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Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians
Crisis ^ | Mark Stricherz

Posted on 05/04/2003 4:58:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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51 posted on 05/04/2003 8:19:36 PM PDT by Liz
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To: MadeInOhio
All the hospitals and schools etc etc that The Church set up weren't based on the thought of tax deductions but on the needs of all people based on true charity and Jesus' teachings.

Let them revoke the exemptions and see how many people will be willing to pick up that "slack" in further tax increases.

52 posted on 05/04/2003 8:21:00 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Or most risky of all, they could follow the path of Lyndon Johnson, who despite favoring civil rights personally had to oppose it publicly until the mid-1950s.

LBJ didn't give a rat's patootie about civil rights until it was made absolutely clear to him that he would never be President without it. So he allowed a watered down, worthless piece of legislation to pass that accomplished exactly nothing. It was all smoke and mirrors.

53 posted on 05/04/2003 8:24:30 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: nickcarraway
This article is excellent. I am not Catholic, but I am a Chrsitian, and it is encouraging to see this. The Senators mentioned, however, utterly reject divine authority of any kind. For the most part they are humanists, thus the threat of church sanction holds no terror for them, unless you are talking about the political fallout.
54 posted on 05/04/2003 8:27:56 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Desdemona
Respectfully, 'By their fruits ye shall kow them'. The serial killers working their abortuaries and the pandering politicians who defend their indefensible evil are well marked by their 'fruits'. If the Priests and Bishops will not see, how blind is the Church?
55 posted on 05/04/2003 8:33:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: JMJ333
I hope ya digested then :-) before ya saw post 20.
56 posted on 05/04/2003 8:34:11 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: victim soul
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57 posted on 05/04/2003 8:36:33 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: nickcarraway; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...
Bishop Hart paused. He turned slightly and thought the matter over for about ten seconds. Finally he said, with the air of someone genuinely stumped, “I can’t think of any situation where I would deny Holy Communion.”

This is emblematic of the enire Modernism problem in the Church. No one is EVER in a state of Mortal Sin, no not EVER.

58 posted on 05/04/2003 8:41:22 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: Desdemona
Some things are without question, divorced and remarried couples and folks like Grey Davis who loudly proclaim their unholy allegience to abortion as examples.
59 posted on 05/04/2003 8:50:29 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: narses
In the case of divorced and remarried couples, unless they are in a place where they are known, there is no way for the priest to tell. That is a matter of conscience.

In the case of politicians, we all know what we would do if it were us and we are disappointed that the bishops do not publicly make hay over it, but it is still a matter of conscience. And in all charity, as Christ taught us to be with sinners, it is not our place to judge.

Personally, I think it would do these politicians a lot of good to be publicly rebuked this way, but it's not my decision to make. And I am certainly not going to leave the church over it.
60 posted on 05/04/2003 8:58:58 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Victoria Delsoul; MHGinTN; nickcarraway; Coleus; Remedy; victim soul; All
Victoria--right on to your #33, and MHG--AMEN to your #30!

For many years since Roe there have been calls to excommunicate these SOB (sons of Baal). Some campaigns have been from major organizations going to high offices within the Vatican.

They've all failed.

The one man who could make it happen is the Pope himself. He has been in charge since Oct. 1978. He could get worldwide coverage by formally and publicly excommunicating these rats himself.

He could set the stage for it to be a global teaching + disciplining event. Not just in the US but everywhere. Maybe cover one country per week, kind of a Holy "shock and awe" campaign of papal proportions.

It wouldn’t get swept away in a couple of news cycles either.

I always ask myself why hasn't he done it himself? (In his own way.) No one could stop him. He is after all the most responsible.

Lastly, if he did this, it would be great but it would be treating only a symptom of the disease.

“The solution to ending the culture of death does not realistically lie with changing the minds of pro-abortion adults; it lies with preserving the 99+ % of children that are naturally pro-life on their first day of school.”
From THE MISSING KEY OF THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT
(shameless plug for the cause!)

