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1 posted on 04/01/2003 7:00:34 PM PST by Sweet_Sunflower29
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Bump for Great Justice!
2 posted on 04/01/2003 7:03:22 PM PST by LibKill (MOAB, the greatest advance in Foreign Relations since the cat-o'-nine-tails!)
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"The presumption of paternity doctrine ... was created to prevent innocent children from bearing the stigma of illegitimacy," Silverblatt said. "What this does is open the door for the destruction of that doctrine."


I disagree, IMO it opens the door for responsible parenting and the legal and moral objective of not rewarding fraud.
3 posted on 04/01/2003 7:06:06 PM PST by rolling_stone
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This is so difficult. Doran was cheated royally, but now the boy is abandoned by the man he called "Daddy". The mother is to blame, but it's a no win situation. Doran won't have to pay child support which is fair, but he and the boy were cheated.
5 posted on 04/01/2003 7:07:34 PM PST by xJones
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From a person that was screwed. by the courts in a< paternity case, this is greeeeeaaat news.

Too late for me, but great news all the same.

6 posted on 04/01/2003 7:14:31 PM PST by OneVike
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They mispelled Smeagol
9 posted on 04/01/2003 7:16:07 PM PST by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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If I found out my son was actually someone elses it wouldn't change a thing in the relationship or in my level of support. I've never understood these stories.
11 posted on 04/01/2003 7:20:39 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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"Stigma of Illegitamacy"? Bull cr*p! That went out the window with the present welfare system.
12 posted on 04/01/2003 7:22:18 PM PST by nomad
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"It's a difficult case, no question about it. One sympathy certainly could be with the father. But if we have to adjudicate where sympathy lies, it should lie with the child, not the parents." What a load of bullsh_t!!!! I have no patience with deadbeat Dads but to pin a kid on someone who was not responsible for it is a case of two wrongs not making a right. What they should be doing is forcing the woman to fess up to who she was hosebagging around with and get him to pay for it.
13 posted on 04/01/2003 7:27:04 PM PST by misterrob
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Silverblatt said he understands the concerns raised by fathers rights advocates, but he believes the court's first and foremost responsibility is to the child.

That's a tearjerking crock designed to allow con artists to use children as human shields. That's been going on long enough. It's about time the courts re-visited this issue.

Let's have this woman introduce the kid to the real father, who can now start paying the child support. She can also explain to the kid that she hid his real father from him and lied to him all these years because she cared only about herself, and she treated both the child and the former husband as fools to be lied to for her convenience.

14 posted on 04/01/2003 7:27:08 PM PST by Nick Danger (More rallys planned! www.freerepublic.net)
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After reading so many of these stories (and know a few men this has happened to), I have come to the conclusion that a DNA test should be done on the child and supposed parents when the baby is born to eliminate all this crap then and there!

If the DNA doesn't fit, you must aquit!

19 posted on 04/01/2003 7:36:20 PM PST by BossLady
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This guy Doran is a dishonorable a$$hole. He lived with this boy as his own for four years. He was married to the mother at the time. He is the dad. Children come first and that's that. So what if he wasn't the sperm donor. He's the kid's dad.

This sets a lousy precedent.

P.S. The mom's a turd. I pity little master Doran.
26 posted on 04/01/2003 7:46:19 PM PST by Freakazoid
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Whoa... get the coffee brewing over this debate, it's gonna take awhile.

I agree the father who raised the boy, but isn't the biological father shouldn't be legally obligated to pay.

So who pays support for the poor kid?

The biological father, if he can be found? At this moment I say yes, for lack of a better solution.

What a mess.
37 posted on 04/01/2003 7:54:08 PM PST by livis_dad
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"This "presumption of paternity" is meant to protect the child by preserving the family structure."

What a bunch of hooey. These people don't give a crap about 'preserving the family structure.' These modern women want the government out of their uterus, but they darn sure want the government in man's pockets.

I'm all for government enforcing a man's legitimate obligations, but there needs to be equity. Our system today is unfair to men. I know this is anecdotal but I know a man who pays half of his paycheck to support his two daughters who were carried off to another state to live with mother and live-in boyfriend. That home has two paychecks plus the father's half: NO EQUITY.

I say that broad point the finger to the man who planted a child in her and make him pay. I'm sick of this double standard.
40 posted on 04/01/2003 8:00:26 PM PST by discipler
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It is about time..This ruling is wonderful news for men burdened by supporting other mens children
58 posted on 04/01/2003 8:33:16 PM PST by RnMomof7
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"The only person done dirty is the child. I feel sorry for a child who has been abandoned."

BULLCRAP!!

The man has also been done dirty.

What we really need is a way to punish the woman without punishing the child. I'm not sure how to do that.

I do like the idea someone posted about the man being able to sue the mother for all the child support payments after the child turns 18.

Throw some of the bit*hes in jail also appeals to me.


60 posted on 04/01/2003 8:40:37 PM PST by 429CJ (.)
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Hurray!!!!!
67 posted on 04/01/2003 8:48:23 PM PST by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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I believe that if the courts are really looking after the child, all divorce involving children would not have property settlements. All property is given to the Children. They own the houses, cars, boats, computers, cell phones, everything and parents will have to figure out how they will end up visiting the child instead of the other way around. If parents knew that to get divorced, they would have to give up all assets to the chilren with oversite appointed to a guardian. People might think twice before putting the children in this position in the first place.
74 posted on 04/01/2003 8:57:43 PM PST by GoreNoMore
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I don't know anybody personally who has been involved in a situation like this. However, this has been a bone of contention for me for a long time. I've never thought it fair that men be forced to pay for children who are not their biological offspring.

I don't understand the idea either that the child will suffer. Go after the REAL FATHER for child support. Let HIM have visitation rights to provide paternal nuturing. It's HIS job - not some guy who got tricked by some unscrupulous gal!
80 posted on 04/01/2003 9:29:25 PM PST by JudyB1938 (It's a wild world. There's a lot of bad and beware.)
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This case boils down to holding women responsible when they engage in reproductive fraud and deceit. It is patently immoral to force a man to pay for the biological offspring of another man when that action is not one of informed consent. Informed consent means that the man and woman agreed to her pregnancy by another male and the man agreed contractually to take parental responsibility for the financial support of the resulting offspring. This scenario is replayed often for couples that turn to artificial insemination as a means to conceive a child. Such action is mutually agreed by both parties. This is completely different than conceiving a child as an accident born of adulterous behavior.

The court decision to free this man of financial responsiblity for a child who was fraudulently represented as his biological offspring is a moral and correct decision. The woman is now a single parent who needs to seek child support from her illicit lover for THEIR child. Bio dad should have his wages garnished for what ever period of time is necessary to pay restitution for the child support that was fraudulently extracted.

The child ends up getting the short end of the stick because of mommy's fraud. That is NOT the fault of the cuckolded husband. Mommy should be required to explain her deceitful behavior. She is entirely at fault for the situation.

84 posted on 04/01/2003 10:03:51 PM PST by Myrddin
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It's about damn time that men win one for a change.
86 posted on 04/01/2003 10:45:07 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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