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Laci's things in tug of war
The Modesto Bee ^ | May 31, 2003 | Garth Stapely and John Cote'

Posted on 05/31/2003 8:41:50 AM PDT by runningbear

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Yesterday's results of Sharon Rocha and family devasting on the actions of the Peterson's and defense team...
1 posted on 05/31/2003 8:41:50 AM PDT by runningbear
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To: Rheo; spectre; Mystery Y; Searching4Justice; brneyedgirl; Scupoli; sissyjane; TexKat; Lanza; ...
Good morning all, trying to play catch up on some things... ;o)...Pinging...
2 posted on 05/31/2003 8:42:58 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: jdontom; HoHoeHeaux; blondee123; hergus; submarine; texasbluebell; truthkeeper; BobFromNJ; ...
Good morning all, trying to play catch up on some things... ;o)...Pinging...
3 posted on 05/31/2003 8:43:24 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: alexandria; MaggieMay; philomath; BonneBlue; Bella; cherry; Velveeta; kmiller1k; STOCKHRSE; ...
Good morning all, trying to play catch up on some things... ;o)...Pinging...
4 posted on 05/31/2003 8:43:50 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: runningbear
How were the actions devastating to the defense? I've heard that implied but I fail to see how this undermines the defense case, whatever that is.
5 posted on 05/31/2003 8:46:59 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: runningbear
"Jackie Peterson said the people who went into the home Friday had "absolutely no permission to be in that house. I have a lot of empathy for Sharon, but she does not have a right to go in our house and take what she wants."

"our house!" Huh?

Is Jackie Peterson's name on the deed?

It's okay for the Peterson family to go into the house any time they want, but Laci's family couldn't? These people are sick. I think someone should check to see just what it is Jackie Peterson has been inhaling from that oxygen tank!!

6 posted on 05/31/2003 8:51:16 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: AntiGuv
no, not to the defense, upon the victims family, Rocha and Grantski! Most of these breaking news items since Geragos took the case, are all coming from his defense team, and him. So, no, it is not devasting to Geragos, he called war on the this! KTVU story..
7 posted on 05/31/2003 8:52:36 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: runningbear
Oh, I see. I thought you meant that the Rocha's taking some of Laci's possessions would be devastating to the defense case.
8 posted on 05/31/2003 8:54:15 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: mass55th; clouda
I know, when I was speed reading the articles that Peterson clan started to get me all jazzed up on their crying out loud attitude!

Clouda, did you find LKL transcripts posted yet?...just asking.. haven't made it over to cnn yet...lol...

9 posted on 05/31/2003 8:56:42 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: AntiGuv
LOL...my error for er do writing..lol... Okay...:o)
10 posted on 05/31/2003 8:57:59 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: mass55th
It's okay for the Peterson family to go into the house any time they want, but Laci's family couldn't? These people are sick. I think someone should check to see just what it is Jackie Peterson has been inhaling from that oxygen tank!!

Hmmm... let's see - the deed was in Scott and Laci Peterson's Name. When one dies, the title transfers (if I read that right) to the one still alive, therefore the house belongs soley to Scott Peterson, so no, Laci's family had no legal right to enter that home and start removing items...

11 posted on 05/31/2003 8:59:46 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
...so no, Laci's family had no legal right to enter that home and start removing items...

You are correct though I don't think it makes a difference to the actual court case on either side.

12 posted on 05/31/2003 9:01:42 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: runningbear
Story was told that security company called police, but police said...no Jackie Peterson was the one that called police. Jackie Peterson had told Gretta on Fox via telephone that they had no problem with Rocha's going into home. Scott Peterson is not the only liar in the family.
Peterson lawyers say Rocha's defiled the crime scene that the Peterson's had been in many times ! Peterson's defense is sure winning the P.R. game...ha ha
13 posted on 05/31/2003 9:03:35 AM PDT by OREALLY
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To: AntiGuv
Yeah, I don't see how it makes any difference, unless, for example she WAS killed in that house, and we later find that Laci's family removed something that could have and should have been used as evidence... But I doubt the police (I'm assuming the police were competent, but you never know) would have let them continue if that were the case...
14 posted on 05/31/2003 9:05:08 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: runningbear
Here is a part of it. Read the last line.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0305/30/lkl.00.html

KING: We'll get back to our panel at the bottom of the hour. We're going to spend these moments on the phone with Lee Peterson, Scott Peterson's father, and Janey Peterson, Scott Peterson's sister- in-law. Lee, what did you make of the occurrences today of going to the house?

