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Chimps Now to be Considered Humans
National Geographic ^ | 5/19/2003 | kkindt

Posted on 05/20/2003 2:05:10 PM PDT by kkindt

A new report argues that chimpanzees are so closely related to humans that they should be included in our branch of the tree of life. Chimpanzees and other apes have historically been separated from humans in classification schemes, with humans deemed the only living members of the hominid family of species

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: badscience; chimps; evolunacy; evolution; humannature; imageofgod; soul
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To: Junior
"Humans and chimps evolved from a common ancestor, splitting about 5 million years ago."

Statements like this always make me chuckle. Like they know that an event occurred 5,000,000 years ago. LOL. Until another scientist proves them wrong in the future they cling to this b.s. The agenda driven pseudo scientists are out in force when it comes to this issue. But they forget to tell you that human and cat DNA is about 90% similar. In tracing the origin of a life form, DNA can no more be used as the final word than a Democrat's lips can be used for telling the truth. Notice they don't dare use the word "proof" when they talk about human and chimp DNA, they use the word "evidence", which means nothing in true science. True science deals in proof, not "evidence", and they still cannot prove humans evolved from chimps any better than they could when they placed human teeth in a gorilla skull and called it "Piltdown man". lol. They need to stop presenting this theoretical crap as though it were fact.

101 posted on 05/20/2003 4:00:30 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
"There is absolutely NO RELATION between a chimp and a human!"

Ha! You never saw my second-cousin Clarence, did you?
102 posted on 05/20/2003 4:03:52 PM PDT by Maria S
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To: kkindt
ARE WE NOT MEN?
103 posted on 05/20/2003 4:04:52 PM PDT by fat city (This space for rent)
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To: Brian Allen
Studies indicate that humans and chimps are between 95 and 98.5 percent genetically identical.

This is a nonsense. As someone said: "Nearly 75% of human genes have some counterpart in nematodes--a soil-dwelling worm that is about four thousandths of an inch long. Does that mean that a nematode is 75% human?"

There is a misleading and prevailing misconception that each organism or a cell develops out of DNA. It never happens, during the division of already existing cell the DNA gets replicated and inherited by each cell to be used as a library of genes. During the seuxal reproduction, DNA gets recombinated inside of already existing cells. Very different species can use even the same library in a different way and order.

104 posted on 05/20/2003 4:10:52 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: TheCrusader
Notice they don't dare use the word "proof" when they talk about human and chimp DNA, they use the word "evidence", which means nothing in true science. True science deals in proof, not "evidence"....They need to stop presenting this theoretical crap as though it were fact.

They presented it as it is.... a theory.... that will hold up or not with further study. That is what science is, the study of things.... Some things that are proved, some things smart people may disagree on, and some things still baffle us.

The knee-jerk emotional dissmissal of this theory is much less scientific than the original theory. And presented here with much more *certainty* as fact.

105 posted on 05/20/2003 4:11:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
"Seems like "the earth is flat and is the center of the universe" people thought their faith would fall apart under continued science too".

I think this statement, like the chimp b.s., is more wishful thinking on your part than reality. St. Augustine, who died in the 5th Century, was a man who loved science right to his death, and he wrote that the earth was round and that "the earth is probably inhabited on the other side". Some people still attempt to use the Galileo fiasco as "proof" that Christians feared scientific "fact", but they conveniently forget that Galileo was educated in Catholic schools of science, by Catholic scientists. Whether or not the earth is the center of the universe has yet to be proved or disproved by science. Isn't it strange that the U.S. Navy, and N.A.S.A. both navigate by the geocentric principle,(the one that Galileo tried to replace with his heliocentricity). People of true faith do not fear science, they fear false science, and outcomes that are determined more by an agenda than by facts.

106 posted on 05/20/2003 4:17:09 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: kkindt
It will lead to more calls for Animal rights - since each and every animal is ultimately related and came from the same organism, we are simply brothers of these "less intelligent" individuals.
107 posted on 05/20/2003 4:19:46 PM PDT by Norse
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To: Ichneumon
Furthermore, they can follow complex commands like, "go out into the hall, open the box, take out the red ball, and put it in the freezer".

