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Seeing Red - Spontaneous anti-American demonstrations? Think again.
National Review Online ^ | March 18, 2003 | Ion Mihai Pacepa

Posted on 03/18/2003 9:40:47 AM PST by jdege

March 18, 2003, 9:00 a.m.

Seeing Red


Spontaneous anti-American demonstrations? Think again.

By Ion Mihai Pacepa

Over the March 15-16 weekend there were simultaneous anti-American and pro-peace demonstrations around the world, with the largest in Athens and Moscow. It is significant that the headquarters of the Soviet-created World Peace Council (WPC) is now in Athens, and that its honorary chairman is still the same KGB asset, Romesh Chandra, who chaired this Cold War organization during the years when I was a Communist general. This current bashing of the U.S. makes me believe I am watching a revival of an old stage drama, the lines of which I know by heart. Back in the 1970Ss the drama featured that same Ramesh Chandra and consisted of the WPC's virulent offensive to counteract American efforts aimed at protecting the world against Communist expansion.

In fact, the WPC Secretariat recently recognized that the WPC has "participated in or co-organized" the current worldwide anti-American demonstrations. On December 14, 2002, the WPC convened a meeting of its Communist-style Executive Committee and then issued an official communiqué stating, in vintage Soviet language: "The Bush administration is intensifying readiness for the unilateral attack on Iraq, and this unilateralism of hegemony is becoming the biggest threat to world peace." An international appeal published by the WPC Secretariat on the same day confirmed that the WPC had indeed been involved in organizing anti-American demonstrations in "USA, Great Britain, Florence, Prague and in many other European capitals, as well as in other countries." The WPC appeal called upon "the peoples and movements of the world aspiring to peace and justice to unite their voices and actions against the U.S. war on Iraq."

The WPC was created by Moscow in the 1950s and had only one task: to portray the United States as being run by a "war-mongering government." To make it look like a Western organization, Moscow headquartered it in Paris, but in 1954 the French government accused the WPC of being a Soviet puppet and kicked it out of France. Therefore, its headquarters were moved to Soviet-occupied Vienna, and then to Prague when Austria became neutral. It is remarkable that, after the Soviet Union collapsed and the United States remained the only superpower, Romesh Chandra moved his WPC to Athens and focused its operations toward "waging a struggle against the New World Order." According to its current charter, adopted during a 1996 Peace Congress in Mexico, the WPC has now "broadened into a worldwide mass movement" whose task is to support "those people and liberation movements" fighting "against [American] imperialism."

Back in the 1970s, when Moscow appointed Romesh Chandra to head the WPC, it introduced him to the world as being an "apolitical" Indian. In reality, Chandra was a member of the National Committee of the Communist Party of India, one of the foreign Communist parties most loyal to the Soviet Union at that time. Khrushchev himself approved a $50 million annual budget for the "new" WPC (the money was delivered by the KGB in the form of laundered cash dollars, in order to hide its Soviet origin), and tasked Chandra to focus the WPC effort on condemning the American intervention in Vietnam as a "murderous adventure" and to require all WPC national branches to initiate demonstrations around the world against America's imperialism and its war in Vietnam.

Until 1978, when I left Romania for good, I managed the Romanian side of the WPC, whose operations implicated thousands of undercover Soviet-bloc intelligence officers and many other thousands of paid and voluntary Communist activists. By that time Chandra's WPC had reportedly collected 700 million signatures on a "ban-the-American-atomic-bomb" petition that had been drafted in Moscow and adopted by a peace conference convened in Stockholm. In a 1981 article published in the Comintern journal entitled Problems of Peace and Socialism (the English translation of which was called World Marxist Review), Chandra wrote: "The struggle to curb the arms race has become a mass demonstration against the deployment of new U.S. missiles." Soon after that, Chandra and his WPC unleashed a worldwide offensive against the deployment by the United States of Pershing and Cruise missiles in Europe, and it organized "global campaigns" to protest the production of the neutron bomb announced by U.S. president Jimmy Carter and against the U.S. decision on "Star Wars," WPC's derisive term for the American strategic defense initiative (SDI).