LEE PETERSON, SCOTT PETERSON'S FATHER: Well, I think it was best summed up by Matt Dalton. He's one of our attorneys there, and he was at the house while this was going on, and he turned to the media and he said, has anybody filed a report on this burglary? And I believe there were police officers standing right there. And he repeated that several times. Has anybody reported this burglary? I mean, this was a burglary. My -- that home and its contents are my son's possessions.

KING: But don't you have any sympathy for the mother wanting some of the possessions of her late daughter?

L. PETERSON: Larry, I do, and we had an arrangement with Sharon's attorney and with the district attorney that after we, meaning Mark Geragos and the team, videoed the inside of the home, something we needed to do for our defense, we would -- we would allow access to Sharon. She knew that. Her attorney knew that. In fact, he advised against her going in that home. I heard that on an earlier segment on MSNBC.

KING: So she broke the agreement is what you are saying.

L. PETERSON: She broke the agreement, and she uses as an excuse that she is devastated by the autopsy results -- reports on little Connor. Well, my wife Jackie was devastated, as was I. I mean, my wife could not leave the house yesterday, but instead of grieving, Sharon apparently planned this break-in. There were half a dozen vehicles at that house, and I'd like to to -- you know, Nancy says, well, all she wanted was the wedding dress and a few sentimental things. Well, I saw at least three pickup trucks full of furniture, full of cartons, God knows what going out of that house.

KING: Let me ask Janey something, Lee. Janey, what did you think of the release of that autopsy, portions of that autopsy report?

JANEY PETERSON, SCOTT PETERSON'S SISTER-IN-LAW: Well, it was very difficult. I think you, you know, when all this started, we all kind of stopped ourselves from going down that path of thinking of that most horrific, gruesome thing that maybe could have happened, and when some of these realities start coming out, you know, you are forced to face it. Then it is very difficult, and, you know, we all have children and this is just another example of -- I mean, even the day that Laci and Connor were identified, our family found out on national television. You know, it's a very difficult way to have very tragic circumstances in your life being handled. You know, we all have kids in school who are exposed to the Internet, and you know, we don't know what's going to pop up in their face at any given moment that they don't already know.

KING: This whole thing is a tragedy. Janey, naturally, you believe in the innocence of your brother-in-law.

J. PETERSON: Absolutely.

KING: His attorneys have said that they know who might do this. Do you think you know who might have done this?

J. PETERSON: Yes.

KING: And that is?

J. PETERSON: You know, all I can say is that -- is that it amazes me how far their investigation has come once they were handed the tips, and started -- and started following up on all the witnesses and the reports and...

KING: You mean your investigation?

J. PETERSON: Exactly. When Scott was arrested.

KING: Are you saying that you know how this happened? You know who is responsible?

J. PETERSON: I don't know specific details, but, you know, just in watching how their investigations has gone and knowing, you know, they encourage us in generic ways to let us know that they're definitely...

KING: Someone else did it.

J. PETERSON: Yes.

KING: Lee, are the investigators for you turning the information over to the police? Or is it just being used as a trial weapon?

L. PETERSON: I don't know a lot about that, Larry. I know that the police investigators are following our investigators around, for whatever purpose. You draw your own conclusion there, but...

KING: Do you back up what Janey said? Do the investigators tell you that they have leads that tell them that someone else did this?

L. PETERSON: Oh, yes. Yes. No question.

KING: When was the last time you spoke to Scott, Lee?

L. PETERSON: I spoke to Scott today. He was -- I'll tell you where Scott was. He was in with Matt Dalton, one of the attorneys, in fact, the fellow you showed on your little clip there, and he was preparing a list of sentimental things that he thought Sharon would like. This is the kind of young man he is. And he was doing this when he was -- excuse me, when Matt was called away because of the break-in in the house.

