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Free Stater allegedly arrested for passing out FSP literature at NRA convention
Free State Project ^ | 4/27/03 | DadaOrwell

Posted on 04/28/2003 1:22:36 AM PDT by Dada Orwell

Morning, FReepers! I have some news I thought might interest you:

Free State Project Member Services Director Tim Condon was apparently arrested Sunday for handing out FSP literature at an NRA convention in Orlando. This according to FSP president Jason Sorens.

Many Free Staters and gun rights advocates were already angry at the NRA for leaning too far left on certain gun control issues. Yesterday's arrest seems to be focusing new attention on the NRA's perceived shortcomings.

Details are on the FSP forum at: http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=1647;start=0#lastPost

Dada Liberty in Our Lifetime freestateproject.org


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: freestateproject; freestaters; fsp; gunrights; nra; porcupines
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1 posted on 04/28/2003 1:22:36 AM PDT by Dada Orwell
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To: Dada Orwell
The NRA can't 'arrest' anyone. What, specifically, was the person doing to prompt an arrest?
2 posted on 04/28/2003 1:28:22 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (tp://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Why didn't they shoot him?
3 posted on 04/28/2003 1:29:23 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Dada Orwell
This is not enough information to comment on.
4 posted on 04/28/2003 1:32:21 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Dada Orwell
Call me when this story loses the "allegedly."
5 posted on 04/28/2003 1:32:21 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Dada Orwell
What is the Free State Project, please?
6 posted on 04/28/2003 1:39:51 AM PDT by annyokie
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To: annyokie
Its a campaign for Libertarians to all agree on a state to take over. It'll never happen... Libertarians probably can not muster the discipline necessary to bring it off, and if they can it's like the dog who catches the fire truck... what does it do now, whiz on it?
7 posted on 04/28/2003 1:44:07 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Dada Orwell
"Free Stater allegedly arrested for passing out FSP literature at NRA convention"

Good news!

--Boot Hill

8 posted on 04/28/2003 1:50:31 AM PDT by Boot Hill
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To: Dada Orwell
More information, please!

By the way, there's a lot of anti-NRA commentary over there. I respect the gist of it, but I think working to preserve and advance 2nd amendment freedoms within our legal system is important, even if it's a contradiction in terms to some. I think things would be a lot worse without the NRA.

9 posted on 04/28/2003 1:50:50 AM PDT by risk
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To: drlevy88; Dada Orwell
..its a campaign for Libertarians to all agree on a state to take over...

They came very close to that dream in the 1970s, on an island in the Vanuatu group which declared independence under the guidance of a group of Australian and American Libertarians, including their then-candidate for President. The revolt was put down with the aid of foreign troops, including Australia's.

10 posted on 04/28/2003 1:51:43 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: drlevy88
Libertarians cannot agree on anything except the legalization of all controlled substantances and freedom of perverse sexual practices from all I have learned about them. Otherwise, they are all for Big Government having mondo control over our lives.

Great analogy, BTW, the dog and the firetruck.
11 posted on 04/28/2003 1:52:37 AM PDT by annyokie
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To: annyokie
Otherwise, they are all for Big Government having mondo control over our lives.

Oh brother. You've just blasphemed every libertarian and Libertarian from Maine to California. Stand back... incoming!...

12 posted on 04/28/2003 1:57:23 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: drlevy88
I'm a big (little) girl. I can take the heat. Libertarians are fence sitters just like the folks who call themselves Independent so they don't have to take a position about any issues until they see which way the wind is blowing.

Justify, Libertarians! Bring it on!
13 posted on 04/28/2003 2:06:06 AM PDT by annyokie
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To: tpaine; OWK
I know you two like a challenge. OWK, you come bloviate while tpaine, well, paines us. (At least tpaine half makes sense.)
14 posted on 04/28/2003 2:08:20 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: drlevy88
There are upper and lower case libertarians? I become more confused about libertarians by the minute.
15 posted on 04/28/2003 2:08:43 AM PDT by annyokie
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To: Dada Orwell
LIBELTERIAN alert ping
16 posted on 04/28/2003 2:13:09 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (CCCP = clinton, chiraq, cristein, and putin = stalin wannabes)
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To: annyokie
Libertarians cannot agree on anything except the legalization of all controlled substantances and freedom of perverse sexual practices from all I have learned about them. Otherwise, they are all for Big Government having mondo control over our lives.

