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Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians
Crisis ^ | Mark Stricherz

Posted on 05/04/2003 4:58:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 05/04/2003 4:58:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Aunt Polgara
S.C.U. Alum ping
2 posted on 05/04/2003 4:58:30 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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3 posted on 05/04/2003 4:59:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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4 posted on 05/04/2003 5:00:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: *Catholic_list
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5 posted on 05/04/2003 5:01:00 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Bump. Be back later.
6 posted on 05/04/2003 5:06:55 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: nickcarraway
This is long, long, long overdue. My church would be well served by getting rid of the pedophile priests and the abortion politicians.
7 posted on 05/04/2003 5:10:05 PM PDT by doug from upland (my dogs ran from the room when they heard Hillary shrieking on the radio)
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8 posted on 05/04/2003 5:11:25 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: nickcarraway
Pro Choice Murder/ Abortion--- Practicing Roman Catholic, in good standing with The Church???


9 posted on 05/04/2003 5:22:49 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: nickcarraway
The Bible states that if you have a disagreement with a brother in the church, bring it to the church. If they refuse to adjust their behavior you are to "treat them like a tax collector"
What do you do when they already ARE tax collectors?
If these pols have issues with the doctrine of abortion in their faith they need to get in line or resign from the church. It's a matter of ethics. IMHO
10 posted on 05/04/2003 5:26:22 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Sen. Edward Kennedy, [D-Mass.], in a letter to a constituent, August 3, 1971:

"While the deep concern of a woman bearing an unwanted child merits consideration and sympathy, it is my personal feeling that the legalization of abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life. Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized -- the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grown old.

"I share the confidence of those who feel that America is working to care for its unwanted as well as wanted children, protecting particularly those who cannot protect themselves. I also share the opinions of those who do not accept abortion as a response to our society's problems -- an inadequate welfare system, unsatisfactory job training programs, and insufficient financial support for all its citizens.

"When history looks back to this era it should recognize this generation as one which cared about human beings enough to halt the practice of war, to provide a decent living for every family and to fulfill its responsibility to its children from the very moment of conception."

11 posted on 05/04/2003 5:27:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
BTTT
12 posted on 05/04/2003 5:28:41 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!,here's a ping.
13 posted on 05/04/2003 5:29:48 PM PDT by fatima (Go Karen,Look at all these's prayers.For all our troops,we love you.)
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To: doug from upland
What you said bump. V's wife.
14 posted on 05/04/2003 5:32:26 PM PDT by ventana
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To: nickcarraway; Remedy; MHGinTN; All
A thought from a recent past president of the
Federation of Americans waiting to be born:

"Abortion? I am all for it…
for “certain undesirable organizations”

"Abort N.O.W., NARAL, and Planned Parenthood!
Abort Roe v Wade and all “laws” that allow the
MURDER of my unborn friends!"

"Life is Sacred from the moment of conception!"

Click here to read a press release from the current president of the Federation of Americans waiting to be born.

15 posted on 05/04/2003 5:34:49 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: nickcarraway
P.S.

I went to Archbishop Rummel high school in Metairie, Louisiana. Sadly, the school was not as conservative as it’s namesake.
16 posted on 05/04/2003 5:38:48 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: fatima
The most left-wing politician in Washington, D.C.--Senator Tom Harkin--claims to be a Catholic.

Until the Catholic Church says otherwise, I suppose that he and all the other pro-death elected officials who say they are Catholic are right.
17 posted on 05/04/2003 5:38:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: MHGinTN; Coleus; Remedy; nickcarraway; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...

