishop covered up for Paedophiles
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/771945/posts

Bishop John B. McCormack
Bishop Defends Decision on [gay priest]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/764439/posts

Bishop Walter Sullivan
Virginia bishop under fire for reinstating accused priest
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/733920/posts

Bishop Joseph Adamec
[Bishop] irked at loose lips in diocese
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/708574/posts
Time bishop [Adamec of Altoona-Johnstown] comes clean
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/705061/posts

Bishop James F. McCarthy
NEW YORK BISHOP RESIGNS
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/698314/posts

Bishop J. Kendrick Williams
Accused Kentucky Bishop Resigns
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/698166/posts

Bishop Anthony J. O'Connell
Bishop Resigns After Admitting Sexual Misconduct
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/643035/posts

Bishop Robert Brom
Diocese of San Diego attempts to squash lawsuits
http://www.rcf.org/pdfs/BromLawsuit_B_D.pdf

Bishop George Lucas
Springfield Diocese in Illinois
Replaced Bishop Ryan but keeps Ryan active in the Diocese
Bishop Daniel Ryan
Named as active homosexual who had engaged in sexual
activities with clergy and male prostitutes.
http://www.rcf.org/docs/bishop_lucas01.htm
4 posted on 12/07/2002 6:07:10 PM PST by polemikos
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To: MadIvan
In 1993, the Church was told by James Foley - until last Thursday the associate pastor at St Joseph's church in Salem - that he had fathered two children with a woman who later died of a drug overdose while she was with him.

The priest, summoned to an interview with Cardinal Law to answer allegations of affairs with other women, confessed that he fled the house and failed to call for emergency help in time.


I have heard on a couple of radio talk shows in Boston that the request for records had actually been for a different priest named James Foley, who may have molested children, but the Archdiocese mistakenly sent the records for the other James Foley.
5 posted on 12/07/2002 6:14:31 PM PST by BansheeBill
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To: BansheeBill
but the Archdiocese mistakenly sent the records for the other James Foley.

Which is a smoking gun that says the Archdiocese played games with discovery. They are digging their own grave (and, speaking of which, if they molested any kids from the North End that grave digging will be literal).

6 posted on 12/07/2002 6:20:57 PM PST by eno_
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To: MadIvan
The thing I find frightening is the thought of how many dioceses that are in this state of "disrepair".

Boston, right now, has the worst of it. And Law DID submit a resignation, for the record. It was rejected. I don't want to second guess the Holy Father, but...

The time-bombs at the moment are Los Angeles and San Francisco. No records have been released yet. But, with all luck, maybe Mahoney will get himself in enough hot water that he'll resign, or better yet, be excommunicated. (and that monstrosity he built can maybe be unloaded...)

It ain't over yet. But when all is said and done, this will make us stronger. In 2,000 years, we've been through worse. We'll make it through this.
7 posted on 12/07/2002 6:31:43 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: MadIvan
The thing I find frightening is the thought of how many dioceses that are in
this state of "disrepair".


What I find amazing is that as far as I know, only one of these errant police have
been shot.
(it was a fellow who was abused as a boy/early teen who shot, but only wounded, the
accussed priest...after the powers that be gave him the run-around)

I don't know what I'd do if I found out that some priest (or a garden-variety pervert)
was abusing children in my neighborhood...

All I can presume is that the Catholic priest scandals show how really pacifistic
the average American is...
and how little they value the sexual innocence of their children...
8 posted on 12/07/2002 6:39:38 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
duh..
I meant "errant priests"...
NOT "errant police"!
9 posted on 12/07/2002 6:40:35 PM PST by VOA
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To: MadIvan
In Boston, a city founded by Irish, Italian and Polish Catholics

Talk about historical iliteracy in the press!

