Pray for the Poor Souls

Pieta Prayerbook

[Jhoffa_]

Maybe the word "purgatory" is found in some of the books of the Catholic's Bible.

That was my point, regardless of how it's spelled, I don't recall the word appearing in the Protestant bible anywhere.

If it's in there then I wanted to see it.

I think it was just a smarmy poster who had nothing better to do than whine about spelling errors.

[Cagey]

That settles it. Eggnog does not exist.

[netmilsmom]

OH GEEZ! I have to learn not to sip and surf. Wait until my husband sees this keyboard...
Let me explain this pergatory/purgatory thing to all the non-catholics. It's the bar on the corner where we go on Sunday mornings after 12:00 mass where we have choked babies with rosary beads and drank their blood. But that's a secret so don't tell anyone.
Well, that's just as ridiculous as slamming anyone for their beliefs on Christmas Day....

[Cagey]

My point was attagirl didn't begin this thread as a discussion of religion or religious beliefs. She simply asked for prayers and within a very short time a person came here challenging attagirl's beliefs. I don't get that at all. But that's just me.

[LiberalBuster]

>>Where in the Bible is the word Pergatory?

This article is clearly bait for rabid fundamentalists. As for myself, I'm still looking for the word "trinity" and "rapture."

[Michael Barnes]

Totally off the topic, kinda-sorta. Can anyone tell me about hte Hall of Souls? I know of the movie the Seven Signs (Maybe it was Seventh Sign). But was wondering about this for a while. When is our soul created? At time of conception? Before (lingering in Heaven somewhere)? I don't believe in re-encarnation, but have never done much reading into how an individual soul comes into being (other than the obvious..)

Thanks in Advance...

[APBaer]

"As for myself, I'm still looking for the word "trinity" and "rapture."

I was doing the same until I saw on the frontspiece:
"Placed in this Hotel Room by the Gideons"

[LiberalBuster]

>>There's a decent chance it's printed on the cover,
>>if that counts.

Yeah ... but is the cover page inspired? ;-)

[snippy_about_it]

Here you go.

I do remember this Bible passage from Mark 9;
Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us

38"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
39"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40for whoever is not against us is for us. 41I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward."


but just the mention of purgatory and more importantly the definition below is a vivid reminder of why I am glad that although raised a catholic, I am one no longer, but born again by the Grace of God into no organized religion. No offense to current or future Catholics. Been there, done that and I don't mean to condemn anothers religion but hopefully share.

I. CATHOLIC DOCTRINE

Purgatory (Lat., "purgare", to make clean, to purify) in accordance with Catholic teaching is a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God's grace, are, not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions. The faith of the Church concerning purgatory is clearly expressed in the Decree of Union drawn up by the Council of Florence (Mansi, t. XXXI, col. 1031), and in the decree of the Council of Trent which (Sess. XXV) defined: "Whereas the Catholic Church, instructed by the Holy Ghost, has from the Sacred Scriptures and the ancient tradition of the Fathers taught in Councils and very recently in this Ecumenical synod (Sess. VI, cap. XXX; Sess. XXII cap.ii, iii) that there is a purgatory, and that the souls therein are helped by the suffrages of the faithful, but principally by the acceptable Sacrifice of the Altar; the Holy Synod enjoins on the Bishops that they diligently endeavor to have the sound doctrine of the Fathers in Councils regarding purgatory everywhere taught and preached, held and believed by the faithful" (Denzinger, "Enchiridon", 983). Further than this the definitions of the Church do not go, but the tradition of the Fathers and the Schoolmen must be consulted to explain the teachings of the councils, and to make clear the belief and the practices of the faithful.

[Jhoffa_]

When is our soul created? At time of conception? Before (lingering in Heaven somewhere)? I don't believe in re-encarnation, but have never done much reading into how an individual soul comes into being (other than the obvious..)

Before. It says God knew us before we were formed.

It also says he knows what's in a man and is fit to judge, so he is very familiar with all of us, soul's, thought's and more importantly motivations included.

[LiberalBuster]

"Every national church or religion has established itself by pretending some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals. The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their apostles and saints; and the Turks their Mahomet. Each of those churches show certain books, which they call revelation, or the word of God. The Jews say, that their word of God was given by God to Moses, face to face; the Christians say, that their word of God came by divine inspiration: and the Turks say, that their word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from Heaven. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." --Thomas Paine

[Revolting cat!]

Atta girl, attagirl! It's about time. The commercial free (for the last 12-24 hours) radio programs are returning to their regularly scheduled commercial programming as we speak; it's about time to start perusing those ads that came with this morning daily commie rag for once in a lifetime after X-mas Sales, and here, it's time to return to the religious wars between the tongue speaking Holy Rollers and the Catholics!

Merry Pre-Scheduled, Manager Approved Work Absence Day All!

[dasein64]

If nothing else is accomplished, you have gotten an idea planted about there being a purgatory, where sins are purged, and that will lead to inquiry and study of the subject. I have become more interested in the belief and concept of a spiritual realm where souls are prepared for heaven as I have become more involved in reading and studying about this next life we will all enter when our time on earth is over. Thanks for the prayer reminder for those departed souls whom we will join someday.

[power2]

"Oh, I see. So, it's just a tradition, but not authorized by God. Okay. But what about this word Pergatory? I can't find it in my Bible."

The words "Holy Trinity" or "Triune God" do not appear in the Bible either, but most Christians believe in that concept. In the same way, the concept of purtagory is also contained in the Bible, although the exact word is not.

Also, all things taught by the Lord or revealed to the Apostles for our use are not in written in the Bible. Following are quotes from scripture where the authors reference "tradition". Quotes are taken from the Biblemaster.com, from the New American Standard Version.

1 Corinthians 11:2 - Show Context - Read Chapter - View Original Greek | Discuss Verse Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 - Show Context - Read Chapter - View Original Greek | Discuss Verse So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.

Note that in neither passage does the author delineate each and every "tradition" taught or delivered to them. It is assumed the readers know, AND WILL PASS IT ON (i.e., it is "tradition").

The concept of purgatory is both contained in the Bible in concept, and passed down as a tradition of the Church from the Apostles.

May God have mercy on souls in purgatory.

Merry Christmas, and God Bless.

[netmilsmom]

Ha! Can't argue much with that heh?

[power2]

Ha! Can't argue much with that heh?

You wouldn't think so, but many of our Protestant brethern will do so.

[Michael Barnes]

Interesting..Thank you for the reply..

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

Good news! Puragtory (and hell) is nothing more than a hideous myth concocted by superstitious idiots.

Again with the censorship around here? What the hell is wrong with FR that it can't keep people's remarks posted? I don't see what is so offensive about the remark that it had to be deleted. So he doesn't believe in Purgatory and Hell. So what? Aren't we allowed to have different beliefs around here? Or must we all march in lockstep with the same beliefs?

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

Good news! Puragtory (and hell) is nothing more than a hideous myth concocted by superstitious idiots.

I think I've figured it out. It's the word "idiots". Has FR gone so PC that it considers the word "idiots" to be hate speech? That must be it. If the guy had said "it's nothing more than a hideous myth concocted by superstitious people", it probably would have been allowed to stay. Am I right?