In 1851 Karl Marx issued his now famous dictum: "History always repeats itself, the first time as tragedy, and the second as farce." The new anti-American Axis Beijing-Moscow-Berlin-Paris is indeed a farcical effort to revive the anti-Americanism created by the WPC and its sponsors during the Cold War era.

— General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book,Red Roots: The origins of today's anti-Americanism.


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1 posted on 03/18/2003 9:40:47 AM PST by jdege
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To: jdege
Byron York has written an excellent! article for National Review magazine on the anti-American protest group called "Not in My Name." The representatives of this group are: the Revolutionary Communist Party, the All-African Peoples Revolutionary Party, Refuse and Resist, the International League of Peoples' Struggle and the National Lawyers Guild, among others. One head of this two-headed communist monster is in charge of handling the manifesto and collecting celebrity signatures while the other communist head of this monster handles street demonstrations and other protests. The Communists have arrived and they're making themselves known. Be aware. Be alert. And Be Smart.
2 posted on 03/18/2003 9:48:13 AM PST by smiley
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To: jdege
If true, this certainly puts things in their proper perspective.
3 posted on 03/18/2003 9:57:34 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: jdege
BUMP.

The "International Womens' Day" protests a couple of weeks ago were held in honor of a communist holiday that goes back to Lenin (that is was IWD is).

4 posted on 03/18/2003 9:59:49 AM PST by weegee (McCarthy was right - Fight the Red Menace)
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To: jdege
When the Soviet Union collapsed, Communism went global.

It's a bigger threat than ever, especially here at home.
5 posted on 03/18/2003 10:02:08 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: weegee
That is true. Women's Day is a communist holiday and so is the may 1st holiday celebrated by many "labor" groups.

Next up, 'earth day' to replace Easter.
7 posted on 03/18/2003 10:08:33 AM PST by WOSG (Liberate Iraq! Lets Roll! now!)
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To: jdege
I would say the big difference with the marchers of today versus decades ago is who is financing them.

I doubt that any surviving commies have any spare money. However, Opecker Islamofacist killer thugs who control Iraq/Iran have tons of money.

Also, the countries addicted to the petro $'s of Iraq/Iran like France, Germany, Russia, and the ChiComs have a lot to lose if Saddam falls. France has a $50 billion industry just on Iraqi oil each year. Of course they make billions selling WMDs to the Islamofacist Killer/Thugs.

The old and basically powerless commies have made allies with their cash cow Islamofacists to finance these so called peace protests.
8 posted on 03/18/2003 10:08:50 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: jdege
Another very good and useful article by General Pacepa. His previous articles in National Review have also pointed out the links (DIRECT CONNECTIONS) between most of the leaders of the current ANTI-WAR/US movement and the commies of old. They are one in the same.

And I know that I could go the rest of my life without ever seeing another movie staring Susan Sarandon, Janine Garafalo, Tim Robbins, Sean Penn, et al.

I am sure all the Hwood lefties will be very obvious this sunday at the oscars, and will voice their displeasure at Bush. Too bad. I hope every single actor/actress badmouths the president, that way America will get to see how Hollywood really feels, and we can do to them what we are doing to the Dixie Chicks.
9 posted on 03/18/2003 10:10:54 AM PST by pittsburgh gop guy (now serving eastern Pennsylvania and the Lehigh Valley.......)
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To: yonif; joanie-f; dennisw; snopercod; jdege
Includes what I was saying on the other FR webpage.
10 posted on 03/18/2003 10:12:20 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: jdege
Big bump. (Fox News currently has a story on who's financing these "grassroots" organizations.)
11 posted on 03/18/2003 10:12:26 AM PST by talleyman (The Left is Sa-damanated by hatred for America)
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To: jdege
Red Star rising again
Red star on rise again in Russia (written by Vladimir Isachenkov)

President Vladimir Putin brought back the Soviet-era red star Tuesday 26th November [2002] as the Russian military's emblem, the latest in a series of restored communist symbols that play to nostalgia but have some people wary of a return to the repressive past.

