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RUSSIA SPIED ON BLAIR FOR SADDAM...
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Posted on 04/12/2003 4:12:40 PM PDT by Rocko

RUSSIA SPIED ON BLAIR FOR SADDAM... // Top secret documents obtained by the Sunday Telegraph in Baghdad show that Russia provided Saddam Hussein's regime with wide-ranging assistance in the months leading up to the war, including intelligence on private conversations between Tony Blair and other Western leaders... MORE...


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To: Eva
OK. I didn't realize that.

I knew there was activity in the Caspian sea area among the former Soviet states!
401 posted on 04/12/2003 8:23:43 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: MadIvan
Crossing George W. Bush is a BAD thing. And he doesn't forget.
402 posted on 04/12/2003 8:24:13 PM PDT by Libertina (God Bless our Commander In Chief and our Troops!)
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To: Rocko
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/23/235930.shtml
Politically Correct Butchers of the 20th Century
Steve Montgomery & Steve Farrell
Monday, Sept. 24, 2001
We want a strong, secure, sovereign America. We want justice for the crimes perpetrated against citizens of the United States and their property. And we are fully behind President Bush when he does and says the right things. Much of what he said last Thursday evening was right – but not all.
One concern: political correctness. Bush's rousing call to arms, which literally made us stand up and cheer, was tempered with a disturbing political insight. He listed the 20th century's top 3 mass murderers as follows: Nazism, fascism and totalitarianism.

To our dismay, "the speech of the century," this striking shot across the bow of terrorism, lays the charge of homicide on those "ideologies" which Americans have been trained to believe are right-wing, thus failing to lay a blow at the savage, sordid leftist ideology whose record for mass murder, whose hatred of American values, and whose love of and support for terrorism dwarfs and fuels all others. We speak of Communism and Communists, of Russia, China, Cuba and their sort. Bush didn't.

The Mystery Unfolds

The answer seems clear. The Bush administration is sending out feelers relative to the enlistment of Russia, and perhaps China, as an "ally" in "the world's" war against terrorism – and the establishment press is drumming up support.

Suddenly, a national disaster has become a golden opportunity to forge a "tighter" alliance with Russia, featuring joint military action in Afghanistan, and audaciously: aid, technology and international support for Russian suppression of Chechnya and, perhaps, Georgia – which dares to aid Chechen refugees. If all goes according to plan, we may see the U.S. helping reunite the old Soviet Union in the name of fighting terrorism.
Has Russia Really Changed?

Are we gullible enough to believe that the most bloodthirsty, power- hungry regime in history, the Soviet Union and its allies, simply lay down, played dead, and converted to capitalism and Christianity?

In "New Lies for Old," Anatoliy Golitsyn, an ex-KGB agent who specialized in the counterintelligence field, forecast "the introduction of false liberalization in Eastern Europe and, probably, in the Soviet Union." He predicted "[the] demolition of the Berlin Wall might even be contemplated" – five years before the Wall came down. According to Golitsyn, the plan was in the works, and known to all Communist countries, as long ago as 1958.

Even Gorbachev admitted the true nature of the "change" in his work "Perestroika" (restructuring):

There are different interpretations of Perestroika in the West, including the United States. There is the view that it has been necessitated by the disastrous state of the Soviet economy and that it signifies disenchantment with socialism and a crisis for its ideals and ultimate goals. Nothing could be further from the truth. ...
I stress once again: Perestroika is not some kind of illumination or revelation [it was old hat]. To restructure our life means to understand the objective necessity for renovation and acceleration. ... The essence of Perestroika lies in the fact that it unites socialism with democracy (self-criticism/feedback) and revives the Leninist concept of socialist construction both in theory and practice.

Gorbachev's interest simply was to return to the more flexible Leninist agenda in order to promote communist efficiency, modernize the Russian military, improve Russia's infrastructure, push for international disarmament, strengthen pre-existing socialist alliances, and work toward the establishment of an international socialist order under the United Nations.

The results? Thanks to the West's media-induced perception of the "fall" of Communism, a far greater penetration of Western intelligence and a far wider, far more dangerous spread of its KGB-laden international criminal network (the Russian Mafia) has occurred. No significant country on the globe is without their influence. And the American aid continues to flow ...