KING: How did Scott react to that break-in?

L. PETERSON: He was -- he said, "I can't believe it, dad, why would they do that?"

15 posted on 05/31/2003 9:05:20 AM PDT by clouda
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To: runningbear; All
Thanks for the ping RB!!
What's with Wacky-Jackie saying that Sharon had no right going in "our house"
Um, excuse me, it's Laci and Snott's house!
This woman is evil...sick!
16 posted on 05/31/2003 9:05:29 AM PDT by Jackie-O
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To: Chad Fairbanks
One of the attorneys last night on Larry King (I think the great Nancy Grace) said there has not been a death certificate issued yet, so legally Laci is still part owner. WHEN Scott is found guilty he is entitled to ZILCH except maybe his very personal belongings (undies etc) and the house goes to Laci's family anyway.

I think the Peterson's, Mark Geragos and especially that Dalton guy are all making this much worse for Scott because those that didn't hate him before this do now!!!!
17 posted on 05/31/2003 9:07:37 AM PDT by WestCoastGal
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To: Chad Fairbanks
That may be, but it's not Jackie Peterson's house either, and the fact that she calls it "our house" is totally out of line.

I haven't heard if Laci had a Will. Does anybody know?

I also watched Greta's show on Fox last night. I thought she was going to have some of Laci's friends on talking about the Peterson marriage. I don't remember seeing that. Can anyone fill me in on it. Was there anybody actually on, and if so, did they give any new insight into the Scaughty/Laci marriage?

18 posted on 05/31/2003 9:08:36 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Jackie-O
No, by law it's now SCOTT'S house. Which means that HE decides who has the right to go in, and who doesn't... but don't let little things like facts get in the way or anything...
19 posted on 05/31/2003 9:08:37 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: runningbear
Silly me. I don't understasnd why the house and its contents, including Laci's possessions, should be accessible to the Peterson family but off limits to the Rochas. They are acting like it is THEIR home, and the Rochas are interlopers. Why should they have control? The Rochas certainly have as much right to enter as the Petersons. Their daughter owned that home, as well.
20 posted on 05/31/2003 9:10:18 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: WestCoastGal
I'm still not totally convinced of his guilt. It's unfortunate that case like this get tried in the media long before they reach a courtroom. Quitre frankly, I'm beginnig to dislike Laci's family as much as I dislike Scott's - it's tragic under the circumstances, that what we are seeing is the worst coming out in everyone involved... not just one side...
21 posted on 05/31/2003 9:10:37 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: clouda
yeeeehaw C.... thank you.....
22 posted on 05/31/2003 9:10:46 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I seriously doubt there's any forensic evidence whatsoever that Laci was killed in the house, because the police & prosecutors have not behaved all along as one would expect were such evidence present. Of course, I personally doubt that Scott Peterson killed Laci Peterson (though I also think he was...how should I put it...less than distraught at her disappearance). Having said all that, I really don't care either way - it's just one more murder amongst thousands...
23 posted on 05/31/2003 9:12:23 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Chad Fairbanks
and is a civil matter... not criminal... (as the DA puts it....;o))
24 posted on 05/31/2003 9:13:25 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Ditto your post #21..
25 posted on 05/31/2003 9:13:53 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: clouda
clouda, these people are just sick...and did you notice that Lee had to give a little jab at Nancy too? I'm convinced he hates women.
26 posted on 05/31/2003 9:14:18 AM PDT by Jackie-O
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To: AntiGuv
Yeah, just one more murder - why the media latches onto one case like a pitbull, I can't fathom... As I said earlier, all we end up seeing of those involved is their 'worst side', and I think it's tragic that the whole nation is watching two families implode publically...
27 posted on 05/31/2003 9:14:37 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Yes right now it's Scott's house, certainly not Jackie P's.
And if he is convicted, if I understand correctly, it will belong to Sharon Rocha in the end.
28 posted on 05/31/2003 9:16:49 AM PDT by Jackie-O
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To: runningbear
Geragos and the Peterson's are making a huge PR mistake.
29 posted on 05/31/2003 9:17:29 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: Jackie-O
In the end, sure, IF he's convicted - as far as I know, he hasn't been convicted yet, except in the media, and by many here...
30 posted on 05/31/2003 9:17:55 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: runningbear
Okay, someone needs to bitch-slap Jackie Peterson NOW. Did I read that correctly her saying "our house." Hmmm.. note to Jackie-It's Scott and LACI'S house.
31 posted on 05/31/2003 9:17:57 AM PDT by Lanza
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To: OREALLY
I don't think the Petersons are winning the PR game at all. If anything, they just made themselves slimed in mud on the face, against the victim's mother and family. The Peterson's are a bunch of hypocrites! And I hope they get the pants sued off them from the Rocha's in a wrongful death suit after scaughty's trial is over! Justice will be completely served then when justice stands before the victim's right, rather than the suspects disregards for human life.

