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American Medical Association Endorses Human Cloning!
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Posted on 06/20/2003 3:18:47 PM PDT by webber

American Medical Association Endorses Human Cloning!


Even worse then that, they've embraced the "clone to kill" procedure whereby human beings are created in a laboratory, and destroyed for their stem cells.

IT'S FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE 21ST CENTURY!

We cannot allow ourselves to be fooled by AMA rhetoric. what they are supporting is the creation of life for the sole purpose of experimentation.

It's mad science, and we cannot afford to sit idly by while 260,000 doctors move to accept what is simply another form of abortion.

Grassfire is asking everyone who has a family doctor to help us put intense pressure on the AMA for their endorsement of the "clone to kill" procedure.

We need your help in two very specific ways:

* * * ACTION ITEM #1--ALERT YOUR FRIENDS * * *

In next three weeks, Grassfire will deliver 425,000 "Petition for Life" petitions on your behalf to the AMA in Washington, DC, expressing our outrage and offense, and urging them to retract their position!

However, we are about 30,000 petitions shy of our goal. But with your help we are confident that we can reach our goal in time for this important delivery.

PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS, CO-WORKERS AND CLERGY, ASKING THEM TO JOIN WITH YOU IN THE FIGHT FOR LIFE BY: CLICKING HERE

* * * ACTION ITEM #2--CALL YOUR FAMILY PHYSICIAN * * *

Contact your family physician and let he/she know that you are offended over the AMA's endorsing of the "clone to kill" procedure.

Urge your doctor to oppose to ALL forms of human cloning, research or reproduction!

For the millions of Americans who believe life starts with two cells, this is an issue we simply cannot afford to let pass!

Thank you for taking action today!

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P.S. While Grassfire finalizes our delivery to the AMA, we ask that you take action with us by forwarding this important message to as many of your friends and family as possible-- urging them to take action with you by clicking on the link below.

P.P.S. Be sure to listen to our special Partial-Birth Abortion radio update (available after 12am, June 19). Click below to listen:

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To: sdk7x7
I was told by a moderator or someone who can edit or delete posts to put all activist article posts under breaking news. You talk to them about it. I'm just doing what I was told to do. Do you have a problem with that, Your Highness? Is it you Hind A$$.
21 posted on 06/20/2003 6:44:24 PM PDT by webber
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To: webber
I suppose you also condone Partial Birth Abortion

Suppose all you like. Your supposition would be quite wrong.

22 posted on 06/20/2003 7:29:52 PM PDT by RJCogburn (He's a short, feisty fellow with a messed up lower lip.)
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To: muawiyah
In the defense of the 'cheap doctor' remark, it is malpractice insurance that makes the visits to the doc so expensive.
23 posted on 06/20/2003 7:30:56 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: webber
Good for the AMA.

And now the flames from the FR Luddites will begin...
24 posted on 06/20/2003 8:07:27 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (NO MULLIGANS- BILL SIMON, KEEP OUT OF THE RECALL ELECTION!)
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To: TheAngryClam
Twenty minutes and no sign of them,
Do you supposed their worst fears have been realized and that they have fallen off the edge of the flat earth?
25 posted on 06/20/2003 8:24:22 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: John Beresford Tipton
They're probably too busy being pissed off about a judge refusing to reopen a thirty year old case even though it was fully within his discretion as a judge (the Roe v. Wade thing).

You don't have to be a fan of abortion to realize that what was going on with that was just plain dumb.
26 posted on 06/20/2003 10:04:14 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (NO MULLIGANS- BILL SIMON, KEEP OUT OF THE RECALL ELECTION!)
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To: Calpernia
So, clone the GOOD cheap doctors first!
27 posted on 06/21/2003 2:46:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: adam_az
tell me more about grassfire, they seem to not answer my e mails.
28 posted on 06/21/2003 9:21:27 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: Coleus
Just look at their website. They advocate petitioning the Supreme Court to make decisions based on public opinion. That alone shows that they're clueless.
29 posted on 06/21/2003 11:15:29 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: Sandy
thanks,...

I have reservations about them since I don't know who they are, why they do it, what is their mailing address and phone number and who is on their board. I've asked these "very simple" questions in about 30 e mails to them over the last 2 yrs. and have yet had one answered.

They must have some heck of a database on all us conservatives out there...Who knows maybe they are on the other side building information on us.
30 posted on 06/21/2003 3:21:01 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: TheAngryClam
Time For Moderate Acceptance Has Passed

Aren’t most Americans moderate in their views, falling somewhere in the middle on the issue of abortion?

Yes, the acceptance quotient for the vast majority of Americans falls somewhere between the notions of ‘legal protection for all conceived individual human life’ and ‘legal protection for partial birth abortion’. I was once somewhere between the two ‘extremes’, but the truth offered from persons who had dug deeper into the science and issues regarding nascent human life awakened me from my comfortable slumber. The realization that awakened my brain was that ‘with tacit acceptance of in vitro fertilization and then the apparent necessity for some abortion, our society too quickly arrived at acceptance of, no, DEFENSE OF, infanticide.’ Apparently deceased Democrat Senator from New York, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had a similar epiphany, since he characterized partial birth abortion as infanticide.