Lenin & Marx Taught Terrorism

Finally, Gorbachev's insistence that Russia turn back the clock to Lenin is telling, regarding the issue at hand. Lenin was a terrorist. Read it for yourself. Said Lenin:

"The scientific concept of dictatorship means nothing else but this – power without limit, resting directly upon force, restrained by no laws, absolutely unrestrained by rules."

And again:

"Contempt for death must spread among the masses, and thus shall ensure victory. The ruthless extermination of the enemy will be their task."

In 1956, Krushchev, before the 20th Party Congress, added:

"The questioning of Stalin's terror, in turn, may lead to the questioning of terror in general. But Bolshevism believes in the use of terror. Lenin held that no one was worthy of the name Communist who did not believe in terror. ..."

Even Marx taught it:

"Wherever the oppressors [capitalist/Christian/middle class] resist, they must be slaughtered."

Bottom line: Communism is nothing more, nothing less than mass murder and terror.

An Afterthought

The January 13, 1998, Moscow Times reported Josef Stalin's grandson had been appointed the head of Georgia's 50,000-member Stalin Society. And what is his agenda? To overthrow the "bourgeois," liquidate "enemies of the people" and "capitalist blood-suckers," restore power to the "working people," and reconstitute the Soviet Union "within 1985 borders."

Ready to join hands with the Russians in their holy cause? We aren't.


403 posted on 04/12/2003 8:24:43 PM PDT by lexlov68
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To: Lexington Green; MadIvan
The Allies vs. The E.U.S.S.R.
Well put. I heard someone on FOX discussing Putin, saying he was such a LOSER for what he did in this war. Now, instead of being an important upcoming leader, he will be irrelevant. (And despised as well... poor choice on HIS part.)
404 posted on 04/12/2003 8:27:34 PM PDT by Libertina (God Bless our Commander In Chief and our Troops!)
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To: RusIvan
Those weapons are Soviet.

Like the night goggles Russia provided in 2002? Didn't know the Soviet Union was still around, but I agree, Russia is acting quite Soviet these days.

Because of precendent created by US.

No, the precedent was set long before there was a US. In recent years, Russia has been the most fervent violator of UN sanctions. They have no business lying about international law, as there never has been a meaningful international government and to the extent there have been agreements between nations, Russia has been the first to violate them.


405 posted on 04/12/2003 8:28:59 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever (russia and france are hypocritical lying scum)
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To: RusIvan
None in here except me even thought about how it is possible for Russia to read the top secret British correspondence. How Russia did crack the code? So much for "reasonable and intellegent" people.

If this story is true .. and I really have no reason to doubt it .. everyone is spying on each other .. mainly because we don't really trust each other ..

But I do have a problem with the mention of assassin hit comment. if that is true .. then Putin has some questions to answer

406 posted on 04/12/2003 8:29:08 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: Dog Gone
and to exchange information on the activities of Osama bin Laden, the al-Qa'eda leader.

The name of Osama bin Laden appears in a number of Russian reports. Several give details of his support for the rebels in Chechnya. They say bin Laden had built two training camps in Afghanistan, near the Iranian border, to train mujahideen fighters for Russia's rebel republic. The camps could each hold 300 fighters, who were all funded by bin Laden.

Hmmm. Bin Laden supports the rebels that are fighting Russia in Chechnya, and Russia is fishing for intel. My question is, why would Iraq agree to exchange info with Russia on Bin Laden? Unfortunatley, I believe this discovery hurts the Iraq/al-Qa'eda partner theory.

407 posted on 04/12/2003 8:29:52 PM PDT by Nexus
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To: Dog Gone; sweetliberty
Bump for later read.
408 posted on 04/12/2003 8:31:34 PM PDT by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: RusIvan
This is a worthless conversation. You have no fundamental understanding of our constitution.

We do not rely on our government to for our rights. We don't have our government grant us our rights.


Look at the intial enacting clauses

Russian:

We.....hereby approve the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

United states:

We ...do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

In the russian you aproved what the state provided you. In the US we established the consitution. This is a critical difference.


