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American Indian group complains scientific review biased -2001 Klamath Basin irrigation shut-off
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Posted on 07/05/2003 10:19:43 PM PDT by chance33_98

American Indian group complains scientific review biased

GRANTS PASS - An American Indian rights group is complaining that the National Academy of Sciences committee that reviewed the 2001 Klamath Basin irrigation shut-off was biased in favor of the economic interests of farmers.

John Echohawk is executive director of the Native American Rights Fund in Boulder, Colorado. He is asking the academy to dissolve the committee that found no scientific justification for shutting off irrigation in favor of fish. Echohawk wants the academy to convene a new committee.

Echohawk says the Klamath Tribes once harvested tens of thousands of pounds of suckers. But he says the Indians have not been able to take more than two a year for ceremonial purposes the past 15 years.

Interior Secretary Gale Norton contracted the academy to review the decisions of federal scientists setting minimum water levels for endangered suckers.

When drought struck the basin in 2001, the U-S Bureau of Reclamation shut off irrigation to most of the 200-thousand acres of the Klamath Reclamation Project to meet the water levels for fish set under the Endangered Species Act.

Echohawk says the bureau used the interim report as the foundation of its ten-year plan for water allocations in the basin, and that after full irrigation deliveries were given farmers in 2002, thousands of salmon died in the lower Klamath River.

Scientists for the California Department of Fish and Game blame the fish kill on low water in the river.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; News/Current Events; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: environment; indians; klamath

1 posted on 07/05/2003 10:19:43 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
yeah, the Klamath tribe like them suckers, but most Oregon people say: "never give a sucker an even break", in fact when we catch them we thump em on the head and throw them up n the bank, no one waqnts to eat them, as well as no native Oregonian would even consider eating a catfish, which are given the same ritual "burial" as suckers.
2 posted on 07/05/2003 10:32:27 PM PDT by rontorr (It's only my opinion, but I am RIGHT)
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To: rontorr
the only good sucker is an obscene statement
3 posted on 07/05/2003 10:32:57 PM PDT by rontorr (It's only my opinion, but I am RIGHT)
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To: chance33_98
I was told that they have found a "hot spot" of ceratomyxa shasta (a fish-killing spore) around Indian Creek - Happy Camp. That is where they had a fish kill this year (even with all the above average tributary flows.) It had nothing to do with the Upper Basin.

By the way, the autopsy reports on last years fish from the USFWS have not yet been released, so the jury is still out on that.
4 posted on 07/05/2003 10:55:46 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: marsh2
Echohawk is a crook and conman.Makes big bucks suing gov
getting paid by taxpayers.All this greenie political and
legal activity to shut dowm farms, is a desperation move
on their part, lately. They know that the suckers are fine.They know that with balanced flows from Trinity,
that is being implemented, the river is fine.But they want to shut off farms,so as to lead the public into thinking
that a shutoff is the reason that things turned out right.
If river is fine with farmers in good shape also, that kills the greens plan to drive then out.So they want them shut down now, to make it seem that is was neccessary,
to help river and fish.Ed.
5 posted on 07/06/2003 8:00:11 AM PDT by hubel458
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To: farmfriend
fyi
6 posted on 07/06/2003 8:09:30 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: chance33_98; hubel458; marsh2; dixiechick2000; Mama_Bear; doug from upland; WolfsView; ...
An American Indian rights group is complaining that the National Academy of Sciences committee that reviewed the 2001 Klamath Basin irrigation shut-off was biased in favor of the economic interests of farmers.

Having attended the meeting where the science they used was presented, I can tell you that this is the biggest load of manuer I've heard in a long time. The science didn't stand up to the test. I was there. Was he?

7 posted on 07/06/2003 2:28:12 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: marsh2; sasquatch
By the way, the autopsy reports on last years fish from the USFWS have not yet been released, so the jury is still out on that.

A report with an infinite moment of inertia cannot be spun.

8 posted on 07/06/2003 3:22:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: chance33_98; marsh2; Carry_Okie; farmfriend; rontorr; Iconoclast2; Phil V.; AuntB
"Scientists for the California Department of Fish and Game blame the fish kill on low water in the river."

Yeah, and these political scientists need the lynx hairs trimmed from their noses that grow longer and longer!!!

9 posted on 07/06/2003 3:33:16 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The Endangered Species Act had not saved one specie, but has ruined thousands of American Dreams!!!)
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To: hubel458; Grampa Dave; backhoe; DoughtyOne; Carry_Okie; sasquatch; Boot Hill; Issaquahking
"Echohawk is a crook and conman"

Question EnvironMental
Communutty Sincerity!!!