Please let me know if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

18 posted on 05/04/2003 5:42:32 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: All
Ted Kennedy:

http://www.ytedk.com/
http://www.yankeesamizdat.org/ACBigots/ACB.html
http://www.christiangallery.com/atrocity/deaths/bl75rmcdowell.htm
http://www.space.com/news/kennedy_tapes_010822.html
19 posted on 05/04/2003 5:43:19 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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20 posted on 05/04/2003 5:44:39 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: nickcarraway
BTW,

In regards to the article. We don't call counties counties, we call them parishes.
21 posted on 05/04/2003 5:46:24 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: cpforlife.org
Yes, in Louisiana.
22 posted on 05/04/2003 5:47:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I have always been sorely disappointed/disgusted that the Vatican has not leaned heaviliy on the damn bishops (choosing my words carefully) to deal more harshly with pro-aborts/pro-sodommites. This policy of "Oh, we don't want to be so harsh that we lose congregants" is ignorant - if the congregants continue to believe this crap, then you've already lost them. Ignoring the issues doesn't help, and allows more to stray. No way should any person, politician or otherwise, be allowed to receive Holy Communion. The thought of Fat Boy Kennedy receiving it makes me ill; thankfully, he will be dealt with later.

I've said it before many times - the Catholic Church is not a political organization whose doctrine can be changed over time through moral "change" or majority opinion. His Word and Teachings do not "evolve" - what is right is right, today as it was 2000 years ago.

23 posted on 05/04/2003 5:47:42 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: EternalVigilance
How can they say they are Catholic,shame on them.
24 posted on 05/04/2003 5:48:15 PM PDT by fatima (Go Karen,Look at all these's prayers.For all our troops,we love you.)
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To: nickcarraway
This one got it exactly right--about the bishops as much as about the politicians. The Perez example is one I myself remember. I often wonder why contemporary bishops are so much less steadfast--unless, of course, they themselves do not really believe abortion is wrong either.
25 posted on 05/04/2003 5:49:54 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: GreatOne
Oh, we don't want to be so harsh that we lose congregants" is ignorant - if the congregants continue to believe this crap, then you've already lost them.>>

We may get some more people back who couldn't take the BS anymore and left. I think it will work out for the better when the church starts upholding it's own laws.
26 posted on 05/04/2003 5:50:20 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: madprof98
And the Bishop Rummel actualy ended up doing Perez a favor-he came back to the Church after truly repenting. That's what being a shepherd is all about.
27 posted on 05/04/2003 5:53:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
"“Pro-choice” Catholic politicians support abortion mostly for political reasons. The U.S. bishops say this is unacceptable. So why do they accept it? "

Duh... lemmme think...maybe because their voters don't care what U.S. bishops say about it... Ya'think?

28 posted on 05/04/2003 5:53:55 PM PDT by RS (nc)
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To: nickcarraway
I suspect that Ms. Mikulski has more problems with the Catholic Church than abortion. Like maybe rampant Lesbianism? But then, the Liberal pukes in Maryland don't really give a damn. Nor does the Archbishop.


29 posted on 05/04/2003 5:56:23 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: nickcarraway
Thank you for pinging me, but after you read the following you may decide to pull my name from your ping list. But those ready for strong meat, have ears to hear, for I offer this in Christian love, to chide my fellow Christians on this Sabbath day.

To borrow from Tom Daschle, "I'm deeply saddened." Why? ... Because the Catholic Church has lain with the whore, to speak metaphorically, and Biblically!

Bishop Hart looked as­kance at this question. Then he said, “Well, it would be a very rare situation that we would deny Communion to anyone.”
“Have you talked to Senator Dodd about his views on abortion and cloning?”
“That would be a personal thing,” he said plainly.
“Can you think of any circumstances in which Communion would be denied?”
Bishop Hart paused. He turned slightly and thought the matter over for about ten seconds. Finally he said, with the air of someone genuinely stumped, “I can’t think of any situation where I would deny Holy Communion.”
In such a posture, communion wouldn't be Holy from this Bishop, merely a hollow ritual.

Such an man does not represent MY LORD and Savior. The Catholic Church presents itself as intermediary between man and God. If the Church cannot and/or will not as policy withhold the Flesh and Blood of My Lord from persons supporting the slaughter of fellow individual human beings, the Church is no longer in touch with God and has lain with the whore.

What the failure of the Church to uphold righteousness is leading to is the tacit acceptance of human cannibalism. Imagine, it will be the cannibalized bodies of individual human lives conceived solely for harvesting body parts that the Church will be completely impotent to oppose, because the Church has not stood for righteousness regarding the alive unborn with their own members!