Lets compare our "bill of rights to your "rights of the liberties of man".

The common verb used in the russian version regarding rights is "SHALL" as in

The rights and liberties of man and citizen shall have direct effect. They shall determine the meaning, content and application of the laws, and the activities of the legislative and executive branches and local self-government, and shall be secured by the judiciary

Whereas the common verb in the bill of rights is SHALL NOT as in

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Why is are "our rights" expressed in the negative while yours in the positive ? Its because there is a fundamental difference of who is granting whom rights. Your people approved a constitution that granted full power to the government in exchange for certain "protections", namely the "shalls".

We on the other hand granted limited power to the government for specific purposes and retained the rest of our rights and power. We make it clear to our government about what restrictions they operate under by expressing specific limits on gov'ts power over us, namely the "shall nots"

Again, your constitution is the exact negative of ours. They are polar opposites in the fundamental assumptions of who has the ultimate power. If they were not opposites we would have the same verb tense when it comes to our rights. Instead we have the exact opposite verb tense. Your government "shall" grant you this right and that right. Our government "shall not" infringe on this right or that right.

Your constitution will never let your people be truly free. They will forever be at the mercy of the governments shall where our government is always at the mercy of our shall.

409 posted on 04/12/2003 8:35:20 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: EaglesUpForever
Those weapons are Soviet.
Like the night goggles Russia provided in 2002? +++

Those hight googles anyone can buy in hunting&fishing stores in russia.
They are not under any restrictions because they are not a weapon.
Do you capable to understand that?
410 posted on 04/12/2003 8:35:52 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
But he was ligitimate head of foreign state.

His rule was subject to a surrender agreement which he violated. By all common law views he was in breach of his contract.

411 posted on 04/12/2003 8:37:19 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
"Shall" or "shall not" is matter of translation.
Russian constituation was written not on english.

There no goverment present the constitution. Ther no state to present rights in constitution.

Let us stop here.

412 posted on 04/12/2003 8:38:37 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Nexus
Not really. Al Qaeda doesn't have the vast intelligence operations that Russia does, nor anything close to what Iraq had. So Iraq encouraged, assisted, and perhaps even hired as mercenaries AQ, meanwhile quietly providing Russia with intel on them. How would AQ know?
413 posted on 04/12/2003 8:40:17 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: RusIvan
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/16/103951.shtml
Expert: Russia Knew in Advance, Encouraged Citizens to Cash Out Dollars
Dr. Alexandr Nemets
Monday, Sept. 17, 2001
Russian press accounts and other activities by the Russian government this summer indicate that the Russian government knew in advance that something would happen to America, including a "financial attack" against the U.S.
During the past three months, Russian media and officials have encouraged citizens to cash out U.S. dollars pending an economic collapse there after an "attack."

Currently, the dominant view of the media is that the terrorist actions in New York City and Washington were just a "bolt of thunder from the sky."

Could it be? Yes, a well-organized group accomplished these dastardly acts. But just how well organized was it?

Obviously, President Bush and Vice President Cheney are targeting the powers behind these terrorist groups, the states that give them safe harbor and backing.

Sponsors of state terrorism include Iran, Iraq, Libya, Cuba, North Korea, Sudan and Syria.

Did you know that all of these countries have very close ties with Russia and her military/intelligence agencies?

Could it be that the Russians actually expected this in advance and even counted on it, discussing the possible consequences?

My suspicions were raised this July and August as I scanned and sifted through all of Russia's major newspapers.

Considering Russia's close ties to these terrorist countries, Russian activities need close scrutiny.

Pravda Wrote of Financial 'Attack' on U.S.

Consider the July 12, 2001, Page One report in Pravda – still considered the establishment voice of Russia's old guard communists who control the military and intelligence agencies.

The Pravda article was entitled "Will the Dollar and America Fall Down on August 19? That's the Opinion of Dr. Tatyana Koryagina, Who Very [accurately] predicted the August Default in 1998."

This article struck me for several reasons. Major newspapers so closely aligned with the government do not attempt to create panic or fear in the public – unless the government wants this information to be publicly aired.

Also, a major newspaper would be reluctant to print a major prediction for which it could be held accountable.

