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U.S. departing the First World?
Washington Times ^ | Thursday, January 23, 2003 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 01/22/2003 10:22:50 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:00:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: JohnHuang2
U.S. departing the First World?

The US is the most powerful nation in the world and the wealthiest. We are the epitome of the term "first world." What PCR really means is that the US is becoming less white.

21 posted on 01/23/2003 12:12:30 AM PST by xm177e2 (you aren't really reading this, you just think you are)
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To: RLK
During 2004 I will also be telling Rove and Bush never to darken the steps of the White House again.

Aren't you going to wait to see if Bush renews the so-called Assault Weapons Ban? I realize he'll probably sign the damn thing, considering the time it comes up for renewal is only a few short months before the general election. ....and Rove will be hounding him to do it. ....But I've decided to wait it out and see for myself. We could very well be fighting a brutal war on the homefront in the next 20 months, and anything could happen.

As far as the illegals are concerned, I'm with Tancredo all the way, and find Rove's admonishment abhorrent. But again, our nation could be a different place in a few months, and sealing the borders with the National Guard might not seem so far-fetched by then. ....even to this administration. I'm willing to give GWB the benefit of the doubt for a while.

22 posted on 01/23/2003 12:12:39 AM PST by Mr. Mojo (The Godfather will be sporting some new jewelry this Sunday)
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To: Dosa26
"Therein" is a word of its own, requiring no apostrophe. As for the rest of your post, this is something out of a fortune cookie. Save it for your therapy group. POTUS should not be our Therapist in Chief. When that happens, our nation is doomed.
23 posted on 01/23/2003 12:15:56 AM PST by Mortimer Snavely (Is anyone else tired of reading these tag lines?)
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To: Mortimer Snavely
POTUS should not be our Therapist in Chief. When that happens, our nation is doomed.

True

24 posted on 01/23/2003 12:19:43 AM PST by Mr. Mojo (The Godfather will be sporting some new jewelry this Sunday)
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To: Southack
"Foreign "family planning" money would still be being paid to 3rd world countries"

No kidding?

Bush Signs Largest Family Planning Bill In U.S. History
"On Thursday, January 10, 2002, the White House reported President Bush signed the ominous $15.4 billion foreign appropriations bill, H.R. 2506, for fiscal-year 2002. The bill authorizes $446.5 million U.S. tax dollars to be given to other countries for abortion-family planning activities throughout the world. The abortion-family planning funds approved by Bush represents an increase of $21.5 million over last year for international family planning."

25 posted on 01/23/2003 12:20:33 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Save it for your therapy group

I disbanded them as fit.;-)

26 posted on 01/23/2003 12:28:09 AM PST by Dosa26
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To: Dosa26
We but swim through time, unless we are the ultimate decision-makers of times (Bush et. al.) We are best off anticipating the best, but preparing for the worst. The second is more important for the physical, but the first is more important for the mentality.

I've read this post 4 or 5 times, and still I can't figure it out.

As one of Donald Sutherland's students asked him in the movie Animal House ...."Can I buy some pot from you?"

27 posted on 01/23/2003 12:29:15 AM PST by Mr. Mojo (The Godfather will be sporting some new jewelry this Sunday)
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To: Mortimer Snavely; RLK; Howlin
So how many cars does China manufacture compared to say, Ford or GM?

How many aircraft do they build compared to Boeing, Gulf Stream, Cessna, Lockheed, and Beechcraft?

How many satelites do they launch? How many shuttles? How many miles of highway have they built? How many inner-coastal canals?

The sum, yes the SUM total of all American imports AND exports is only 15% of our economy.

You can cry that the sky is falling and that everyone is going to be speaking Spanish and Mandarin tomorrow, but the plain, cold, hard reality of truth is that all of your fuss is about 15% of our entire GDP.

Ooooh, the trinkets at Wal-Mart are made in China. Oh no, the sky is falling!

Call me when China writes its first decent Operating System and when Mexico outsells Oracle for database software.

Call me when the combined planet manages to makes as many CPUs as Motorola or Intel or even AMD.

Call me when some other country makes as many DSPs as TI, or makes as many movies as unionized Hollywood.

Call me when someone else figures out how to makes as many high-tech military arms as the U.S.

Call me when some other country manages to land on the Moon, something that we did over 3 decades ago.

In fact, the U.S. has more advanced technology retired away in our museums (e.g. atomics, astronautics, aircraft, computers) than most countries can field in their frontline companies and military units.

Medicine? Call me when China or Mexico starts beating Merk to the market with new cures for what ails us.