The five-point star never vanished but was phased out after the fall of the Iron Curtain.

Putin's plan - if backed by parliament, as expected - would return the star officially to the military's enormous parade banners. Military caps and belt buckles likely would be next.

"The star is sacred for all servicemen," Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said at a meeting of top generals broadcast on television, with a frowning Putin seated behind him. "Our fathers and grandfathers went to battle with the star."

Restoring the star - the defense minister's idea - was expected to please the conservative military, and appeared to be a Kremlin attempt to reinforce servicemen's loyalty.

The move comes after the Russian parliament, on Putin's initiative, rehabilitated the tune of the old Soviet anthem with new words. It also brought back the Soviet-era red banner as the military flag, which now should get back its star.

Putin says he hopes the resurrected symbols will help mend deep rifts in society by acknowledging achievements of the Soviet past that older generations cherish. But critics say the revivals send a powerful, potentially troubling signal to the rest of the country.

Some fear the return of authoritarian icons could herald a return of a Soviet-style authoritarian regime. Others say the symbols could be abused by Russians too young to understand their meaning.

"It's very serious. Because it doesn't just feed old people's nostalgia, but also effects the youth who don't understand the fascist or communist ideologies but are eager to grasp their symbols," said Sergei Grigoryants, a Soviet-era dissident and critic of the government.

The star had symbolized the Red Army since the army's formation after the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. The Russian military newspaper is called "Red Star." But the star appeared elsewhere, too, on the communist flag above the hammer and sickle and in the graphics of Soviet-era TV news broadcasts.

And the star never was wiped out entirely. It remained on older-model tanks and planes. Red stars sit atop the pointed towers of the Kremlin, even today.

In bringing back old icons, lawmakers also endorsed the czarist-era white-red-and-blue flag that Russia has been using since the 1991 Soviet demise, as well as the old imperial emblem of a double-headed eagle.

One observer sees it as Putin's scattershot plan to broaden his support base.

"No one is left out: Communists get their anthem, the conservatives have a double-headed eagle and democrats their tricolor flag," says Lyudmila Alexeyeva, a Soviet-era dissident head of the Moscow Helsinki Group, a human rights organization. "It makes one wonder what kind of national ideology such a state has," she said.

Others interpreted the call to bring back the red star as an indication the government had abandoned its push for radical military reform.

 

Same story, elsewhere, includes pic.

Red star rising: Putin revives Soviet symbol


Russian honor guards hold Soviet-era military flags with red stars during a ceremony to mark the 61st anniversary of the Nazi invasion.

AP photo


12 posted on 03/18/2003 10:20:20 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: smiley
I hope the police and the pols in all large cities will react against these protesting commies and fast. They need to be jailed and deported to commie nations they support!
13 posted on 03/18/2003 10:21:14 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: smiley
Can you provide a link? Because their archive of his articles only goes up to January, and the most recent ones are for March, but none of the February ones are accessible.
14 posted on 03/18/2003 10:26:25 AM PST by dark_lord
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To: Grampa Dave
However, Opecker Islamofacist killer thugs who control Iraq/Iran have tons of money.

At the risk of sounding completely evil, let me paint an interesting scenario for you:

The Islamofacists are desperate to get their message out. In a certain sense, they are almost like the VCs during the dot.com 90s - literally throwing money at even the most ludicrous business plans.

What if one were to set up a front organization that purported to help the anti-war movement with the secret internal purpose of defrauding the 'investors'.

In fact, if one were to take it an additional step further, one could even supposedly 'help' organize demonstrations, but all the while actually helping sabotage their effectiveness, as well as collecting an interesting database of names/IDs for later sale to various security organizations.

Yes, it would be a dangerous game, but if one were successful, one could haul off a couple of $mil in no time, deposit it in Switzerland and disappear.

15 posted on 03/18/2003 10:27:57 AM PST by Snerfling
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To: DoughtyOne
this certainly puts things in their proper perspective.