This Pravda article was published about the same time as another strange event that took place in early July in the Russian State Duma.

The Duma held a conference entitled "On the measures to provide the development of Russian economy in the environment of destabilization of the world financial system."

The chairman of the Duma Commission on Economic Politics, Dr. Sergei Glazyev, headed the hearings.

Some prominent foreigners, including Lyndon Larouche from the U.S. and Malaysian Ambassador in Russia Yacha Baba, were among the participants.

Tatyana Koryagina made a statement at the end of hearings – as a Russian expert in the shadow economy, shadow politics and conspirology.

She is a senior research fellow in the Institute of Macroeconomic Researches subordinated to the Russian Ministry of Economic Development (Minekonom). The main theme of the Duma hearings was the rapidly approaching economic crash of the United States.

The hearings focused on preparing recommendations for President Putin as to what Russia should to do to soften the consequences of this coming catastrophe.

Pravda also detailed its own interview with Dr. Koryagina.

Here is an excerpt:

Pravda: All the participants at the hearings stated that America is a huge financial pyramid which will crash soon. Still, it is hard to understand how this could happen in the first and richest country of the world – without a war, without missile or bomb strikes?

Koryagina: Besides bombs and missiles, there are other kinds of weaponry, much more destructive ones. ...

Pravda: Well, economic theory. But how it is possible for you to give an exact date [for the U.S. crash] – August 19?

Koryagina: The U.S. is engaged in a mortal economic game. The known history of civilization is merely the visible part of the iceberg. There is a shadow economy, shadow politics and also a shadow history, known to conspirologists. There are [unseen] forces acting in the world, unstoppable for [most powerful] countries and even continents.

Pravda: Just these forces intend to smash America on August 19?

Koryagina: There are international "super-state" and "super-government" groups. In accordance with tradition, the mystical and religious components play extremely important roles in human history. One must take into account the shadow economy, shadow politics and the religious component, while predicting the development of the present financial situation. Pravda: Still, I don't understand what could be done to this giant country [the U.S.], whose budget is calculated in the trillions of dollars.

Koryagina: It is possible to do anything to the U.S. ... whose total debt has reached $26 trillion. Generally, the Western economy is at the boiling point now. Shadow financial actives of $300 trillion are hanging over the planet. At any moment, they could fall on any stock exchange and cause panic and crash. The recent crisis in Southeast Asia, which touched Russia, was a rehearsal.

Pravda: What is the sense of smashing just America?

Koryagina: The U.S. has been chosen as the object of financial attack because the financial center of the planet is located there. The effect will be maximal. The strike waves of economic crisis will spread over the planet instantly and will remind us of the blast of a huge nuclear bomb.

Pravda: Did Russia's crisis of 1998 have this religious-mystical component?

Koryagina: ... The Russian crisis of 1998 was preconditioned by internal factors. Yeltsin's policy enlarged its consequences. Now we have President Putin, and this is a good choice.

Pravda: What do we have to do now?

Koryagina: Recommendations, compiled by the Duma Commission of Economic Politics after the recent Duma hearings, offer instruction on what should be done to escape the consequences of a world crisis inspired by a financial catastrophe in the U.S. This document will be sent – or has already been sent – to President Putin.

Pravda: What should Russian citizens do?

Koryagina: They should start changing their dollars for rubles. President Putin and the Russian Central Bank are already taking the necessary healthy measures. There are high chances that after 19 August the ruble will become a very good currency.

Pravda: Why 19 August, say, and not the 21st?

Koryagina: Some fluctuation in this date is possible. Serious forces are acting against THOSE WHO ARE NOW PREPARING THE ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES [emphasis added]. August, with very high probability, will bring the financial catastrophe to the U.S. ... The last 10 days of August have especial importance from a religious-sensible point of view.

[End of excerpt]

It is important to note that this story was not an isolated one, or a cute, human interest story as one may find occasionally on the cover of the Wall Street Journal.

It was a serious news report, and story, discussed widely in Russia, including on national TV programs. The thrust of the story was that Russian officials were strongly encouraging Russian citizens to cash out the U.S. dollar.