The 'whoremongering' Church has given cover to the enemies of Life for so long now, the Church is no longer in touch with The Savior. Some Priests and Bishops still strive to serve Our Lord, but as a body, the edicts of the Holy Father are routinely ignored by Priests and Bishops thus giving cover to reprobate catholics. It is the Lord who will judge this whoremongering, this gross failure to be His Priests. It is the Lord's forgiveness the Church ought seek, and prove repentance with action.

The Church gives lip service to piety yet allows the practicing Catholic to establish the rules, individually. It is clear that Jesus is no longer the acknowledged leader of the Church, establishing what is written at the end of Judges, "In those days there was no King in Israel, and everyman did what was right in his own eyes." Read again what Bishop Hart asserted, and see in his smarmy complicity the words found in Judges: “That would be a personal thing,” he said plainly. Yes, to choose what is right and wrong is a personal thing, not the purview of a Church laying with The Whore.

30 posted on 05/04/2003 6:05:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Good Lord! I just ate dinner! Warn a person next time before you put up a picture of that bloviated murderer.

How're ya, anyway? Hope all is well with ewe. ;)

31 posted on 05/04/2003 6:08:28 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: nickcarraway
I grew up in college during the civil rights movement, during the early days of the conflict over the war in Vietnam, the environmental movement, and the women’s movement

Open wide, Kerry. I got a movement for ya.

32 posted on 05/04/2003 6:18:39 PM PDT by WhaChuLookinAt (As a matter of fact, I DO put my pants on both legs at a time.)
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To: cpforlife.org
If more American Catholic prelates decide to challenge their local culture-of-death Catholic politicians, they’ll need courage. Unlike the battle for desegregation—which had the support of Hollywood, the media, the universities, and the courts—the pro-life war has only the White House, one branch of Congress, and two Christian denominations.

Yet this is all the more reason why every cardinal and bishop must expose this evil. And if that involves warning and denying the sacraments to culture-of-death Catholic politicians, so be it. As the bishops have already written, challenging these politicians isn’t voluntary. It’s a duty and a pastoral responsibility.

Bump!

33 posted on 05/04/2003 6:20:51 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: nickcarraway
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who supports elective abortion under ANY circumstance deserves excommunication from the Earth.
34 posted on 05/04/2003 6:30:34 PM PDT by WhaChuLookinAt (As a matter of fact, I DO put my pants on both legs at a time.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Amen, Lady. Sadly, too many Priests and Bishops define their pastoral responsibility very differently, assuaging repentance in favor of tolerance and 'inclusion'. The lukewarmness must be already be repulsive to The Lord, for it does appear He has given them over to their perversions ...
35 posted on 05/04/2003 6:32:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: nickcarraway
Some additional threads about Catholics and politicians:

Catholic Church asks Tom Daschle to stop calling himself a Catholic

On Catholic Politicians and Faith

Vatican Urges Catholic Politicians to Vote Along Church Lines

Senator Santorum on Being Catholic and a Politician

William E. Simon, Sr. and Jr. Devout Catholics, Philanthropists and Politicians

Deadly Dozen senator taken to task over claims of Catholicism

THE BISHOP AND THE SENATOR [author links to FR thread regarding Daschle in her online column]

36 posted on 05/04/2003 6:37:12 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MHGinTN
Sadly, too many Priests and Bishops define their pastoral responsibility very differently, assuaging repentance in favor of tolerance and 'inclusion'.

Indeed, and politics have a lot to do with it.

37 posted on 05/04/2003 6:37:32 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: MHGinTN
For any "Christians" who have any problem with what MHGinTN posted, maybe a little applied "tough love" upside the head would help.
38 posted on 05/04/2003 6:38:53 PM PDT by WhaChuLookinAt (As a matter of fact, I DO put my pants on both legs at a time.)
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To: MHGinTN
Wow.
39 posted on 05/04/2003 6:41:39 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: madprof98
You've asked a good question.

My response is twofold.

A) The bishops have, in large measure, ceased being shepherds for Christ and prophetic voices enunciating Biblical truth. They have lost their fear of God and replaced it with fear of man.