I'm currently working on a thesis on Orwell. I find this so amazing. If I were to take Orwell's 1930's writings and change references to time and place, you would not be able to distinguish between then and now regarding global communistic thought and goals. Orwell was a lefty but saw through the communist agenda. It's the same thing all over again 65-70 years later!

16 posted on 03/18/2003 10:29:27 AM PST by twigs
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To: talleyman
You mean THIS ONE??? (the one copied and pasted beneath the line below).

I"m gonna see if it has been posted. Many of us have been reporting on these groups since their first rally after 9/11.

Thanks for pointing me to this article on Fox News!! I'm sending a "THANKYOU" to the editor of the piece, which you can do from the page the article is on.

FRegards, Vets
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Link to article/article to follow:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81314,00.html

Tuesday, March 18, 2003

SEATTLE — Large anti-war protests come with a hefty price tag.

Money is needed to rent or buy stages, sound systems, permits and portable toilets, and tabs often run as high as $200,000 per demonstration — much more than the average grassroots peace group will ever have in its coffers.

So who is picking up the tab?

"The major anti-U.S. government demonstrations are organized by people who have been around for a long time, particularly the Workers World Party, which has existed for more than 30 years now and has always supported the enemies of the United States," said Herbert Romerstein, a retired agent of the U.S. Information Agency.

The Workers World Party describes itself as Marxist in nature.

Officially, protest organizers are groups such as Not in Our Name and International A.N.S.W.E.R., but the demonstration's sponsors have long histories of backing anti-government causes.

Not in Our Name is financed by the Interreligious Foundation for Community Organization. I.F.C.O. is a million-dollar-a-year non-profit that supports Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and once sponsored a group headed by Sami Al-Arian — the University of South Florida professor being charged with fundraising for terrorist organizations Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

A.N.S.W.E.R. is an offshoot of the International Action Center, which intelligence officials say is a front for the Worker's World Party. A.N.S.W.E.R. canceled a scheduled interview with Fox News but a worker in the Seattle field office acknowledged there are ties.

"There are some Workers World Party members in A.N.S.W.E.R.," said A.N.S.W.E.R. coordinator Jim McMahan.

The International Action Center was founded by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, who is a longtime public face of the anti-war movement.

The Workers World Party supports North Korea's brutal regime and I.F.C.O. defied U.N. sanctions when it made a trip to Iraq in the mid-1990s. Now, both are sugar daddies to the anti-war movement.

"The American people have the right to know whether stooges of [North Korean leader] Kim Jong Il or Castro or Saddam Hussein are involved in these demonstrations," Romerstein said.

The groups bankrolling these protests say they're spending their money the way donors would want, and protest organizers say it doesn't matter where the money comes from — the message is their own.

Others wonder if knowing the fringe politics of the people paying the bills might keep some demonstrators off the streets.

But anti-war organizers — regardless of their financial backing — are plugging ahead and are actually planning more aggressive action that they say will be hard to ignore, despite the fact that the United States is on the brink of war with Iraq.

"People will step up their actions, there will be active civil disobedience," said Simona Sharoni of United for Peace in Thurston County, Wash.

Direct Action, a San Francisco Bay-area group of anti-war veterans, has been drawing up their own battle plan should there be a war.

They say they will shut down 70 targets in San Francisco alone, including power plants, water systems, the Federal Reserve, oil companies, the Pacific Exchange and the Transamerica Building.

And their hit list goes beyond economic targets.

Some protesters are promising to chain themselves to fences at schools and day care centers so working parents will have to stay home from their jobs. Organizers say this will give others a chance to contemplate how war affects the children of Iraq.

"The civilians in Iraq are losing their lives and one day of work is worth a thousand lives," said Leone Reinbold, an anti-war activist in San Francisco.

Reinbold helped organize the World Trade Organization protest in Seattle three years ago. She blames the violence and damage on anarchists from the radical fringe, not the mainstream demonstrators.

All the same, police departments from coast to coast know that keeping things peaceful won't be easy.

"We know based on the last one that each preceding demonstration has been a little bit more volatile than the one before," said Deputy Chief Greg Suhr of the San Francisco Police Department.