It is also important to understand that Dr. Koryagina is one of the leading economists in a Russian social group which, from the very beginning, has fiercely opposed "radical economic reform" in Russia. She is a firm supporter of President Putin.

She and her network actively support Putin, especially his foreign policy aimed at the diminishing America's global role.

In particular, they support Putin's policy of engagement of Iran, Iraq and other nations of concern. Dr. Koryagina herself should be considered as an insightful, well-connected and well-informed person.

Dr. Koryagina says much about the invisible and unstoppable "international mystical-religious forces" preparing an attack on the U.S.

It looks like she knows the real nature of these forces and tries to disguise them in a "conspiratorial fog."

She is sure that such an attack or strike of some kind – sudden and effective – will soon take place, and will cause panic and an ensuing crash of the U.S. financial system and the world financial system, already unstable. However, Dr. Koryagina evidently does not know the exact mechanism of the attack.

Duma Warned Citizens to Cash Out Dollars

The hearings in the Duma, which has become a rubber stump for President Putin, have been inspired, without doubt, by the Kremlin, "taking the necessary healthy measures" in advance of a U.S. crash and world crisis.

The Kremlin clearly is thinking how it should operate in the "new world" after the expected U.S. crash.

It is my belief that the Kremlin provided Dr. Koryagina with a very small part of its information on the forthcoming attack against the U.S.

Another article on this same theme was published by Pravda on July 17, 2001.

It was an interview with Chairman of the Duma Commission on Economic Politics Dr. Sergei Glazyev, one of the most prominent Russian economists.

The article was entitled "The Dollar and the U.S. Could Fall at Any Moment."

Dr. Glazyev, in his answers, did not mention the forces preparing an attack on the U.S. and its financial system.

He merely discussed the forms and scales of the forthcoming financial catastrophe in the U.S. and its consequences for Russia – mostly beneficial ones if the necessary measures are taken in advance.

In particular, like Dr. Koryagina, Dr. Glazyev advised the Russian public to change dollars for rubles and predicted that "the ruble will become the reserve currency for Eurasia, particularly in trade with China and India."

Third Article, More Media

Pravda published a third article on this theme on 31 July-1 August 2001. This article, called "The Dollar and the U.S. Will Fall," was in the form of an interview with the Malaysian ambassador in Russia.

Other Moscow newspapers published articles of this kind also.

As a result, New York's Russian-language TV channel in early August was forced to state that "the Moscow rumors are ungrounded." Within a few days the public forgot all about this story.

The tone of Moscow economists predicting the crash of the U.S. financial-economic system is confident and somewhat delightful: "Finally, it is going to happen!"

They are not only discussing the future, they are evidently trying to issue a self-fulfilling prophecy, transforming this future into the present. This is because the prospects described in the above articles are extremely attractive for the Russian elite for the following reasons:

a) It will become possible to pay off Russia's huge foreign debts with devalued dollars; it would be really easy enough if oil prices jumped to $100 per barrel or more.

b) Russia would become really equal among a weakened G-8 group of nations.

c) Investment conditions in Russia would become really attractive in comparison to the bleak global background. Russia could become the goal of huge foreign investment.

d) If the U.S. military might is undermined (and it might be, if the financial system collapses), Russia will regain its control over the former Soviet republics, spread it to the Balkans and reacquire its former super-empire status.

Such a prize, such a temptation for the criminal Russian "elite"! One small push, and such great booty! While reading these articles, it is almost possible to visualize how they are licking their lips with excitement.

So, those in Moscow had very serious reasons not to share information with the U.S. about the coming attack on the latter – if they indeed had such information.

Very likely they did, and the maximum amount of information was concentrated in the Kremlin. According to numerous statements published by prominent U.S. economists after the tragedy, the time and places of the attacks were chosen – more precisely, pretty well calculated – as if the terrorists or those backing them had tried to do their best to undermine the U.S. financial system and political system and to cause a financial-economic crisis in the U.S.

There is some evidence that another targeted aircraft, a TWA plane at JFK airport, did not take off and perhaps another crash was thwarted. Was it intended for the New York Stock Exchange?

"It wasn't a healthy economy to begin with, and this could be just enough to push us into a mild recession and render a blow to consumer confidence," one of these economists told the UPI.