B) The fear may have an economic basis as well as a simple human desire not to be defamed for standing for the right.
Some years ago I recall a Catholic pro-abort congressman, a New York Democrat, responding to an interviewer who asked what would be his reaction should the church excommunicate him over his stance.

The congressman replied something to the effect that then perhaps the time will have come to re-examine the Catholic Church's tax-exempt status.

Translation: Fine, prelate. You want to put the screws to me and cost me votes with Catholic constituents by putting me outside the Roman Catholic community? Well, let's see how long you can operate a diocesan budget with a secular adjustment of the tax code.
40 posted on 05/04/2003 6:59:56 PM PDT by MadeInOhio
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To: GreatOne
you say His words and teachings don't evolve, but this easter season, the story of the thieves crucified on either side were changed to revolutionaries and the disciple that drew his sword and cut the ear of the attacker became someone in the crowd...

i fear that my church is trying to become more politically correct

41 posted on 05/04/2003 7:03:20 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: teeman8r
Is that a Catholic Church? What misselet (sp?) were they reading from, or did your Fr. Bozo use his own words?
42 posted on 05/04/2003 7:29:11 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: madprof98; Victoria Delsoul
I often wonder why contemporary bishops are so much less steadfast . . .

The answer to that question can be found in the Gospels themselves.

The Gospels offer a stark contrast between St. Peter and St. John. Peter was the short-tempered, flawed human being who would deny Christ three times during the night before the crucifixion, while John "the beloved" was the favorite disciple of Christ. John was the only one of the twelve apostles who was not afraid to follow Jesus to Calvary, and consequently it was John to whom Our Lord entrusted His mother. John was also the only apostle whose love for Jesus Christ was so unquestioned during his life that he didn't have to die a martyr's death.

And yet Jesus selected Peter as the rock upon which He would build His Church.

There is a lesson to be learned here -- this was not just an accident of history. To be an effective shepherd of men it takes more than just ardent devotion to Christ. In fact, for some modern "shepherds" the application of this devotion may even be an obstacle.

43 posted on 05/04/2003 7:39:20 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: MHGinTN
If the Church cannot and/or will not as policy withhold the Flesh and Blood of My Lord from persons supporting the slaughter of fellow individual human beings, the Church is no longer in touch with God and has lain with the whore.

Other than politicians, in all charity, how are we to know who is worthy to receive Our Lord in the form of the Eucharist and who is not? We, as Catholics, are taught when properly Catechised that our consciences are our guides. How are we to know that this politician has not gone to Confession. We are to determine by conscience whether or not we are worthy. It is our responsibility, not the priest's or the bishop's.

As mentioned in the article, private pastoral couseling is far more effective than public shame.
44 posted on 05/04/2003 7:53:38 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Alberta's Child
Insightful. Thank you for offering that. It had never occurred to me that Jesus chose a somewhat reactive man to head His Church. But, it is spiritual warfare the Church is expected, in fact commanded to wage, thus a man too tolerant would bow too easily in order to keep the peace.
45 posted on 05/04/2003 7:59:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: nickcarraway
But when persuasion fails—repeatedly—isn’t coercion then necessary?

This is the conclusion that St. Augustine sadly came to after fruitlessly debating the Donatists of Africa, who had left Africa in a state of civil war for a hundred years.

46 posted on 05/04/2003 8:07:06 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Alberta's Child
Pretty good analysis AC, thanks so much.
47 posted on 05/04/2003 8:08:14 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Desdemona
The penance should be proportionate to the offense. But none of these people has voted the other way.
48 posted on 05/04/2003 8:10:25 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: cpforlife.org
What a wonderful website - I forward it on to all my pro-life friends.
49 posted on 05/04/2003 8:11:44 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: Desdemona
How are we to know that this politician has not gone to Confession.

This is not a simple case of a sinner being reprimanded. The Church has always followed a different course of action when dealing with someone who is a public sinner. Someone who steals from his neighbor should be dealt with in the confessional (assuming this theft is not discovered by the neighbor). Someone who publicly states that anyone can steal from their neighbor and get away with it cannot just be dealt with in the confessional -- his actions are FAR MORE DESTRUCTIVE than the simple act of theft.

50 posted on 05/04/2003 8:13:29 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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