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China readies for future U.S. fight
CNN ^ | 3/25/03 | Willy Wo-Lap Lam

Posted on 03/26/2003 8:20:29 PM PST by AnimalLover

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

CHINA READIES FOR FUTURE U.S. FIGHT March 26, 2003 CNN reports: "The Iraqi war has convinced the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leadership that some form of confrontation with the U.S. could come earlier than expected. Beijing has also begun to fine-tune its domestic and security policies to counter the perceived threat of U.S. 'neo-imperialism.' As more emphasis is being put on boosting national strength and cohesiveness, a big blow could be dealt to both economic and political reform. That the new leadership has concluded China is coming up against formidable challenges in the short to medium term is evident from recent statements by President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao. Hu indicated earlier this year Beijing must pay more attention to global developments so that 'China make good preparations before the rainstorm ... and be in a position to seize the initiative.' Wen also pointed out in the first meeting of the State Council, or cabinet, last Saturday the leadership 'must keep a cool head.' 'We must boost our consciousness about disasters and downturns -- and think about dangers in the midst of [apparent] safety,' he said…"


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Free Republic; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: china; confrontation; war
And......the Chinese terminal - COSCO (China Ocean Shipping Co) is almost completed at the Port of Los Angeles. Have written the local newspapers by way of Letters to the Editor and naturally, no response. This is in addition to the comments made by ALOHA RONNIE and the fact that he tried a couple of years ago to stop this but, thanks to the then Mayor of Long Beach and Hillary Clinton, the Chinese terminal went ahead. With all the defense contractors around - what do you think?
1 posted on 03/26/2003 8:20:30 PM PST by AnimalLover
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To: AnimalLover
Always amazes me the persistence of people who are idiots yet doggedly persist in being idiots, like Hal Lindsey.
2 posted on 03/26/2003 8:26:45 PM PST by John H K
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To: AnimalLover
Gotta push inventory; our homeland security will be set up before to long.
3 posted on 03/26/2003 8:29:41 PM PST by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: AnimalLover
**Bump**
4 posted on 03/26/2003 8:30:44 PM PST by TwoStep (Ignorance can be cured, stupid is forever!)
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To: John H K
Before you go calling him an "idiot" you should read the article.

Communist China has grand designs on conquoring the Pacific Rim and nullifying America as a world power which can forstall or stop their delusions of grandure.

Mr. Lindsey is correct, if you do not believe him, just look at what China has been up to over the last two decades and what they want to do with their military power. Another good indicator is their lack of willingness to reign in their rabid dog leader of North Korea. They could end the nuclear threat NK poses tomorrow... if they wanted to, but they don't!

5 posted on 03/26/2003 8:38:07 PM PST by Jmouse007
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To: John H K
Why in the world are you bashing Hal Lindsey? He isn't mentioned in this article, has nothing to do with it, and to the best of my knowledge is a 100% American patriot. What's up with dragging him thru the mud?
6 posted on 03/26/2003 8:43:10 PM PST by holyscroller (Why are Liberal female media types always ugly to boot?)
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To: AnimalLover
China watching?

To what end?

7 posted on 03/26/2003 8:55:17 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: AnimalLover
Chinese strategy is different than American techniques.

The Chinese use slow effort to infiltrate organizations. The Chi-Comms are not averse to lying and fakery in order to paint themselves as true to the effort.

Then, after they have situated themselves in pivotal points, they turn the tide towards their own companies.

A tour through Fry's or KMart or Walmart makes it clear.
8 posted on 03/26/2003 9:24:42 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: philetus; HighRoadToChina
Ping!
9 posted on 03/26/2003 9:33:48 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (No, as a matter a fact, I'm NOT done talking.)
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To: Jmouse007
John HK just doesn't want to face the fact that soon the Chinese will nationalize all of our US businesses and manufacturing and they will loose big time. It's just a question of time.

And you are correct...China has never made any bones about conquering the USA. Last I read, China was well on it's way to beating us as the world's leading economic power. They claimed it would take 20 years, but things are progressing so well that now they advise it will be under 10.

In the meantime, the US is dying from lack of capital and jobs. And all of that cash that used to circulate in American pockets which made us so great now buys missiles to destroy our country.

But this is what happens when one allows Big Business to run our government like it has for decades.
10 posted on 03/26/2003 9:57:18 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Blue Collar Christian
About 68% of the 5.6 million shipping containers that arrive in the U.S. each year arrive from just 20 ports overseas.

the Customs Service only searches two percent of the containers that enter the United States each year.

11 posted on 03/26/2003 10:00:44 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: AnimalLover; TwoStep
Good post. This is another story that the news media has been ignoring. It is in our own backyard and they can't see the forest for the trees.
12 posted on 03/26/2003 10:56:22 PM PST by broomhilda
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To: John H K
Who is an idiot? Here's a posting from early this month -
looks like there are a lot of concerned people out there!