He continued: "There has been a complete disruption of passenger flights. Besides the airline industry, tourism, retail and the shipping sectors will feel the negative effects of Tuesday's attack. Tougher security measures now in place at the nation's airports will increase shipping and travel expenses that will be passed along to the consumer."

And the consumer confidence index, low already, declined additionally.

However, those in Moscow very probably waited for much greater effects.

Remarkably, immediately after the events in New York and Washington – at approximately 6 p.m. Moscow time – the dollar exchange rate in Moscow street exchanges fell from 29 rubles to 15-20 rubles – as if the Moscow financial experts had awaited the strikes or expected greater panic and collapse.

It is important to note that such a great fluctuation in the exchange rate happened in no other world capital. The next day, the dollar in Moscow gradually returned to its previous exchange rate.

A network of terrorist groups – mostly in the U.S. and Middle East – merely provided the fingers to implement the terrorist strikes.

After all, Arab terrorist groups are supported by rogue nations – Libya, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Sudan.

These countries are "hands."

U.S. Needs to Look at Source

Now, if the U.S. and NATO forces carry out retaliatory strikes on Afghanistan, the "hands" will be punished.

And where is the body, the heart of the beast?

And who provides the advanced military technology – including that needed for "special actions" – to these nations of concern? Who supports them in the U.N.? Who demonstrates daily the desire to diminish or undermine America's global influence?

Moscow and Beijing. And Moscow, probably, is even more evil and impudent. Let us consider the Moscow rulers.

Yes, of course, Putin immediately sent condolences to President Bush and the American people.

It should be taken into account here that in September 1999 Putin conveniently used the apartment explosions in Moscow and Volgodonsk (KGB-organized actions, in the opinion of most of the Russian media and in the opinion of the author) to gain supreme power in Russia.

Now the Kremlin is making statements about a "joint struggle against world terrorism," about "the ties between the actions in New York and the actions in Moscow in September 1999."

Indeed, these are probably closely tied to one another, and the same forces are behind the actions in New York and Moscow. But what is the real name of these forces? The investigation should go to the bottom of the barrel and provide the proper answer.

414 posted on 04/12/2003 8:40:41 PM PDT by lexlov68
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To: RusIvan
The night goggles, if sold to Iraq, violated UN sanctions. But let's wait a few months until that is well documented to be the tip of the iceberg.


415 posted on 04/12/2003 8:42:10 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever (russia and france are hypocritical lying scum)
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To: MrPeanut
Invading Iraq was a declaration of war by the USA

BZZZT! Wrong - The declaration of war occurred 11Sep2001...

416 posted on 04/12/2003 8:42:45 PM PDT by chilepepper (Gnocchi Seuton!)
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To: RusIvan
"Shall" or "shall not" is matter of translation.

I have read many translations regarding many topic and never have I run into one whereby the entire tense of a verb is in question for an entire list.

The constitutions are not different because of the language and its translations. There are fundametally different because they are written from opposite points of view.

We can stop here if you wish to stay ignorant and in denial. Its fine by me.

417 posted on 04/12/2003 8:45:53 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: RusIvan
I would like Russia on our side. Right now all the countries are fighting like dogs over one bone. Iraq was obviously the world bazzar for weapons. There must be some from just about every country. Hussein was sly enough to play all the countries against each other. France is the country I detest the most in all of this.

Hang in there. We all might be fighting the Chinese who also have a large hand in this debacle.

418 posted on 04/12/2003 8:47:25 PM PDT by JDGreen123
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To: FairOpinion
I see the whole thing as spy versus spy. But again, how much of this is true and how much is false. We shall see.

The Russians have always been very good at covert activities. The Brits are also very good when it comes to the spy game. Since US intelligence agancies were weakened in scope and power back in the 1970`s, we still have some ground to make up.

The Russian's and Putin are out for themselves. You shouldn't be surprised by anything.

419 posted on 04/12/2003 8:48:05 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Good point. I have a feeling Saddam played the entire world for succers. Side with country A and country B and terrorist group C then trade info on each one to the others for arms.
420 posted on 04/12/2003 8:50:25 PM PDT by JDGreen123
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