After thirty years of 'somewhere in the middle', legalized abortion has lead directly to the maximum cheapening of individual human life. We have Americans defending infanticide for convenience and profit. But is that really the maximum corruption of our founding principles regarding the unalienable right to life? Perhaps we can and will degenerate further. Let’s explore such a probability.

A straight-line course from our current inhumane reality will have us embracing actors in Hollywood who insinuate that ‘exploitation of embryonic life is needed to bolster unencumbered lives of worthy pursuit’ … a notion made palpable by deranged feminists and their political champions who have insisted that in order to be 'fully empowered' a woman must have a legal right to commit violence upon her conceived children. Because of our tacit acceptance for the extreme treatment of individual prenatal life --forceful withdrawal of life support, abortion-- it is assumed by the societal engineers that we will accept conception of individual human lives and then killing those individuals for their body parts. That’s cannibalism.

Stricken Hollywood actors and power-crazed politicians, in order to convince you that exploitation of individual embryonic life is right, must arrange your tacit agreement that killing and harvesting embryos is not the same as killing an individual. But the scientists they would employ and fund with your taxes, to carry out this medical marvel, already know the truth. Here's the key to their reasoning: those seeking your tacit acceptance of embryonic exploitation must have you first agree to a blatant lie ... or worse, have you agree that these are individual human lives being exploited in earliest stage of their less worthy life, defining a higher purpose for these embryonic individuals, to sustain others who were not stripped of life support to harvest their body parts. The first level of agreement --that embryos are not individual humans-- is based on a calculated lie; the second descending level of agreement is acceptance of cannibalism based on that same specious axiom that embryos are not human individuals existing in the normal stage of a human lifetime.

Regarding the specious arguments of nihilist, I've given up addressing directly the bloviations of leftist dead-souls. Instead, permit me to elucidate the slippery slope many faithful people warned of way back when the outrage over in vitro fertilization was squelched ... a downward slope upon which we are now accelerating.

We’ve lost our hold on the goodness of supporting human life (the humane necessity of life support). Now, exploitation of nascent life is a reality: the fetal tissue harvesting industry, with more than a billion dollars in business receipts each year, already influences when a woman ought to have the abortion she seeks because fetal tissue differentiation makes ‘later rather than earlier’ killing and harvesting of the fetus more desirable to those who will profit from the killing. But that's just the beginning of the horror: 1) embryonic stem cell exploitation now demands the conception and killing of untold numbers of embryos; 2) therapeutic cloning is based on the in vitro fertilization/conception of human life, with killing and harvesting as the goal when the embryo has differentiated sufficiently to make specific target-cell identification reliable. Both of these 'scientific advances' require our nation to accept the specious notion that an individual human life doesn't begin with at least first cell division (onset of mitosis).

Having read this far, some will insist, “But an embryo in a petri dish is not the same as an implanted embryo, not the same as a fetus, not the same as a born child, not the same as … “, yet the very science now hurrying to exploit embryonic life is convinced an embryo IS an individual human lifetime begun. “Outrageous assertion”, some will say. Okay, let the goals of their scientific pursuit speak for the scientists.

First, let us examine the goal of in vitro fertilization. In this procedure, a female gamete is fertilized by a male gamete (gametes are the ‘sex cells’ of the adult male or female). Once cell division is evidenced and the embryo reaches a desired number of body parts (the embryonic stem cells), the individual embryo is placed into the uterus of the target woman (and in most cases, several individual embryos are implanted at the same time, ‘running the odds’ so to speak; if too many achieve life support, the attending medical personnel will advise on aborting one or more, to improve the odds for the escaping survivor).

The technician watching the product of fertilization (the conceptus) in the ‘petri dish’ is looking for cell division, to assure that an individual life has begun to express itself, to grow … the technician implants only the embryo proven to be building her or his individual body!

Additionally, the technician must achieve this transfer from petri dish to human uterus at a specific stage in cell division, a specific stage in the lifetime already begun in a dish; if they try implanting too early, the embryo will not have the sticky coating it creates which allows for attachment to the uterine wall. Timing is crucial, timing that is based on proven growth processes of an individual human being's continuum of life. [If you’re wondering, this continuum concept of individual human existence is the exact same reasoning regarding the onset of puberty, for example, as a normal stage in individual human lifetime. Yes, the scientist views individual human life as a continuum, having a beginning at conception and first cell division, and continuing through a myriad of differentiations and organ expressions that could last for decades.]

Let us turn now to cloning, for the methodology of a technician seeking embryonic stem cells or a technician seeking to clone life has much in common with the in vitro fertilization process.

The clone is a genetic duplicate of a parent DNA donor. The in vitro fertilization technician conceives by bringing male and female gametes together, thus achieving the contribution of 23 chromosomes from female and 23 chromosomes from male, resulting in a conceptus having the normal 46 chromosomes. With similar goal of a conceptus in mind, the clone technician seeks to use a mature female gamete from which the chromosomal nuclear ball has been removed and the 46 chromosome nuclear material of the ‘adult donor’ is inserted. [‘Adult donor’ refers to an organism with a normal compliment of 46 chromosomes, not to the age of the donor. In some procedures, the product of male/female conception is stripped of the 46 resulting chromosomes prior to first cell division, and the 46 chromosomes of the donor are inserted.]