10 posted on 12/07/2002 6:41:02 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Desdemona
You are such a Polyanna. You don't seem to be fully aware of what has transpired in the American Church. An institution based on truth has been caught in lie after lie after lie. Its leaders are full of deceit. The American Church is morally bankrupt.
11 posted on 12/07/2002 6:41:05 PM PST by Palladin
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To: MadIvan
the archdiocese of Boston, the jewel in the crown of American Catholicism."

What a crock. The Archdiocese of Boston has long been considered a joke.

12 posted on 12/07/2002 6:41:15 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Desdemona
The time-bombs at the moment are Los Angeles and San Francisco.

Hey, if there have been some really incredible priest scandals in conservative
places like Louisiana (one from about 10-20 years ago was covered on Sixty Minutes II
a couple of months ago) only caused a ripple in the criminal/civil justice system...

how can we expect priests in Los Angeles and San Francisco to get a real smack-down
for bascially acting in accord with mores accepted by too many as "local community standards".

I hope you are right and that most of these stinkers get what they deserve (with full
justice administered).

But the intertwining of the Catholic Church and the one-party Democrat rule here
tells me that District Attorneys, even Republican ones, will pull their punches.
E.g., Steve Cooley, (R), the current district attorney for Los Angeles,
is a faithful attendent at a Catholic Church that Manhoney used as a forum
to issue one of his "apologies".

A few of the worst cases will end up paying for the sins of the many...
14 posted on 12/07/2002 6:46:44 PM PST by VOA
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To: Desdemona
And Law DID submit a resignation, for the record. It was rejected. I don't want to second guess the Holy Father, but...

Unnamed sources have said that Law offered to resign. There's been nothing "for the record" confirming that he did. If you know who the unnamed source is then please share his/her identity. If you have a link to a published confirmation that Law offered to resign then share that as well. Otherwise, it's speculation. If in fact it was offered and rejected perhaps the Pope knew that Law would be better off in the long run being put through the ringer in the press and in depositions and cleaning up the mess he is reponsible for than if he resigned and quietly disappeared into obscurity.

15 posted on 12/07/2002 6:49:46 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: MadIvan
The Pope should throw Law out, but he wont. There is no way all of this happened without the Vatican being privy, no way.
16 posted on 12/07/2002 6:55:52 PM PST by cynicom
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To: Palladin
An institution based on truth has been caught in lie after lie after lie. Its leaders are full of deceit. The American Church is morally bankrupt.

SOME of them are. Believe me, I knew about this stuff 13-14 years ago, long before it ever came out. Not all of the bishops are duplicitous. Some are actually very pious and orthodox (Cardinal George, Archbishop Doran, Archbishop Dolan, Archbishop Rigali, among others).

It's a long story, but it all started in the office of the papal nuncio. One advisor made a whole lot of bad decisions. Pope John Paul II took that bishop out of the office almost immediately after taking office, in 1979. All the bishops who seem to be involved were elevated either before or in the first 5 years of JPII's tenure, before he knew who he could trust. The more recent ones are cleaning up the mess.

BTW, the church is about GOd. If we start making decisions about God based on what we think about men, that changes the focus, doesn't it? The church's teaching hasn't changed. Scrippture hasn't changed. So, we clean house and go on. Now, if they'd kindly get Los Angeles out in the open....
17 posted on 12/07/2002 6:57:12 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Unnamed sources have said that Law offered to resign. There's been nothing "for the record" confirming that he did.

SMED, it was published in March or April. Mutiple times.
18 posted on 12/07/2002 6:59:47 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: VOA
But the intertwining of the Catholic Church and the one-party Democrat rule here tells me that District Attorneys, even Republican ones, will pull their punches. E.g., Steve Cooley, (R), the current district attorney for Los Angeles, is a faithful attendent at a Catholic Church that Manhoney used as a forum to issue one of his "apologies".

THus proving that Mahoney is more politician than man of God. Darn it. I'm still praying for deliverence for the people of Los Angeles from the cardinal.
19 posted on 12/07/2002 7:04:00 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: aeiou
So whats a Catholic to do? I don't see any Catholics finding a path to these other religions. The Catholics love the Catholic Church ..