(just my opinon on the matter)

32 posted on 05/31/2003 9:19:00 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
No, by law it's now SCOTT'S house. Which means that HE decides who has the right to go in, and who doesn't...

BINGO

33 posted on 05/31/2003 9:21:35 AM PDT by Drango (There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those that understand binaries, and those that don't.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Laci's family had no legal right to enter that home and start removing items...

No, but morally they do. If I had a son-in-law who murdered my daughter and grandson and subsequently found out that he was a total liar and deceiver I would feel compelled to do the same. The Rocha's tried the polite route, then the legal route, and when they started getting the famous Peterson/Geragos run around and lies they took matters into their own hands.

34 posted on 05/31/2003 9:21:52 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: Chad Fairbanks
"that what we are seeing is the worst coming out in everyone involved... not just one side..."

Why should this surprise anyone. Afterall, many families fight over possessions when a loved one dies. I've seen brothers and sisters take each other to court over stuff like this. It's really pathetic how a family can let material goods come between them. In this case however, one of their own is charged with murdering two of the loved ones. It would seem to me that even if Scaughty hadn't been charged with these murders, there still would have been problems between the two families, especially when it came to the Rochas getting back what they felt was Laci's. More than likely, this all would have landed in a courtroom anyway.

35 posted on 05/31/2003 9:22:11 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Jackie-O
They all are... pathatic creatures they are...
36 posted on 05/31/2003 9:23:30 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
"I'm still not totally convinced of his guilt."

Were you also not totally convinced of David Westerfield's guilt?

37 posted on 05/31/2003 9:24:05 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Yes, I did say IF.
38 posted on 05/31/2003 9:25:10 AM PDT by Jackie-O
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To: WellsFargo94
The Rocha's tried the polite route, then the legal route, and when they started getting the famous Peterson/Geragos run around and lies they took matters into their own hands.

Seems to me that the Rochas didn't want to wait - they had an agreement they were to abide by, and they broke that agreement. If anyone looks bad out of this, it is the Rochas...

39 posted on 05/31/2003 9:25:33 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: runningbear
Agree,rb! And this is a civil and moral issue..very sad.
40 posted on 05/31/2003 9:27:21 AM PDT by Jackie-O
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To: mass55th
It's okay for the Peterson family to go into the house any time they want, but Laci's family couldn't? These people are sick. I think someone should check to see just what it is Jackie Peterson has been inhaling from that oxygen tank!!

The house is in Scott's name - he owns it *shrug*

I can completely understand where the family is coming form though. Let the civil attorney's settle it, although, I would think that the way Laci's family went about it, that it leaves them more open to civil legal trouble.

41 posted on 05/31/2003 9:27:32 AM PDT by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: mass55th
It doens't surprise me - it's just tragic that it's all being played out for the cameras, as if it were a game - it's NOT a game, and they should all stop trying to one-up each other... The Rochas had an agreement in order to get Laci's stuff, then they broke into the home and took stuff from it... that makes them just as scummy as Scott, with his lying and deceiving, in my book...
42 posted on 05/31/2003 9:27:46 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
the deed was in Scott and Laci Peterson's Name.

Correction. The deed IS in Scott and Laci's name. There has been no transfer of title or a Death Certificate filed. The transfer is not complete until the proper paperwork is complete. An affidavit of death, including a certified copy of the Death Certificate has to be filed to remove Laci's name from the title. This has not been done. The house, as to an undivided 1/2 interest, remains the property of Laci.