Some protestors are vowing to bring traffic to a standstill, as they recently did on a Seattle bridge. But many wonder if paralyzing the morning commute and engaging in similar disruptions will win converts or make enemies of people losing patience with their tactics.

Fox News' Dan Springer contributed to this report.
18 posted on 03/18/2003 10:31:54 AM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Snerfling
Did you hear about Don Johnson the actor getting caught being mule coming from or going to Switzerland from Germany with 8 billion $s (billion not millions) in a suitcase.

My first thought when this surfaced was exactly what you presented here.

"What if one were to set up a front organization that purported to help the anti-war movement with the secret internal purpose of defrauding the 'investors'.

In fact, if one were to take it an additional step further, one could even supposedly 'help' organize demonstrations, but all the while actually helping sabotage their effectiveness, as well as collecting an interesting database of names/IDs for later sale to various security organizations.

Yes, it would be a dangerous game, but if one were successful, one could haul off a couple of $mil in no time, deposit it in Switzerland and disappear.


19 posted on 03/18/2003 10:33:11 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Snerfling
Here is the link to the Don Johnson thread, Miami Vice' Star Scandal (Germans detain Don Johnson with $8 BILLION (with a B!) in suitcase)
20 posted on 03/18/2003 10:35:49 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Bump.
21 posted on 03/18/2003 10:35:57 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: jdege
Anti-War Protests Have Big Price Tags

Tuesday, March 18, 2003



SEATTLE — Large anti-war protests come with a hefty price tag.

Money is needed to rent or buy stages, sound systems, permits and portable toilets, and tabs often run as high as $200,000 per demonstration — much more than the average grassroots peace group will ever have in its coffers.

So who is picking up the tab?

"The major anti-U.S. government demonstrations are organized by people who have been around for a long time, particularly the Workers World Party, which has existed for more than 30 years now and has always supported the enemies of the United States," said Herbert Romerstein, a retired agent of the U.S. Information Agency.

The Workers World Party describes itself as Marxist in nature.

Officially, protest organizers are groups such as Not in Our Name and International A.N.S.W.E.R., but the demonstration's sponsors have long histories of backing anti-government causes.

Not in Our Name is financed by the Interreligious Foundation for Community Organization. I.F.C.O. is a million-dollar-a-year non-profit that supports Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and once sponsored a group headed by Sami Al-Arian — the University of South Florida professor being charged with fundraising for terrorist organizations Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

A.N.S.W.E.R. is an offshoot of the International Action Center, which intelligence officials say is a front for the Worker's World Party. A.N.S.W.E.R. canceled a scheduled interview with Fox News but a worker in the Seattle field office acknowledged there are ties.

"There are some Workers World Party members in A.N.S.W.E.R.," said A.N.S.W.E.R. coordinator Jim McMahan.

The International Action Center was founded by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, who is a longtime public face of the anti-war movement.

The Workers World Party supports North Korea's brutal regime and I.F.C.O. defied U.N. sanctions when it made a trip to Iraq in the mid-1990s. Now, both are sugar daddies to the anti-war movement.

"The American people have the right to know whether stooges of [North Korean leader] Kim Jong Il or Castro or Saddam Hussein are involved in these demonstrations," Romerstein said.

The groups bankrolling these protests say they're spending their money the way donors would want, and protest organizers say it doesn't matter where the money comes from — the message is their own.

Others wonder if knowing the fringe politics of the people paying the bills might keep some demonstrators off the streets.

But anti-war organizers — regardless of their financial backing — are plugging ahead and are actually planning more aggressive action that they say will be hard to ignore, despite the fact that the United States is on the brink of war with Iraq.

"People will step up their actions, there will be active civil disobedience," said Simona Sharoni of United for Peace in Thurston County, Wash.

Direct Action, a San Francisco Bay-area group of anti-war veterans, has been drawing up their own battle plan should there be a war.

They say they will shut down 70 targets in San Francisco alone, including power plants, water systems, the Federal Reserve, oil companies, the Pacific Exchange and the Transamerica Building.