Perhaps a Catholic should do a reality check to see if the church he loves is realilty, or a figment of wishful imagination. In 1 Thess 4, the Apostle Paul said (I paraphrase) that anyone who rejects God's command for sexual purity has rejected God.
If the real church doesn't serve God, but now serves the "organization", then it's time for the Catholic to see if they love God more than the organization.

20 posted on 12/07/2002 7:08:34 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: aeiou
It must really pi** off the Catholic haters to see that the Catholics aren't listening to them.

Lalalalalala...we are not listening...lalalalalalala...we are not listening...lalalalalalala.

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

It's as if non-Catholics believe that we put more faith in men than God.
22 posted on 12/07/2002 7:22:55 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: aimhigh
The Church doesn't serve itself, disgraceful members of it do. You can no more say that one should denounce their religion because of a few bad apples in the priesthood than you could say that America is evil and citizenship should be renounced because it's leader purjured himself. Too bad for catholic haters everywhere.
23 posted on 12/07/2002 7:23:09 PM PST by ConservativeNewsNetwork
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To: MadIvan
What is a Catholic to do?
Both laity and priests in the diocese have had with Law.
The Boston Globe and the Herald both have stories today about the priests meeting to decide on publicly asking for Cardinal Law to resign. If you know about the Church hierachy, this is stunning.
The laity has pulled their financial support in large numbers and quite a few are no longer attending Mass.
This is coming to a head quickly. As a Catholic, I don't believe that healing can come under the leadership of the current Cardinal. Too much damage has been done to trust him.
24 posted on 12/07/2002 7:24:23 PM PST by MassRepublican
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To: Desdemona
Look, the Church is about God, but if you want to go with that, keep in mind that the Church is currently supported here on Earth by people. So yeah, it's about God, but because it's run by people, it's liable to screw things up. I'm not saying that we should think that all of the bishops and priests and cardinals and whatnot are pedophiles. The simple fact is that there are certain psychological qualities that pedophiles tend to posess that are similar to those that would attract a person to religious (and celibate) life. That doesn't mean that God is for this sort of thing. Celibacy wasn't even a part of the original intent (from what I gather.) The only reason that they can't get married now is that some pope in the Middle Ages (I can't remember which for the life of me) decided that the Church was losing too much land to the sons of these priests and bishops after they died, so they made celibacy a part of religious life. And celibacy is as unnatural to humans as pedophilia. So, what I'm trying to say (and getting so far away from) is that I trust in God, not so much the Church.
26 posted on 12/07/2002 7:33:06 PM PST by xonique
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To: MadIvan
"In Boston, a city founded by Irish, Italian and Polish Catholics,..."

Wha-a-a-a-t? Wow, Polish Puritans! Irish Congregationalists! Italian Roundheads! And all of them secret papists! How do these ignorant reporters get these jobs while I get stuck drivin' this rig?

30 posted on 12/07/2002 8:13:14 PM PST by cookcounty
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
The Archdiocese of Boston has long been considered a joke.

Especially if Ted Kennedy is a parishner there. I always wondered how he could get Communion, absolution, and an Annulment with his track record!!

31 posted on 12/07/2002 8:34:58 PM PST by potlatch
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To: cookcounty
Hey, there are definitely catholic polish churches, near Boston, at the very least. Trust me. I've been dragged, and the masses are predominantly in Polish. Plus, they ship in priests from Poland. It's all kind of odd, but existing.
32 posted on 12/07/2002 9:01:54 PM PST by xonique
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To: xonique
Hey, there are definitely catholic polish churches, near Boston, at the very least. Trust me. I've been dragged, and the masses are predominantly in Polish. Plus, they ship in priests from Poland. It's all kind of odd, but existing.