We have this really smart terrier, who, when she isn't being stubborn, perfectly understands commands like, "go into your cage" and "go outside." Sometimes we will give the commands without gesturing or looking in the desired direction, and the dog will go one way or the other, depending on whether we say "outside" or "cage." I don't think dogs understand grammar or anything like that, but they are smart enough to associate certain noises we make with certain behavior we expect of them. I would imagine that chimps can understand even more.

I do have a nightmare where corrupt politicians will have voting machines set up for chimps. It will feature a picture of a banana and when the chimp touches it, it will count as a vote! Anything is possible in a country where dead people vote for live politicians and, more recently, live people have voted for a dead politician. Our political system might go from bread and circuses to bananas and zoos!

108 posted on 05/20/2003 4:22:28 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: kkindt
So if I adopt a chimp, can I take it as a deduction on my tax return?
109 posted on 05/20/2003 4:22:41 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: Hodar
When do you think the leftist world of academia will declare unborn babies humans?

After all, they share 100% of our genetic code.

I mean fair is fair, no?

110 posted on 05/20/2003 4:22:42 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: TheCrusader
People of true faith do not fear science, they fear false science, and outcomes that are determined more by an agenda than by facts.

OK - I must not have seen many of true faith then, because I see agenda coming out here without a lot of facts.

Isn't it strange that the U.S. Navy, and N.A.S.A. both navigate by the geocentric principle

I would guess that is most helpful getting around here... the only relevant motion is the motion relative to us. If we left the earth, I would guess that would be less helpful to us.

111 posted on 05/20/2003 4:25:21 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: TheCrusader
And it is obvious that you are clueless as to what science really is.

Notice they don't dare use the word "proof" when they talk about human and chimp DNA, they use the word "evidence", which means nothing in true science. True science deals in proof, not "evidence",

Pure unadultered BS, there is NO proof in science, just as there are no FACTS in science, there is verifiable evidence, which in your case, you would understand to be facts, but science does not have facts, and never will.

You need to get a grip.

and they still cannot prove humans evolved from chimps

And we did not evolve from chimps, and science has NEVER claimed that to be the case. At some point in the past, the chimpanzees and we humans had a common ancestor, we evolved separately FROM that COMMON ANCESTOR.

Now quit spewing nonsense and learn about science, instead of listening to your illinformed creationist buddies.
112 posted on 05/20/2003 4:31:33 PM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: TheCrusader
Is that why when I ask for ONE piece of scientifically verifiable evidence that proves that evolution is false, the creationists become VERY quiet, or do their best to misrepresent it to fit their silly notions?

Well, if evolution is a so-called false science, then perhaps you can give me an example of the above?
113 posted on 05/20/2003 4:34:16 PM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: Aric2000
For every left-wing wacko there is an equal and opposite right-wing wacko.

That is the harmony of nature.

114 posted on 05/20/2003 4:34:22 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Ain't it the truth....
115 posted on 05/20/2003 4:35:52 PM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: Ichneumon

116 posted on 05/20/2003 4:36:32 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: TheCrusader
Like they know that an event occurred 5,000,000 years ago.

Such events leave lots of evidence -- in the fossil record and in the genetic record. No one saw O.J. whack his wife, but the evidence most certainly points in that direction.

117 posted on 05/20/2003 4:37:17 PM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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To: Junior
Any inside knowledge on when number 110 will happen in the wonderful world of academia?
118 posted on 05/20/2003 4:38:45 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
There is no doubt that they are human, never has been.

It is matter of declaring them viable humans that is the problem.

There is a difference between a baby and fetus to them.

So what you need to do is not get them declared human, but to have them declared babies.
119 posted on 05/20/2003 4:41:18 PM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: Hodar; Aric2000; Ichneumon
So, we should ignore scientific, quantifiable fact and repeatable data; so we don't hurt your feelings?

Some dolphins brains are bigger than yours and mine.

I am going to hire Flippers grandson to defend me at the next monkey trial. (It's going to be hard convincing the judge to hold the trial at Sea World though).

Science has nothing to do with common sense!

120 posted on 05/20/2003 4:46:09 PM PDT by bondserv
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