61 posted on 05/04/2003 9:33:53 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: Desdemona
Yes and no. If the couple is in their home parish, the priest knows or ought to. Politicians who endorse abortion are PUBLIC SINNERS.
62 posted on 05/04/2003 9:45:45 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: nickcarraway
I wish the Pope would be just as serious about the priests that abuse children - but he refuses.
63 posted on 05/04/2003 9:58:37 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: nickcarraway
This was a good article but way too long to read through. I got the good flavor about a 3rd of the way through.
64 posted on 05/04/2003 10:56:53 PM PDT by WomanofStandard (Life is Hard, but God is Good)
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To: EternalVigilance
He may be Catholic, but I think there is a cat fight to see who is "THE MOST LEFT WING POLITICIAN" in DC.
65 posted on 05/04/2003 11:16:39 PM PDT by Atchafalaya
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To: Atchafalaya
Believe me, you will have great difficulty finding anyone to the left of 'commie Tommy'.
66 posted on 05/04/2003 11:31:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Desdemona
You sin, repent your sin and commit to try to not to sin again. You are forgiven. To take a public stance and actively seek the support of like minded people in order to get elected and then try to reconcile/rationalize your standing with the teachings of your faith is a failure of character. What does the Bishop of New Orleans have to say about Mary Landrieu's given vote on any abortion issue???????
67 posted on 05/04/2003 11:36:55 PM PDT by Atchafalaya
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
I hope ya digested then :-) before ya saw post 20.

Ahhhh! My eyes! My eyes!

68 posted on 05/04/2003 11:42:49 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: jimkress
Only 60 something posts before someone inserted slander about the Pope. Oh well. The fact is that you have no clue as to what the Pope has or hasn't done, and or what the Bishops who control their diocese have or haven't done. Keep on believing the media. Us traditionalists will keep on getting stronger. It'll take time, but we're doing it.

ps: It was a homosexual scandel primarily, not pedophile, and if you did a little research outside of the mainstream lie machine you'd realize that.

69 posted on 05/04/2003 11:49:25 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: MadeInOhio
Re: Post #40

"The congressman replied something to the effect that then perhaps the time will have come to re-examine the Catholic Church's tax-exempt status. "

The question of the Bishop's Backbone or lack there of, is answered in your post!

70 posted on 05/04/2003 11:52:13 PM PDT by TYVets (A Hillbilly with an attitude after 9/11)
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To: nickcarraway
This article illustrates a key principle for conservative Catholics. If you want to make a difference, forget secular politics and work for restoration in the church. If bishops would behave Catholic once again, the abortion regime would be deposed within a year.
71 posted on 05/05/2003 2:56:49 AM PDT by Longshanks
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
His standing within the church is so easy to explain

MONEY

72 posted on 05/05/2003 3:30:25 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: nickcarraway
Remember, we are speaking of democratic politicians, they have already sold their souls to the devil.
73 posted on 05/05/2003 3:36:17 AM PDT by gulfcoast6 (The poorest of all men is not the man without a cent but the man without a dream.)
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To: nickcarraway
Unfortunately, many of our Church hierarchy became one with the politicians in forming an oligarchy that lost all touch with its flock and formed an unholy allegiance with its partners which it now protects.
The crisis in the Church might actually be the best thing tha has happened in one hundred years, causing a re-examination and re-dedication to Catholic dogma.
74 posted on 05/05/2003 7:10:46 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Coleus; cpforlife.org

Oh, we don't want to be so harsh that we lose congregants" is ignorant - if the congregants continue to believe this crap, then you've already lost them.

Applies to any church/group/denomination.