To: HighRoadToChina

Li Ka Shing's largest business partner is the state-owned China Ocean Shipping Company, or COSCO. COSCO is the flag carrier for China, hauling official cargo exported by the Chinese government, including weapons. For example, the fully automatic AK-47 machine guns from Poly Technologies that were confiscated in the 1996 U.S. Customs sting operation were found onboard a COSCO ship.

U.S. Navy photos show COSCO cargo ships carrying missile-armed patrol boats bound for Iran and tons of depleted-uranium anti-tank shells for Pakistan. COSCO ships have carried jet fighters, missile parts and tanks for export to Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Syria and Libya. COSCO is also part of the Chinese navy and wholly owned by the Chinese government. COSCO is better known for its failed attempt to purchase the former Long Beach Naval Station with Li Ka Shing's Hutchison Whampoa. The failure was due mainly to national security objections voiced behind closed doors by U.S. Defense Department officials.

I can see that Li Ka Shing's role is certainly profitable for both --the Chinese army and him, alright!


9 posted on 03/06/2003 9:16 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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13 posted on 03/27/2003 1:21:14 AM PST by AnimalLover
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To: AnimalLover
china isn't capable of attacking the us in the forseeable future. its simply impossible. the only place china could fight us is on the asian mainland, or maybe in japan.
14 posted on 03/27/2003 2:25:57 AM PST by Nayt2 (this must be new)
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To: John H K
If you are suggesting that Willy Lam is an idiot, your credibility has just plummetted permanently to the basement. Outside of the ruling elites themselves, nobody has a better line on inside the Chicom's heads.
15 posted on 03/27/2003 5:31:48 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (They have been warned.)
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To: Nayt2
"its simply impossible"

I love that line! Better read Bill Gertz's "The China Threat" before you make another similar statement.
16 posted on 03/27/2003 6:26:55 AM PST by HighRoadToChina (Never Again!)
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To: Jmouse007
Hal Lindsay didn't say it - the Bible did:

Revelation 10 vs 14 & 15 & 16

14 "Release the four angels who are bound at the great Euphrates River". 15 And the four angels who had been prepared for this hour and day and month and year were turned loose to kill one-third of all the people on earth. 16 They led an army of 200 million troops - I heard an announcement of how many there were.

Of course I am referring to the "Kings of the East" - considered to be China. Dusted my bible off to find this verse.

17 posted on 03/27/2003 9:14:33 AM PST by aCDNinUSA
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To: AnimalLover
Maybe an "errant" nuke will find its way over to Beijing.
18 posted on 03/27/2003 9:16:55 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Diane Feinstein will lose big. Her husband owns three Chinese companies.

Wonder how many other guv'mint types sold us out to line their own pockets.

John Kerry/John McCain and Vietnam, anyone?
19 posted on 03/27/2003 9:18:39 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: Jeff Head
ping
20 posted on 03/27/2003 9:20:28 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Nayt2
Honey, they can do it from Panama. They have been acquiring property down there just for this purpose.
21 posted on 03/27/2003 9:21:01 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: Nayt2
IMHO, China will NOT attack us UNLESS the Taiwanese declare independence, and we fight on the side of the TW
22 posted on 03/27/2003 9:22:16 AM PST by The Pheonix
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To: The Pheonix
Who do you think is rattling North Korea?
23 posted on 03/27/2003 9:22:46 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: AnimalLover
a friend of mine who served in the Canadian reserves (48th Highlanders) in the early 90s told me much of their training was in preparation for fighting the Chinese. Take that for what it's worth, but they're a proud unit.
24 posted on 03/27/2003 9:24:56 AM PST by eBelasco
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To: Nayt2
china isn't capable of attacking the us in the forseeable future. its simply impossible. the only place china could fight us is on the asian mainland, or maybe in japan.

A couple of megatons hidden in the hold of a COSCO ship berthed at the new LA facility would take out a big chunk of Southern California. Do you seriously believe that they would NOT do so?

25 posted on 03/27/2003 9:30:19 AM PST by JimRed (Disinformation is the leftist's and enemy's friend; consider the source before believing.)
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To: John H K
Hal Lindsey is great.
26 posted on 03/27/2003 9:32:28 AM PST by Mark17
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To: AnimalLover
You won't get a response discouraging ANY Chinese development in California.

Dianne Feinstein will make sure of that - she and her husband have millions riding on Chinese trade with the U.S.

27 posted on 03/27/2003 9:34:35 AM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: Jmouse007
"Snort - Can Yu Beweeve it! - Snort - Snort"
These Stupid Merikans - Gave Us Owr Own Seaport!!

28 posted on 03/27/2003 9:36:32 AM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: JimRed
You could add that it would be near impossible to trace it back to them as well.
29 posted on 03/27/2003 11:09:17 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: AnimalLover
bttt
30 posted on 03/27/2003 12:39:38 PM PST by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
And you are correct...China has never made any bones about conquering the USA. Last I read, China was well on it's way to beating us as the world's leading economic power. They claimed it would take 20 years, but things are progressing so well that now they advise it will be under 10.

And Arthur Andersen verified their numbers, right?