All true, but Boston was not founded by Catholics (which is what the article claimed.) By the way, Boston's early Catholic population did not have any significant number of Poles or Italians (not sure about the Irish.) The first Catholic bishop, Cheverus, was French.

33 posted on 12/07/2002 9:16:04 PM PST by Feldkurat_Katz
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To: polemikos
As a result, two million Catholics in the archdiocese of Boston are finding out what senior figures in the Church knew about a string of scandals over 30 years. The American Catholic Church was already in crisis because of nationwide allegations of sexual abuse of children by clergy.

In Boston, a city founded by Irish, Italian and Polish Catholics, the latest revelations have brought the archdiocese to the brink of financial and moral collapse.

Boy, will the ship hit the sand when a staunch Catholic by the handle of -------- who may be more Catholic than the pope sees the above italicised information plus the other alledged charges naming not a few of the 'most reverend' leaders of the Roman Church as being touched by these alledged charges?

These alledged charges are listed by polemikos at the beginning through to the end of his post #4 to Madivan on 12-07-02 @6:07 PM PST.

A well meaning young priest told me one time concerning a point of faith we were discussing, that fifty million Catholics couldn't be wrong, and maybe others also know what the French said about their invincibility concerning the outcome of a war with Germany at the beginning of WW1, fifty million Frenchmen can't be wrong, and how was that turning out before Black Jack Pershing and the magnificent AEF landed in France and announced "Layfayette we are here"?

The moral of this story could be that in God's theocracy being in the majority has no bearing on the predetermined outcome because God and one person can be a majority.

34 posted on 12/07/2002 9:20:35 PM PST by VOYAGER
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To: MadIvan
I would, at least temporarily, oppose Law's resignation. What you have is that New York Times (and the wholly-owned Boston Globe) is going after two theologically conservative high-profile prelates - Law and Egan. Note that media are not going after liberal bishops; they want conservative bishops out while keeping homosexual priests in. Capitulating now would amount to giving NYT a veto power over church appointments.

In the long run, Law should resign, but prior to that he should right his wrongs by purging active homosexuals. When Boston Globe starts complaining about homophobia and witchunts - that will be the time for him to go.

35 posted on 12/07/2002 9:34:47 PM PST by Feldkurat_Katz
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To: Feldkurat_Katz
Okay, I just checked, and sorry, you're right, I was waay off on that one. Gracias. And yes, that definitely means that the press needs Internet access.
36 posted on 12/07/2002 9:41:12 PM PST by xonique
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To: xonique
Glad to have been helpful. I'm originally from Poland BTW.
37 posted on 12/07/2002 9:51:43 PM PST by Feldkurat_Katz
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To: MadIvan
Why does this surprise anyone.

This is Boston where the CINO's return the homosexual predator Barney Frank to congress without a second thought and are glad to do it.

The same CINO's who vote to return the Killer Whale, Ted Kennedy without a second thought and are glad to do it.

They ignore the planned parenthood chapters pushing unlimited abortion in their city without a second thought and are glad to do it.

We have the same problem in Kalifornicator when the Kali Queen of Abortion, Nancy Pelosi says that she is a conservative Catholic and her bishop and cardinal and priests just stand there and say nothing about her strident and very vocal pro abortion activities. Then, the CINO's in her district vote for her in each election.

Then, the Kali King of abortion, the criminal Gray Davis says that he is a conservative Catholic and his bishop, cardinal and priests just stand there as he slammed Simon the whole campaign for being anti abortion. Then he has CINO's voting for him all over the state in two gubernatorial elections.

Any CINO who votes for a pro abortionist and sends them money to be re elected is as guilty as the cardinals, bishops and priests.

Which sin is worse the pro abortion CINO who votes serially for Barney Frank, Teddy Kennedy, Pelosi or Gray Davis? Or the bishops and Cardinals who have allowed sexual predators both heterosexual and homosexual to prey on young Catholic children.