The O'Jays---For The Love Of Money

Money money money money, money (x6)
Some people got to have it
Some people really need it
Listen to me y'all, do things, do things, do bad things with it
You wanna do things, do things, do things, good things with it
Talk about cash money, money
Talk about cash money- dollar bills, yall

For the love of money
People will steal from their mother
For the love of money
People will rob their own brother
For the love of money
People can't even walk the street
Because they never know who in the world they're gonna beat
For that lean, mean, mean green
Almighty dollar, money

For the love of money
People will lie, Lord, they will cheat
For the love of money
People don't care who they hurt or beat
For the love of money
A woman will sell her precious body
For a small piece of paper it carries a lot of weight
Call it lean, mean, mean green

Almighty dollar

I know money is the root of all evil
Do funny things to some people
Give me a nickel, brother can you spare a dime
Money can drive some people out of their minds

Got to have it, I really need it
How many things have I heard you say
Some people really need it
How many things have I heard you say
Got to have it, I really need it
How many things have I heard you say
Lay down, lay down, a woman will lay down
For the love of money
All for the love of money
Don't let, don't let, don't let money rule you
For the love of money
Money can change people sometimes
Don't let, don't let, don't let money fool you
Money can fool people sometimes
People! Don't let money, dont let money change you,
it will keep on changing, changing up your mind.

Why The Democrats Are The Way They Are -- Phyllis Schlafly Nov. ... Women are victims of an oppressive patriarchal society; all men are guilty both individually and collectively; and men who abuse women are not anomalous but typical.

EMILY's List, which contributes only to Democratic pro-abortion feminist candidates, put $20 million into political campaigns in 2000 and another $20 million into campaigns this year.

That's twice as much as the second largest political action committee. Such a vast amount of money explains why Democratic Senators don't dare to confirm a judge who is pro-life.

75 posted on 05/05/2003 9:13:58 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: MadeInOhio
Translation: Fine, prelate. You want to put the screws to me and cost me votes with Catholic constituents by putting me outside the Roman Catholic community? Well, let's see how long you can operate a diocesan budget with a secular adjustment of the tax code. I think you may have something, and the threat is effective not only against the Church but against Protestant prelates such as Mr. Falwell. BUT I say: OK do it. Then it will be clear to Catholics and other Christians that a Kulturekampf is underway. It will be clear who the enemy is. How many politicians have the guts to risk the establishment of a Christian political party? Pols are not famous for courage.
76 posted on 05/05/2003 2:03:46 PM PDT by RobbyS
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ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

77 posted on 05/06/2003 1:00:31 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (What is it with you people and your constant demand for funky taglines?)
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To: nickcarraway
“I can’t think of any situation where I would deny Holy Communion.”

I am speechless.

78 posted on 05/06/2003 1:02:43 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (What is it with you people and your constant demand for funky taglines?)
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To: Desdemona
Bishop Weigand said something like this -- Gray Davis should have the personal integrity not to take The Eucharist if he did not believe and would not uphold Church teachings.

79 posted on 05/06/2003 1:25:51 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: victim soul
What benefit does it do anyone to recieve Communion in such a state?
80 posted on 05/06/2003 2:05:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Thanks for the heads up!
81 posted on 05/07/2003 1:28:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: nickcarraway
Last week I read that over 600 public school teachers were suspended for improper relations with minors. Why do people not talk about the teaching profession's child abuse problems? Political support of abortion is worse than actually having an abortion because the politician is under no actual pressure except for his miserable job, and because that support facilitates millions of abortions and infanticides. Plus, this is a public disregard of the doctrine of the Church and an abandonment of the most helpless among us. i won't pretend to be a good Catholic, but I do not present occasion of sin to thousands of people daily.
82 posted on 05/12/2003 5:53:46 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: madprof98; GreatOne; JMJ333; Desdemona; nickcarraway; cpforlife.org; Pyro7480; narses; Romulus; ...
I agree---the church is not about rituals or liturgies, it is about moral absolutes.

Life begins at conception; any politician who supports abortion is defying the Creator of life.

Some might say, "Sure, but they'll be dealt with in the afterlife..."

I say, "Why wait?"

Excommunication isn't extreme, it's necessary.

And it pales in comparision to the horror suffered by prenatal babies, sentenced in all their innocence to death by dismemberment under the steel cruelty of abortionists' knives.

85 posted on 05/18/2003 10:02:47 PM PDT by Z in Oregon
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To: Z in Oregon
Z in Oregon,Pro-life bump in Pa.
86 posted on 05/19/2003 8:55:02 PM PDT by fatima (Go Karen,Look at all these's prayers.For all our troops,we love you.)
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