And their hit list goes beyond economic targets.

Some protesters are promising to chain themselves to fences at schools and day care centers so working parents will have to stay home from their jobs. Organizers say this will give others a chance to contemplate how war affects the children of Iraq.

"The civilians in Iraq are losing their lives and one day of work is worth a thousand lives," said Leone Reinbold, an anti-war activist in San Francisco.

Reinbold helped organize the World Trade Organization protest in Seattle three years ago. She blames the violence and damage on anarchists from the radical fringe, not the mainstream demonstrators.

All the same, police departments from coast to coast know that keeping things peaceful won't be easy.

"We know based on the last one that each preceding demonstration has been a little bit more volatile than the one before," said Deputy Chief Greg Suhr of the San Francisco Police Department.

Some protestors are vowing to bring traffic to a standstill, as they recently did on a Seattle bridge. But many wonder if paralyzing the morning commute and engaging in similar disruptions will win converts or make enemies of people losing patience with their tactics.
22 posted on 03/18/2003 10:38:56 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: twigs; DoughtyOne
Ooo! Do I get an advanced degree? Here is a little quote written in 1933 from Orwell's Homage to Catalonia:
In reality, it was the Communists above all others who prevented revolution in Spain. Later, when the Right Wing forces were in full control, the Communists showed themselves willing to go a great deal further than the Liberals in hunting down revolutionary leaders.

[Snip]

Between the Communists and those who claim to stand to the Left of them there is a real difference. The Communists hold that Fascism can be beaten by alliance with sections of the capitalist class (the Popular Front); their opponents hold that this maneuver simply gives Fascism new breeding-grounds. The question has got to be settled; to make the wrong decision may be to land ourselves in for centuries of semi-slavery.


23 posted on 03/18/2003 10:40:27 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: jdege
pinko ba$tard BUMP
24 posted on 03/18/2003 10:43:08 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Carry_Okie
Great book! I'm glad to see that people are still reading it, but I'm not surprised that it's a Freeper! Have you read The Road to Wigan Pier? It's good too. The second half of the book has Orwell just pounding his fellow socialists. His descriptions and concerns haven't changed at all. And the socialists just hated him--still do.

By the way, I'm impressed that you've read this. If it hadn't been for my thesis, these gems would have passed me by.

25 posted on 03/18/2003 10:45:23 AM PST by twigs
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To: Carry_Okie
I hereby grant to you the advanced degree you so richly deserve.
26 posted on 03/18/2003 10:51:58 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: twigs
I had to find it used. Haven't read the Road to Wigan Pier.

I think Orwell's associations with powerful Fabian socialists such as HG Wells and Huxley were the source of much of his warnings. He wasn't just speculating when he created O'Brien.
27 posted on 03/18/2003 10:54:50 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: DoughtyOne
LOL!

Piled hip-Deep?
28 posted on 03/18/2003 10:56:07 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
You're right. I just read last night that the Fabian Society holds the rights to Orwell's estate until, I forget the year, maybe 2025? I haven't confirmed that. I find that astounding if they do. Apparently, there's good reason to believe he named 1984 based on the FS. They started in 1884 and believed in hooking the masses in incremental degrees, taking perhaps 100 years. I haven't read 1984 in years but must do so immediately if I expect to ever teach!
29 posted on 03/18/2003 11:00:01 AM PST by twigs
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To: Carry_Okie
Yeah. So? :)
30 posted on 03/18/2003 11:14:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Snerfling
Very, very illegal. However, I sure do like how you think.
31 posted on 03/18/2003 11:20:13 AM PST by 11Bush
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To: Carry_Okie
#5

So true. To bad most continue to have their heads buried in the sand, it will cost them their lives.
32 posted on 03/18/2003 12:05:01 PM PST by DarkWaters
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To: Grampa Dave
The old and basically powerless commies have made allies with their cash cow Islamofacists

The thugs just have a new paymaster.