When I was a boy, I asked my father what the difference was between a Libertarian and an Anarchist. His reply was brief:

"About ten thousand dollars."

The older I get, the more I appreciate the wisdom in his offhand comment. ;)

-Jay

17 posted on 04/28/2003 2:19:18 AM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Terrorists of the world, RISE UP! [So I may more easily gun you down.])
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To: Jay D. Dyson
Did Dad mean that in or a good or a bad way? I'll admit I am in the weeds here since I have never met a Libertarian who could explain his/her position on anything unless drugs are involved.

Come and get me, Libertarians!
18 posted on 04/28/2003 2:33:10 AM PDT by annyokie
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To: Dada Orwell
posted link
19 posted on 04/28/2003 2:48:18 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (***You have the right to say what you want ! We have the right not to listen !***)
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To: drlevy88
This movement is NOT by "Libertarians",. The National LP did the Free State Project a favor by not endorsing the FSP. So quit already with the criticisms based on the National LP platform because it has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with the FSP. There are pieces of the LP platform which I feel are treasonous -- you can guess which ones.

This is the first major effort to get some tens of thousands of Jeffersonian Classical Liberals, traditional Ike or Goldwater Republicans, and Blue Dog Democrats off their collective couches and MOVE to do something better than just griping.

Every one of us freedom-hungry gun owners should jump on this bandwagon because we are outnumbered and outvoted every place else. In the Free State our chances will be ten to a hundred times better because, obviously, we are losing out where we are because most of the much-vaunted "80 million gun-owners" (trap shooters, etc.) vote against us (as evidenced by the last few Presidential elections).

There could be 20 million if one quarter of gunowners got seriously active and moving for Freedom -- then Free Staters could do all ten candidate states -- or, better yet, stop our losses where we are. It used to be in Pennysylvania that if a politician crossed the hunters and gunowners, his career was over. Not any more. Those hunters and gunowners voted for the likes of Gore (in spite of my arguments).

There are supposedly 80 million gunowners. Can we round up ONE IN ONE THOUSAND GUN OWNERS to help? Surely there are 80 thousand who will move to another state for Freedom. Our ancestors did a heckuva lot more than that. They moved across the ocean to to gain Freedom (and before the Native Americans criticize that statement, they too moved across an ocean to get here).

Though some criticize "losertarians", the eighty million gun owners have not been doing any better -- compared to where we were in the old days in the book UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. Though it seems like we are wasting our time with some critics, they keep sprouting like bad weeds. Our job will never be done. Thank you to all those holding the fort against spoiler critics who have nothing better to do than to pull down anyone who offers a better idea to get out of this basket of crabs headed for the boiler. On the other hand, we have some critics on the FSP forum who criticize us for being too cautious -- we figure they are agents provocateur (their behaviour sure meets the description).

The Free State candidate states are only those with less than a 1.5 million people. Ideally they should have less than a million people. 20,000 classical liberal activists will have a tough go of it even in states with half that population. Thus Arizona and other big states never made even the first cut. Nebraska, Rhode Island, and Hawaii were culled in the second cut. Nevada, West Virginia, and New Mexico were culled in the third cut. Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire and even Montana are likely too big to change for Liberty in OUR Lifetimes (and I'm over fifty).

Wyoming is indeed one of the strongest contenders. Free Staters can keep the Californicaters from Colorado from Denverizing Cheyenne. Free Staters are determined to help Wyoming folks hang on to the Liberties they have left and to recover what they've lost. Yes, the Free Staters likely will be assimilated by the best of Wyoming -- that is a good thing.
Click Here to Free Wyoming

Seriously pragmatic libertarians (and there are a few thousand of us in there fighting from elected offices) are welcome to help. The others won't get off their never-get-dirty-with-politics lazy butts because they are scared of actually catching that office they've been chasing or criticizing.

At the following link is one of my contributions to the Free State Project. Changing State Government from the Bottom Up

The above tactics can help where we are IF we had enough activist allies fighting for freedom. But I know all too well that we don't. With concentrating our efforts on one state first, Freedom can win again. THEN the next state, and the next, and the next...

P.S. This project is not a secessionist movement. Neither is it a bunch of secessionists, anarchists, and racists. The Free Staters don't need or want such trouble.

20 posted on 04/28/2003 3:51:11 AM PDT by Solitar
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