31 posted on 03/27/2003 12:42:10 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: JimRed
A couple of megatons hidden in the hold of a COSCO ship berthed at the new LA facility would take out a big chunk of Southern California. Do you seriously believe that they would NOT do so?

It would take out a SMALL chunk of Southern California.

And, just out of idle curiousity, what, EXACTLY, would China gain in return for detonating a thermonuclear bomb in Long Beach? What price would they pay in exchange?

In short, please give us a coherent theory of victory for the Chinese in the scenario you describe.

32 posted on 03/27/2003 12:46:19 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: JimRed
Why does everyone think it will be a military attack? An economic attack is far more likely. With Greenspan, Bernahke, and the rest of the band of arrogant apparatchniks at the Fed trashing out the dollar, an economic attack seems more likely. What would happen if China decided to convert their currency to a gold standard? How many foreigners would be interested in owning paper US dollars?
33 posted on 03/27/2003 12:57:06 PM PST by Cicero5
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To: CJ Wolf
Oh, we'll trace it alright.

By its Los Alamos "signature."

[Courtesy of the traitors KKKli'toon, Goreleone, O'Leary, Gubbnah-Bill Richardson, Lee Wen Ho et al!]
34 posted on 03/27/2003 1:00:05 PM PST by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: Poohbah
If a nuke was to blow up in a US port, what are the chances we would be able to tell exactly where it came from?
35 posted on 03/27/2003 1:05:38 PM PST by winodog (The problem is sin. The solution is Christ.)
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To: winodog
If a nuke was to blow up in a US port, what are the chances we would be able to tell exactly where it came from?

Close enough to unity that the odds of us NOT identifying the source of the device are roughly on a par with the odds of me hitting the gazillion dollar slot machine jackpot in Vegas...AFTER I get a date with Jennifer Love Hewitt.

A large enough device to destroy a large area limits the likely source down to a very few countries. The fallout products are easily identified by their unique trace elements.

36 posted on 03/27/2003 1:10:55 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: CJ Wolf
You could add that it would be near impossible to trace it back to them as well.

You could...if you wanted to be factually incorrect.

37 posted on 03/27/2003 1:12:08 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com; John H K
John HK has no credibility. He's a professional nay-sayer and rabble rouser, whose posts all essentially say the same thing: "this article is bullsh/t." He hardly ever contributes anything of value to a discussion.
38 posted on 03/27/2003 1:19:13 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: AnimalLover
>>>COSCO

Probably take less than a platoon to get it back. Take the money, reposess later.

snooker
39 posted on 03/27/2003 1:21:06 PM PST by snooker
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To: Mr. Mojo
John HK has no credibility. He's a professional nay-sayer and rabble rouser, whose posts all essentially say the same thing: "this article is bullsh/t." He hardly ever contributes anything of value to a discussion.

Honestly...his comments are more grounded in reality than those of the professional Chicken Littles and panic-mongerers.

40 posted on 03/27/2003 1:25:09 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
To dismiss Lam as an idiot is to abandon one's credibility regarding China, at any rate.
41 posted on 03/27/2003 3:53:15 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (They have been warned.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Well, Lam may have an insight into what China's leaders *want* to do.

The problem is that China is a long ways away from actually being able to do it, and their economy looks suspiciously like Enron's balance sheet writ out on a nation-state scale.

As we said when I was a (much younger than I am now :o) jarhead, "want into one hand, s**t into the other, and tell me which one fills up first."
42 posted on 03/27/2003 3:55:59 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Nayt2
china isn't capable of attacking the us in the forseeable future.

All depends on what is in those millions of shipping containers besides consumer electronics. Those ships too could be used to transport other "containers". Just as the Brits used container ships to transport all sorts of stuff to the Falklands, including operating radar sets, Harrier jets and other war like stores. They even used one ship as a make do aircraft carrier. (For the Harriers).

Of course container ships are also big and slow targets for all sorts of things that go boom!

43 posted on 03/27/2003 4:47:53 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Poohbah
In short, please give us a coherent theory of victory for the Chinese in the scenario you describe.

Victory? I don't think so. But an opportunity to hurt a nation they perceive as an enemy, with plausible deniability (how do we prove that it wasn't Islamofascist terrorists) would be appealing to them.

Kind of like the street punk who vandalizes vehicles because he resents the "rich" owners. If he's not caught, he's "won", but he's won nothing.

44 posted on 03/27/2003 8:14:51 PM PST by JimRed (Disinformation is the leftist's and enemy's friend; consider the source before believing.)
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To: JimRed
Victory? I don't think so. But an opportunity to hurt a nation they perceive as an enemy, with plausible deniability (how do we prove that it wasn't Islamofascist terrorists) would be appealing to them.

A large-scale device, exploding in a COSCO hull, with fallout showing that the nuclear material came from China is pretty much a case of the ChiComs shouting "WE DID IT, PLEASE VAPORIZE US!"

There's a reason the USSR never tried any of this stuff during the Cold War--it's a lot easier to ID the source of the bomb than most laymen think.

45 posted on 03/28/2003 5:24:14 AM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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