43 posted on 05/31/2003 9:28:05 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Chad Fairbanks
CF, crime tape had been removed. The house was unsealed. I think this entire thing was just a psyche war against the Rochas. The police have removed all evidence; if Geragos hadn't gotten it all by now, he's just plain lazy or careless. In my opinion, the Petersons and their legal team knew they could hurt the Rochas, so they kept them out. I know the Petersons are fighting for their son's life, but shame on 'em for this.
44 posted on 05/31/2003 9:28:51 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: mass55th
Were you also not totally convinced of David Westerfield's guilt?

Not that it's germane to this case or anything, but I wans't entirely convinced at first, but eventually came around... but, just as in that case, I'll wait for the actual trial and those pesky 'due process' and 'evidence' thingies etc... before I make a determination...

45 posted on 05/31/2003 9:29:38 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
The Rochas had an agreement in order to get Laci's stuff, then they broke into the home and took stuff from it.

Did you miss the part where Geragos interferred in the agreement and canceled it?

46 posted on 05/31/2003 9:29:53 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: WestCoastGal; All
And this is the far most bad PR Geragos could do:

Geragos To Rochas: 'If You Want War, You'll Get War'

Snip it:

Geragos To Rochas: 'If You Want War, You'll Get War'

POSTED: 7:58 a.m. PDT May 30, 2003

MODESTO, Calif. -- Defense attorney Mark Geragos allegedly told the attorneys representing Laci Peterson's family that "if you want war, you got war" after negotiations to allow the Rochas to enter their late daughter's home broke down on Thursday afternoon.

"We thought we had it worked out with Geragos (who represents Scott Peterson) that she (Sharon) could come in here (Laci's home) next Tuesday (June 3)," said Al Clark, one of the two attorneys the Rocha family has hired to attempt to gain access to the home of their daughter.

"He (Geragos) called us in a very loud, very boisterous manner (on Thursday) and said he's not going to allow anyone in the house...I called Sharon and this is right after she heard about the autopsy report and she was very emotional as you can understand and she just said 'I've got to do something.'"

When asked what exactly Geragos said, Clark said he was told by his partner Adam Stewart that the famed defense attorney said: "The words he used were 'If you want war, you'll get war.' I can only think that we were suppose to file a lawsuit to get back a wedding dress and photos. It just seems ridiculous to me."

47 posted on 05/31/2003 9:30:06 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: AntiGuv
There IS forensic evidence that Scott killed her in the house, and the latest evidence backs it up.

Police found evidence of blood and Laci's vomit on some toweling used to clean up the murder scene. The vomit is an important component, as it indicates that her stomach contents were mixed with the blood from the wound.

Now that police have been able to examine the two bodies, they can see that there was a massive wound to Laci's abdomen, deep enough to involve the baby's flesh, too.

Don't doubt the forensics on this one, as this is what will seal the fate of the murderer------Scott. He killed her because he didn't want a child, under any circumstances.

These final revelations are obviously what has turned Laci's mother so hard against Scott at this point, and she just wants her daughter's things back.
48 posted on 05/31/2003 9:30:17 AM PDT by spoiler2
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To: Chad Fairbanks
They were getting conflicting reasons why they couldn't access the home..Defense team said they didn't want the crime scene "compromised" yet the Peterson clan were in there daily,even swimming in the pool.
Maybe they were sick of being lied to and decided in a moment of desparation to take matters into their own hands to preserve the memory of their daughter and grandson. The only thing they have now are all of these horrific leaks about the brutal way they died.
49 posted on 05/31/2003 9:32:04 AM PDT by Jackie-O
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To: Jackie-O
I could hardly stand to hear them on Larry King. What a disfunctional family. They think they are the victims.

Quote from Janey:

You know, he, too, would love to be be sitting among family and friends and grieving the loss of his wife and child, and he is unable to do that, and our family is unable to do that without him.

50 posted on 05/31/2003 9:33:18 AM PDT by clouda ("I can't believe it, dad, why would they do that?")
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