Single Guys Paying for Everything

MSNBC ^ | 28 Jan 2003 | Alex Johnson

[Mocha_Man]

To all families of 4 making 40k a year:

From MSNBC "The president called on Congress to make years of projected tax cuts effective immediately, saying that a family of four with an income of $40,000 would see its federal tax bill fall from $1,178 a year to just $45."

Swell, so that means that the costs of running this society are in the hands of the single people? This is typical. I believe we should all share in running this place together, but this seems quite unfair. What logic comes up a plan that penalizes someone who has worked VERY hard their entire life, sacrified family, friends, and in some cases well being?

I didn't get married to the first thing I saw, or take some nothing job below median income and didn't get stuck with 2 kids because of improper family planning. That's my fault? Now I have to pay 12K a year in Federal Taxes while you families of 4 making 40K a year live off my blood, sweat, and tears?

They are YOUR kids, it isn't my fault you have a family. You should pay AT LEAST as much as I do, your kids are draining the economy. Your kids are using the public schools, parks, libraries, etc... that I am paying for. Like I said earlier, I don't mind paying for these things, someone paid for them when I was a kid, but why should I have to pay more than you? YOU are the one with the poorly planned family, not me.

Who in their right mind would have 2 kids if they only make 40K a year? What were you thinking? How are you going to raise them to be productive members of society? How could you clothe them? How can you send them to college? How can you pay for their after school activities? Oh wait I know, you can afford to do these things because you aren't paying your share of federal tax.

[PLMerite]

I'm in the same boat. For all the kids I must be supporting I should be getting a lot more respect, among other fringe benefits...

But at least I didn't have to change any diapers.

[kittymyrib]

Don't worry about who will take care of the elderly sick who have no children in the future. The same government who found abortion in the Constitution will no doubt find euthanisia too, and there will be no problem eliminating these "unwanted," expensive drains on the health system.

[msru]

me neither!

[krb]

But when your son or daughter first touches your hand everything you have just said will sound foolish

At that moment, nothing he said will sound foolish. You are telling me that the moment my child touches my hand I'll understand why I don't have to pay taxes anymore?

[Shooter 2.5]

Just because the President used a married family as an example doesn't mean that you won't get a tax cut. Do some research before you start complaining.

[Copernicus]

Try this:

World War II has been over for 58 years. Repeal all paycheck withholding.

The paperwork savings alone to business will boost the economy.

Best regards,

[MrB]

Half the country doesn't pay income tax.

That's not right. Everyone should have to pay income taxes if anyone has to.

Bush's plan takes even more people off the rolls...

If I had my way, the low income people would pay a higher percentage of their income because they are not contributing as much to the economy as the high achievers are.

[freedumb2003]

>>They've done nothing to deserve your badmouthed tirade. The government, on the other hand, has.<<

Lets face it -- the tax code stopped being a way to finance the government and started being a tool for social engineering a LOONG time ago. Look at how deductions, special tax credits, and my favorite, the Earned Income Credit -- the government pays you to have a family you can't afford.

As a single income, married but child-free by choice person, I get hit pretty bad -- I paid a bundle in taxes this year. I don't mind supporting schools since someone needs to take care of things in the future so it is in my best interest to have the best education system possible (of course, we aren't getting that but that's a whole other topic).

The only fair tax system would be either a flat tax or a national sales tax. These might be "regressive" but that whole progressive/regressive argument is liberal claptrap. Those who earn (or spend) the most would be proportionally taxed.

Right now, people like Glenn and I are not just financing children -- we're financing EVERYTHING. Look at the many many posts on this forum about how the upper 10% or so pay 90% of the taxes.

I understand the rant of the author but so what? The whole thing needs overhauling.

In the meantime, I merely ask of those who want children not to have more than they can afford. Even that ain't gonna happen until we issue Norplant along with Welfare and WIC checks.

[waterstraat]

You could always work to change the situation. Support a comprehensive single rate single stage tax on retail sales.

Or you could also work to eliminate the income tax altogether, congressman Ron Paul introduces legislation each session to end the income tax. Ron Paul is extremely popular in his district, but when he went national and ran for president, most americans did not want the income tax eliminated and did not vote for him.

If you support(by voting for pro-tax candidates) massive government spending and taxes, quit complaining and you must pay for the things that you want and vote for.

[CurlyDave]

The NST would encourage savings, eliminate the IRS and the tax code, remove the hidden corporate tax (and the cost of compliance) from EVERYTHING that you buy, and encourage a boom economy that makes the late 1990's look like the Great Depression.

Yup, it will sure do that, just like the VAT has done in Europe.

[waterstraat]

Half the country doesn't pay income tax. That's not right. Everyone should have to pay income taxes if anyone has to.

It is true that about half of the people do not pay income taxes. But what you said is not right. Everyone should not be forced to pay taxes!

You have no right to make me pay for something that YOU want. Pay for it yourself.

Those who support taxes should be made to pay, and leave those of us who are against it to not have to pay. That is the only fair way to do it.

[Blood of Tyrants]

A VAT tax is regressive and wrong as it taxes products MULTIPLE times nd makes it practically impossible to determine how much you are really paying in taxes. And that is exactly how the politicians like it.

[MrB]

I agree. We should not be forced to pay for someone else's pet project, charity, or whatever, unless it is a clearly in the enumerated powers.

[A. Pole]

Who in their right mind would have 2 kids if they only make 40K a year?

Listen, the society to survive has to have a little more than 2 kids per family. Otherwise it will be replaced by the immigrants from the nations which do not put bank account before children.

When you get old, children of other people will be feeding you, changing your diapers and making your retirement package viable. Or would you rather have along with abortion (the main tool to remove unwanted children) the legalised euthanasia so Muslims newcomers will be able to get rid of you easier?

Children are real human beings and they should count same way as grown-ups for the tax purposes. End the child penalty tax!

[sonserae]

What about single girls living alone? Your title is misleading.

[A. Pole]

Kids are great! Parenthood is great! Shouldn't entitle you to a tax break though.

People should raise children to keep the nation in existence. It is not matter of fun, it is a hard and responsible work. All costs or raising children should be exempt from all forms of tax (including Social Security, local and sales tax).

[shhrubbery!]

Yup, it will sure do that, just like the VAT has done in Europe.

Europeans pay the VAT on top of already crushing income taxes.

Also, I'm no tax expert, but a VAT is different from a simple sales tax. I believe increments of taxation are factored in at several levels of production, from the raw material to the retail stage.

I may be wrong, but I don't believe the proposed national sales tax is a VAT.

[A. Pole]

Aside from any personal feelings we have about our families, the country depends on having stable families and children. Many if not most of our problems today stem from broken families, aborted children, and a demographic distribution that is loaded down with older people in need of support and immigrants coming in to fill the vacuum of missing people who were aborted. Single people should want to live in a healthy, happy, thriving country too, even if they prefer not to have families themselves. It costs an unbelievable amount to bring up a child, pay college tuition, and prepare him to be a productive citizen. For the past fifty years, our income tax policy has discriminated against married people with children, and we are now paying a high price.

End the child penalty tax.