Both groups will probably go to hell for their actions for not doing what was right and allowing their members, priests, Bishops and Cardinals to create living hells in America for their innocent unborns and children.
38 posted on 12/07/2002 10:22:47 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: moron
It's quite simple, you moron. :)

Decades ago, someone screwed up in seminary, and they started thinking that maybe it wouldn't be too bad to let gay priests in. I mean, isn't all the PCPsychobabble right? Can't the gays control themselves just as straight men can in the priesthood?

Then when the molestations started coming to light, those in power in the Church screwed up. Instead of defrocking the pedophiles and turning them over to the local authorities with a full and complete disclosure of what they did, they paid off the vicrims and just moved them around. Why did they do this? That's the million dollar question.

Now you have liberal dityrags like the New York Times that would like nothing better than to see the Church and anything that isn't virulently leftist dissappear from the face of the earth.

The first two things can be summed up as church leaders mistaking politics for theology. The last is to be expected as long as there are wicked people in the world.
40 posted on 12/08/2002 12:31:45 AM PST by ConservativeNewsNetwork
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To: MadIvan

Saturday, December 07, 2002, 12:00 a.m. Pacific

Cardinal sins


Mired in moral bankruptcy, the Archdiocese of Boston compounds its failings by contemplating Chapter 11 to evade its financial responsibilities for sexual abuse by priests.

Choosing the most contemptible route would be consistent for Cardinal Bernard Law. His brazen disregard for the welfare of the laity in the midst of the most despicable behavior by the priests under his leadership is stunning.

The release this week of 2,000 additional pages of diocesan documents was so deeply upsetting for some Boston-area Catholics, they were questioning the very roots of their religious faith.

The relentless accounts of predatory sexual assaults by priests — including those on young children, altar boys, girls pursuing religious vows and married women — would be over the top in the most steamy Andrew Greeley novel.

The vocation of the priesthood is wounded to such a profound degree that basic changes might be necessary. The issue of celibacy is the most obvious, and the most unlikely, to change.

Still, given the horrific revelations of the past decade, the wonder is the church hierarchy could imagine communicants thinking a married priest with a supportive family was any less Christ-like than a child molester with multiple parish transfers. Priests who consider their celibacy a gift from God could make that personal choice. For the institution, however, what is in place is not working.

That is especially true if the organization sees itself above and outside the law. The arrogance and corruptibility of absolute power is at the heart of decisions of a scared fraternity protecting its own.

The terrible toll on the faith of believers is a tragedy.

Who will remind these people their church is grounded in the Trinity, baptism and holy Eucharist? Predatory priests and accommodating bishops and cardinals are an administrative failure.

The institution is in deep trouble, but its foundation is solid as a rock.

41 posted on 12/08/2002 4:39:59 AM PST by ppaul
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To: MadIvan
Add Phoenix to your list. The same things are being revealed. The previous bishop was outrageously perverted and the current one was his Vicar General before becoming bishop. It's really blowing up in Phoenix at the same time.

I believe the primary cause is NOT the media but the network of victims getting the information out.

I went to a Lutheran seminary where one graduate was known to be a drug dealer. The Lutherans let him accept a position as youth minister for another denomination. That was back in the 1970's.
42 posted on 12/08/2002 5:54:15 AM PST by Chemnitz
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To: MadIvan
Sounds like perjury to me Cardinal Law.
43 posted on 12/08/2002 5:55:10 AM PST by mssnoop
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To: Desdemona
it was published in March or April. Mutiple times.

What was published multiple times in April were unnamed sources saying that Law had offered to resign. Law stated that the subject of his resignation wasn't raised in his private meeting with the Pope. There were other unnamed sources that said Mahoney called for Law to resign in the meeting of the Cardinals with the Pope. Like I wrote earlier, if you have the link to someone going on the record stating that Law offered to resign then please post it. If it was published multiple times then you shouldn't have any trouble finding it, should you?

44 posted on 12/08/2002 9:51:59 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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