If the cloning technician seeks to fully reproduce the genetic donor, the conceptus is observed for evidence of cell division, then, just as with in vitro fertilization reproduction, the embryo is inserted into a woman’s uterus for continued life support … life support for a proven individual human being that is a genetic duplicate of the donor, with none of the ovum donor’s chromosomes. [There is ‘from-the-female’ DNA material in the de-nucleated ovum, associated with the mitochondria units of the ovum, but developmental characteristics of the newly conceived individual will follow the parent chromosomal route throughout growth and development. This is the complicated ‘stuff’ too rigorous for discussion in a short essay.]

If, instead of reproduction for a fully expressed parent donor, the technician desires ‘therapeutic cloning’, the embryo is not implanted in a woman’s life supporting body. Instead, life support is provided in the petri dish until a desired stage of cell differentiation is achieved. Then the embryo (or, if they could keep the individual alive long enough, a fetus) is harvested for the desired tissue, killing the individual being conceived for a tissue specific cloning purpose.

With first cell division, the newly conceived human life is constructing its own space capsule (the placental bubble and the fluid that inflates it) and its own individual body and blood. The woman in whom an embryo resides does not construct the placenta or the body of the newly conceived individual human life. In fact, it is the newly conceived individual who commandeers life support from the woman’s body ... it is the embryonic individual who initiates its own growth and development AND its life support from the woman’s body.

Cell division proves to the scientist that an individual human being is present. But there are other telling phenomena which prove the case that an individual human being is present as an embryo. Following are two.

The production of a sticky coating by the embryonic individual on the surface of the placental barrier the embryo is growing proves the desire to survive. Is that the same as the adult desire for shelter and sustenance? No, it is more akin to the hunger response, but it is unimpeachable evidence, to a scientist, that an individual being exists. Is that being, human? … If the parents are human, that’s always the case. Finally, if the embryonic individual did not construct the placental barrier for its residence, the presence of a genetically foreign individual life in the woman’s body would cause her body to attack the ‘other’.

Why is it important to prove that an embryo is an individual human being? Because embryonic stem cell harvesting and therapeutic cloning are cannibalism.

The ‘enlightened’ expect you to accept the notion that an embryo is not an individual human being. Yet the scientist seeks to conceive 'designer' individual human life --with therapeutic cloning-- and the goal of the scientist bears witness to the truth that they are conceiving then for a time supporting the life of a unique human being. Giving tacit acceptance to a proven lie is bad enough --and we’ve done this for thirty years-- but to embrace cannibalism founded on such a lie is far more degenerate than breaching a moral or ethical dilemma.

If we do not accomplish a paradigm shift in the nation's perception regarding individual human life, two very unpleasant leviathans --embryonic stem cell exploitation and therapeutic cloning-- will devour what remains of our national goodness.

Only God’s mercy will continue our life support, as a nation, should we slide further down the slippery slope. We must somehow ascend back to the goodness of supporting all individual human life and repudiate the cannibalistic exploitation now looming as our future.

31 posted on 06/22/2003 9:09:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: RJCogburn
And ethics be damned.
32 posted on 06/22/2003 11:33:16 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: CobaltBlue
You wrote, "... the doctors remove the egg from the mother using a hypodermic, visualized using ultrasound, and put it into a Petri dish, and then add the father's sperm, and then reimplant the fertilized egg in the mother's uterus?"

Are you aware that there is no fertilized egg implanted in a woman's uterus? Did you know that the embryo reaches approximately 100 or more cell mass, with encapsulating placental barrier it has built, before it is even considered for implanting in the woman's uterus? Are you aware that as soon as mitosis is evidenced, there is no longer a 'fertilized egg'?

With this subject (cloning and exploitation of nascent individual human life) it is vital to be factual and honest in the discussion.

33 posted on 06/22/2003 12:17:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: webber
ping
34 posted on 06/22/2003 12:18:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: rmlew
ping
35 posted on 06/22/2003 12:19:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
I am sorry but I don't get the point. Are you saying that in vitro fertilization is evil, per se?
36 posted on 06/22/2003 2:36:31 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: CobaltBlue
I wrote, "Are you aware that as soon as mitosis is evidenced, there is no longer a 'fertilized egg'?" Mitosis occurs first in a 'dish' with in vitro fertilization. The cell division continues in 'the dish' up to a determined age when the encapsulation organ (the placenta) is evidenced, and then the embryos chosen for implantation that have reached that age are inserted.

Regarding in vitro fert, I don't like it on the grounds that many 'extra' embryos are conceived yet not given the chance to implant. It's kind of like you and your chosen spouse lining up several children and picking which you want then sending the rest not chosen to the meat locker for the rest of their lives.

37 posted on 06/22/2003 2:44:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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