33 posted on 03/18/2003 12:25:17 PM PST by razorback-bert (Accepting today's morals often means we've none of our own.)
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To: jdege; smiley; DoughtyOne
It's definitely true. When I was in Spain last week, I was totally stunned by the number of red flags bearing a hammer and sickle that I saw at the so-called "peace" demonstration in Madrid.
34 posted on 03/18/2003 12:29:49 PM PST by livius
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To: livius
Pictures? I ask this because we need to document whenever possible. BTW, I do believe you, I just want folks to be able to see photos of it.
35 posted on 03/18/2003 12:35:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: jdege
bump for later reading
36 posted on 03/18/2003 1:02:49 PM PST by FirstTomato ("In the end,We will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" M L King)
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To: Carry_Okie
Amen!!!
OPs4 God Bless America!
37 posted on 03/18/2003 1:13:08 PM PST by OPS4
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To: FirstTomato
I think of Orwell everytime I walk outside and see a silver screen glowing in each livingroom...and everytime I flip channels and see the same three stories being pounded all night long...knowing that the agenda was set by the morning New York Times.

However, interviews with Muslims throughout the Middle East are even scarier. From Beirut to Cairo, they all say that democracy cannot come from occupation, it must arise from the people. That obviously comes from the same state run progagnda and discounts history since WWII and the democracies of Germany, Japan, and South Korea.

38 posted on 03/18/2003 1:22:08 PM PST by ClaireSolt
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To: jdege
For those who don't remember, Communists always said that they would defeat us from within. If that frightens you, try to figure out how to get public university faculties back to reflecting the values of the citizens, instead of undermining them. Then see if there is a way that courts extend the same rights to the majority as they do to atheists. If Hillary is elected president, they will have won, because they got her at Yale Law school.
39 posted on 03/18/2003 1:28:03 PM PST by ClaireSolt
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To: jdege
bump
40 posted on 03/18/2003 1:39:09 PM PST by Stultis
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To: DoughtyOne
I tried to take some photos but it was night time in Puerta del Sol and my flash, for some reason, would not flash. So all I got was blobs of color, because the camera slows when there's low light and people were, of course, still moving.

A particularly ugly scene was a group of young men (university or high school students, by the look of them) dancing around in a circle waving a couple of these red flags. The stuff of nightmares.
41 posted on 03/18/2003 2:10:08 PM PST by livius
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To: livius
I maintain there is essentially a worldwide effort to brainwash kids into thinking communism is wonderful.
42 posted on 03/18/2003 2:15:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
There's a world-wide effort to brainwash kids into not thinking.
43 posted on 03/18/2003 2:52:43 PM PST by jdege
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To: hellinahandcart
ping!
44 posted on 03/18/2003 3:04:25 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: DoughtyOne
there is a worldwide effort to brainwash kids into thinking communism is wonderful

I think you're absolutely right. And in Spain, as in the US and just about everywhere else, you can thank the teachers' union.

45 posted on 03/18/2003 3:27:14 PM PST by livius
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To: jdege; Carry_Okie
Always follow the money and look past the resume of the leadership . The new CP is the same as the old system . They just caress us with a different stroke . 1 example would be the environmental groups & not just the groups in America .

The CP already had a tap root in these thousands of factions globally for the most part . It makes sense to weld the 2 families together . It's also for the children . Carry_Okie is spot on and dead to rights . When the Soviet Union collapsedCommunism went global . Answer is big but dig a little deeper & look who they network with .

46 posted on 03/18/2003 4:00:27 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: seamole
I'd like to be on this ping list.
The link you pointed to didn't help me understand the process....
47 posted on 03/18/2003 4:30:24 PM PST by visualops
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To: dorben
Carry_Okie is spot on and dead to rights.

More than you realize, thank you.

I have invented a functional antidote to global enviro-communism, what is more rightly regarded as highly organized crime. It is a free market environmental management system, fully capable of replacing the need for regulatory government. I invite you to take a look, and consider the reviews.

48 posted on 03/18/2003 4:32:26 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie; All
You have given so much to this forum . I'm inviting the thread to dig a little deeper also . Thank you Sir . I'll start tonight .
50 posted on 03/18/2003 4:38:25 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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