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Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians
Crisis ^ | Mark Stricherz

Posted on 05/04/2003 4:58:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: GreatOne
you say His words and teachings don't evolve, but this easter season, the story of the thieves crucified on either side were changed to revolutionaries and the disciple that drew his sword and cut the ear of the attacker became someone in the crowd...

i fear that my church is trying to become more politically correct

41 posted on 05/04/2003 7:03:20 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: teeman8r
Is that a Catholic Church? What misselet (sp?) were they reading from, or did your Fr. Bozo use his own words?
42 posted on 05/04/2003 7:29:11 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: madprof98; Victoria Delsoul
I often wonder why contemporary bishops are so much less steadfast . . .

The answer to that question can be found in the Gospels themselves.

The Gospels offer a stark contrast between St. Peter and St. John. Peter was the short-tempered, flawed human being who would deny Christ three times during the night before the crucifixion, while John "the beloved" was the favorite disciple of Christ. John was the only one of the twelve apostles who was not afraid to follow Jesus to Calvary, and consequently it was John to whom Our Lord entrusted His mother. John was also the only apostle whose love for Jesus Christ was so unquestioned during his life that he didn't have to die a martyr's death.

And yet Jesus selected Peter as the rock upon which He would build His Church.

There is a lesson to be learned here -- this was not just an accident of history. To be an effective shepherd of men it takes more than just ardent devotion to Christ. In fact, for some modern "shepherds" the application of this devotion may even be an obstacle.

43 posted on 05/04/2003 7:39:20 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: MHGinTN
If the Church cannot and/or will not as policy withhold the Flesh and Blood of My Lord from persons supporting the slaughter of fellow individual human beings, the Church is no longer in touch with God and has lain with the whore.

Other than politicians, in all charity, how are we to know who is worthy to receive Our Lord in the form of the Eucharist and who is not? We, as Catholics, are taught when properly Catechised that our consciences are our guides. How are we to know that this politician has not gone to Confession. We are to determine by conscience whether or not we are worthy. It is our responsibility, not the priest's or the bishop's.

As mentioned in the article, private pastoral couseling is far more effective than public shame.
44 posted on 05/04/2003 7:53:38 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Alberta's Child
Insightful. Thank you for offering that. It had never occurred to me that Jesus chose a somewhat reactive man to head His Church. But, it is spiritual warfare the Church is expected, in fact commanded to wage, thus a man too tolerant would bow too easily in order to keep the peace.
45 posted on 05/04/2003 7:59:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: nickcarraway
But when persuasion fails—repeatedly—isn’t coercion then necessary?

This is the conclusion that St. Augustine sadly came to after fruitlessly debating the Donatists of Africa, who had left Africa in a state of civil war for a hundred years.

46 posted on 05/04/2003 8:07:06 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Alberta's Child
Pretty good analysis AC, thanks so much.
47 posted on 05/04/2003 8:08:14 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Desdemona
The penance should be proportionate to the offense. But none of these people has voted the other way.
48 posted on 05/04/2003 8:10:25 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: cpforlife.org
What a wonderful website - I forward it on to all my pro-life friends.
49 posted on 05/04/2003 8:11:44 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: Desdemona
How are we to know that this politician has not gone to Confession.

This is not a simple case of a sinner being reprimanded. The Church has always followed a different course of action when dealing with someone who is a public sinner. Someone who steals from his neighbor should be dealt with in the confessional (assuming this theft is not discovered by the neighbor). Someone who publicly states that anyone can steal from their neighbor and get away with it cannot just be dealt with in the confessional -- his actions are FAR MORE DESTRUCTIVE than the simple act of theft.

50 posted on 05/04/2003 8:13:29 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Liz
bump read
51 posted on 05/04/2003 8:19:36 PM PDT by Liz
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To: MadeInOhio
All the hospitals and schools etc etc that The Church set up weren't based on the thought of tax deductions but on the needs of all people based on true charity and Jesus' teachings.

Let them revoke the exemptions and see how many people will be willing to pick up that "slack" in further tax increases.

52 posted on 05/04/2003 8:21:00 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Or most risky of all, they could follow the path of Lyndon Johnson, who despite favoring civil rights personally had to oppose it publicly until the mid-1950s.

LBJ didn't give a rat's patootie about civil rights until it was made absolutely clear to him that he would never be President without it. So he allowed a watered down, worthless piece of legislation to pass that accomplished exactly nothing. It was all smoke and mirrors.

53 posted on 05/04/2003 8:24:30 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: nickcarraway
This article is excellent. I am not Catholic, but I am a Chrsitian, and it is encouraging to see this. The Senators mentioned, however, utterly reject divine authority of any kind. For the most part they are humanists, thus the threat of church sanction holds no terror for them, unless you are talking about the political fallout.
54 posted on 05/04/2003 8:27:56 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Desdemona
Respectfully, 'By their fruits ye shall kow them'. The serial killers working their abortuaries and the pandering politicians who defend their indefensible evil are well marked by their 'fruits'. If the Priests and Bishops will not see, how blind is the Church?
55 posted on 05/04/2003 8:33:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: JMJ333
I hope ya digested then :-) before ya saw post 20.
56 posted on 05/04/2003 8:34:11 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: victim soul
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57 posted on 05/04/2003 8:36:33 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: nickcarraway; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...
Bishop Hart paused. He turned slightly and thought the matter over for about ten seconds. Finally he said, with the air of someone genuinely stumped, “I can’t think of any situation where I would deny Holy Communion.”

This is emblematic of the enire Modernism problem in the Church. No one is EVER in a state of Mortal Sin, no not EVER.

58 posted on 05/04/2003 8:41:22 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: Desdemona
Some things are without question, divorced and remarried couples and folks like Grey Davis who loudly proclaim their unholy allegience to abortion as examples.
59 posted on 05/04/2003 8:50:29 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: narses
In the case of divorced and remarried couples, unless they are in a place where they are known, there is no way for the priest to tell. That is a matter of conscience.

In the case of politicians, we all know what we would do if it were us and we are disappointed that the bishops do not publicly make hay over it, but it is still a matter of conscience. And in all charity, as Christ taught us to be with sinners, it is not our place to judge.

Personally, I think it would do these politicians a lot of good to be publicly rebuked this way, but it's not my decision to make. And I am certainly not going to leave the church over it.
60 posted on 05/04/2003 8:58:58 PM PDT by Desdemona
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