Free Stater allegedly arrested for passing out FSP literature at NRA convention

Free State Project ^ | 4/27/03 | DadaOrwell

[Dada Orwell]

Morning, FReepers! I have some news I thought might interest you:

Free State Project Member Services Director Tim Condon was apparently arrested Sunday for handing out FSP literature at an NRA convention in Orlando. This according to FSP president Jason Sorens.

Many Free Staters and gun rights advocates were already angry at the NRA for leaning too far left on certain gun control issues. Yesterday's arrest seems to be focusing new attention on the NRA's perceived shortcomings.

Details are on the FSP forum at: http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=1647;start=0#lastPost

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[Catspaw]

So what did he do to merit this "alleged" arrest?

[xdem]

> There are upper and lower case libertarians?

Libertarians are members of a political party. Alternately, libertarianism is a political philosophy.

> I become more confused about libertarians by the minute.

Okay, but please don't be confused by this: If Republicans hadn't abandoned Reaganism, they'd not have the slightest problem with either variety of libertarians.

One may gauge Republican worry about libertarism by the hysterical lies and insults here on FR.

The misbehavior rests with a Republican party that has sold out its own professed beliefs, and no longer deserves to win.

Libel and slander will not bring libertarians back into the fold. Only steering the Republican Party back to Reaganism will accomplish that.

[Eagle Eye]

I know you two like a challenge.

I doubt it. There isn't enough accuracy in those remarks to merit rebuttal.

[Katya]

Thank you....very well said. Most of the FSP folks I've communicated with are very pragmatic. The FreeRepublic criticism of LIbertarians hinges solely on the drug issue. Never mind that the Libertarians are a leading pro second amendment force.

For many libertarians, like myself....the drug issue is one of wasted dollars. Drugs weren't always illegal in this country, and when they were available at the local pharmacist you certainly didn't see an addicted population, and you certainly didn't see the violence and money spent policing a no-win position.
So to all you paranoid Freepers, go ahead and keep harping on Libertarian idealism, obviously it's just your pessimistic left leaning authoritarian streak poking through.

[tpaine]

Justify?
Justify what, that you are having delusions about libertarians?

[Hacksaw]

Well, I think the Free State Project is a great idea. While I think many libertarians are rather goofy, - this is one thing that I would like them to succeed on. I wish them well and hope it works.

[CharlesMcD]

Libertarians cannot agree on anything except the legalization of all controlled substantances and freedom of perverse sexual practices from all I have learned about them.

I'm a libertarian and I don't agree on that. ;)

It's fair to say that there is much disagreement among libertarians about a large number of issues, but yes, in general they will agree that government should not be in the business of interfering with actions that do not harm any non-consenting third parties.

Otherwise, they are all for Big Government having mondo control over our lives.

Is this a troll? What are you talking about? Unless you consider respect for property rights to be "control", since you are not allowed to violate the property rights of others.

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[CharlesMcD]

Thank you....very well said. Most of the FSP folks I've communicated with are very pragmatic. The FreeRepublic criticism of LIbertarians hinges solely on the drug issue. Never mind that the Libertarians are a leading pro second amendment force.

Leading in what sense? Among dog catchers in low population states?

Regarding the drug problem, I think libertarians are really killing themselves by taking such an extremist position. Saying that drugs should be legalized is fine, if you can explain how drug abuse would be kept under control. The reason people are not receptive, IMO, is because they don't want their children to be exposed to dealers and addicts at every turn. How would an idealized libertarian society avoid this?

This essay is an example of where a more thoughtful libertarian is coming from on the drug issue. He does not advocate or predict heroin kiosks at the local mall.

[Dead Corpse]

Goofy?

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell the problem is with Libertarian ideology on this board.

Pro 2A.

Anti-Big Government.

Anti-crappy lawsuites.

Pro Free-market.

Anti-Taxes.

No welfare. No HillaryCare. No SS ponzi schemes. Voluntary contractual agreements where you don't have to hire people via qoutas. No free loaders. Pro-Self Defense. Pro-Property Rights.

What the hell? Why are so many people on FR so dead set against it all? Because the libertarians DON'T want to legislate morality? Despite the crappy historical track record other nations of have with that. Because libertarians don't care if YOU screw up YOUR life? Despite the fact that even with all the laws on the books, people are STILL screwing up their lives... it's just that now EVERYONE has to pay for it.

Bla, bla, bla.... you so-called "conservatives" keep throwing the same old garbage around. You keep dodging the fact that you love your Big Government just as much as the liberals do, as LONG AS it's your guy in charge and they are expanding government in the areas YOU like. It never seems to dawn on you that "Bigger Government" has NEVER been the answer, so you just piss down the neck of anyone trying to roll it back.

Bunch a freakin' cowards is what you are.

[Shooter 2.5]

If all the gunowners in all the states moved to a single state, their voice in government would be limited to two senators and a handful of congressman.

Please explain why that's a good thing.

[NorthGA]

There is anti-NRA stuff out there, but I never experienced it until recently.

Georgia has legislation being proposed that will criminalize those with a loaded gun in a house if anyone (children & others) have potential access to it. This is a threat to anyone who keeps a loaded gun (without a trigger lock) for home protection.

The NRA is actually helping those drafting this "negligent condition" legislation and has actively opposed to any exception for firearms when several amendments have been proposed.

If passed in Georgia, this law will be more restrictive of home defense than exists in Massachusetts - with NRA help.

[oldfart]

Sorry, it's NOT an organization of Libertarians. There are a number of Libertarians within the ranks, but there are also a whole lot of Republicans and even a few Democrats. And while it's true that some of the avowed aims of the Free Staters are the same as those of the Libertarians, there are also a number of differences. Before you make blanket statemewnts like you have here, you really should do a bit of research.

[Liberal Classic]

You rang?

[asneditor]

Pleae show me proof of Libertarians wanting BIG GOVERNMENT

[asneditor]

I think ol AnnYokie has had a tad bit too much "spring water" in her coffee!

[Badray]

". . .as LONG AS it's your guy in charge and they are expanding government in the areas YOU like."

The head of the hammer just met the head of the nail. The GOP is more about GOP control that it is about what were GOP principles. Look at all those who will still vote for W even if (as promised) he signs the clinton-feinstein-schumer AWB. They'd rather be screwed by their own man than fight him AND the dems on principle.

Just as a girl who doesn't say 'no' to her (less than) gentlemen friends, continually gets used, so do these GOP bots who won't stand up to the party. Until the rank and file stand firmly for principle, they will continue to get used (hard and put away wet).

[Wolfie]

Libertarians want big goverment? Who'd a thunk it, they have something in common with Republicans after all.

[asneditor]

LOL Right!!!!!!!

[tpaine]

Could be, but more likely shes just lonely, and wants some 'attention'.