Agriculture? Call me when any other group of nations manages to feed the rest of the world with their surplus.

On second thought, don't call me at all. I'm tired of hearing your "Sky is falling" cry as if the import of a few Billion Dollars worth of trinkets was even significant to an $11 Trillion per year GDP.

I'm tired of hearing that since all of the under $50 trinkets at Wal-Mart are made in China that suddenly our whole culture is about to collapse.

NEWSFLASH: over half of all Chinese companies are running year on year losses, and Chinese banks are requiring MASSIVE cash infusions from China's government in order to delay their inevitable banking collapse due to the high default rates on their loans to bad companies.

28 posted on 01/23/2003 12:30:38 AM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: RLK
You seem to think anybody who doesn't see things the way you see them IS living in denial. Fortunately, most of us don't think that way.
29 posted on 01/23/2003 12:32:53 AM PST by Howlin (He should have had a V8)
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To: Southack
How many aircraft do they build compared to Boeing, Gulf Stream, Cessna, Lockheed, and Beechcraft?

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Don't you even read the news or the items posted here. Mulally, the CEO of Boeing has announced Americans are not entitled to a standard of living and is moving Boeing commercial aircraft production out of the country. He's laid off 30,000 people to do it.

30 posted on 01/23/2003 12:35:14 AM PST by RLK
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To: Howlin
We don't agree on what constitutes basic reality.
31 posted on 01/23/2003 12:36:35 AM PST by RLK
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To: RLK
"is moving Boeing commercial aircraft production out of the country."

Yeah, right.

32 posted on 01/23/2003 12:37:07 AM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Mr. Mojo
I've read this post 4 or 5 times, and still I can't figure it out.

The answer lies within. lol. Maintain optimism in the face of adversity while preparing for catastrophe.

And no you may not.

33 posted on 01/23/2003 12:39:48 AM PST by Dosa26
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To: RLK
I'm glad to see you say that; I'd hate to think you and I agree on the real world.
34 posted on 01/23/2003 12:41:09 AM PST by Howlin (He should have had a V8)
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To: Dosa26
Hope you had a happy birthday.
35 posted on 01/23/2003 12:44:32 AM PST by Travelgirl
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To: Travelgirl
Thank you. A moderate sized job fell through but I was in the house of loved ones...Who could ask for more?
36 posted on 01/23/2003 12:49:06 AM PST by Dosa26
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To: Southack
Competitiveness demands that the new, more global Boeing Co. share its work and its wealth with workers around the world, the company's highest-ranking Pacific Northwest executive said Tuesday in Tacoma. Alan Mulally, president of Boeing Commercial Airplanes Group, said Boeing can't act like British colonialists extracting wealth from other countries and exporting it all back home. Mulally, speaking to The News Tribune editorial board, said that with 70 percent of Boeing's commercial airplanes sold to airlines operating outside the United States, Boeing has an obligation to build parts of its aircraft overseas. "We just operate everywhere," he said. "We need to include everybody around the world in the asset utilization. They buy our products and pay up. We can't just extract wealth from other countries and pay ourselves. "And the United States has no divine right to our standard of living," Mulally added, defending Boeing's overseas parts production.

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If you bother to do a search here you will come up with the following and more.:

Competitiveness demands that the new, more global Boeing Co. share its work and its wealth with workers around the world, the company's highest-ranking Pacific Northwest executive said Tuesday in Tacoma. Alan Mulally, president of Boeing Commercial Airplanes Group, said Boeing can't act like British colonialists extracting wealth from other countries and exporting it all back home. Mulally, speaking to The News Tribune editorial board, said that with 70 percent of Boeing's commercial airplanes sold to airlines operating outside the United States, Boeing has an obligation to build parts of its aircraft overseas. "We just operate everywhere," he said. "We need to include everybody around the world in the asset utilization. They buy our products and pay up. We can't just extract wealth from other countries and pay ourselves. "And the United States has no divine right to our standard of living," Mulally added, defending Boeing's overseas parts production.

37 posted on 01/23/2003 12:49:45 AM PST by RLK
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To: JohnHuang2
I'm increasingly beginning to view this as but one campaign in the early stages of WWIII.

How can we rationally view it otherwise?
38 posted on 01/23/2003 12:55:46 AM PST by Quix (11TH FREEPCARD FINISHED)
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To: RLK
How dare you post actual quotes.
39 posted on 01/23/2003 1:09:25 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: Quix
Rationally, we can't.

Many still choose to do so, however.
40 posted on 01/23/2003 7:45:34 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Ugh!)
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