10 posted on 07/06/2003 3:41:52 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The Endangered Species Act had not saved one specie, but has ruined thousands of American Dreams!!!)
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To: rontorr
ah, here in WV we do the same with sucker fish, however, fried catfish is wonderful! lol
11 posted on 07/06/2003 3:54:11 PM PDT by countrydummy
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To: chance33_98
The Native American Rights Fund is a particularly evil group. NARF is to rank and file Tribal members as the Steelworker Union operatives are to real steelworkers: in both cases a bunch of commie parasites who are keeping the members down on the plantation. Of course, the Tribes do have their corrupt elite that lives off the casino winnings.
12 posted on 07/06/2003 4:22:27 PM PDT by Iconoclast2
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To: SierraWasp
Perhaps this is the time and place to make public recent research indicating that such lynx hairs only grow when the host bureau-biologist mis-speaks him/herself and issues an inoperative statement.


13 posted on 07/06/2003 6:34:31 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: SierraWasp
Yeah, and these political scientists need the lynx hairs trimmed from their noses that grow longer and longer!!!

I think you win the prize on that one.

14 posted on 07/06/2003 8:43:27 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
"I think you win the prize on that one."

Thank you, but I'm not lookin for no danged prizes! I want this nation and particularly my state to take sanity back from these whacked out screw-balls!!!

I want it to start immediately and progress rapidly. I'm so desperately tired of all this phoney crappola and the ease with which so many are caught-up in all this depraved sophistry!

With each new absurd article you seek out and post, my hopes for America remaining more than just another country sink just a little more. I've never seen such a determined, concerted, orchestrated effort to bring it all down. It's stunning!!!

15 posted on 07/06/2003 10:49:38 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The Endangered Species Act had not saved one specie, but has ruined thousands of American Dreams!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
I don't seek them out. They find me either through flags or email.
16 posted on 07/06/2003 10:54:41 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
You're right! I just saw Libertarian Liz ping you and you were right on it, while I was pingin you.

I didn't mean to imply that you were annoying me with pings and posts. It's just that no matter how absurd the article is that should normally jar people awake... The opposite happens, like everybody was gittin desensitized, or something. Maybe they are and I'm one of the few left who cares.

17 posted on 07/06/2003 11:11:29 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The Endangered Species Act had not saved one specie, but has ruined thousands of American Dreams!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Yes, the problem is pervasive and seems to be ignored. It is frustrating.
18 posted on 07/06/2003 11:59:25 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!
19 posted on 07/07/2003 3:05:23 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: rontorr
Everyone I know has called suckerfish 'Suck@zz' fish.
They're worthless as an eating fish.
Anyone who claims they are good eating should be laughed off the planet.
"Seaslug, Good eating!"
20 posted on 07/07/2003 10:23:59 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Clinton honesty for sale, write your own and Hill will take credit for it, cheap.")
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To: Darksheare


anyone have a better photo?
21 posted on 07/07/2003 12:35:36 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: adam_az
Nope.
But they are one ugly and largely inedible fish.
Give me a pike, pickerel, any bass, trout or sunny anyday..

22 posted on 07/07/2003 1:23:16 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Here I come to ... Whatever" -Mighty Mouse on Prozac.)
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To: countrydummy
I enjoy a good catfish too, the best I have had are the walking catfish in our pond back in Thailand, and another variety that has a marbled spotting on the skin. Had to teach the wife that fried is the best, even better than the local soups they usually make with fish
23 posted on 07/07/2003 3:51:10 PM PDT by rontorr (It's just my opinion, but I am RIGHT!)
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To: Darksheare
in Thailand the local suckerfish are called airplane fish, you see them in a lot of tropical fish aquariams being called Algae Eaters, we were really hungry once and tried to eat some, cause they were the only thing we caught, and didn't have any food yet that day, hardly any meat, and tasted like mud. we through it out, and went out and found some leaves and wild beans to eat in the forest.
24 posted on 07/07/2003 3:56:58 PM PDT by rontorr (It's just my opinion, but I am RIGHT!)
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To: rontorr
Yeah.
I'd eat mallow roots before tryin gto eat a suckerfish.
That, and I'd drink hemlock pine tea.
(Tastes disgusting, but high in vitamin c.)

They are nasty little fish, and all this whining they're doing out there in defense of this pest fish is insane.
Especially since they do hurt native trout populations in some places.
Like here in New York.
25 posted on 07/07/2003 4:02:54 PM PDT by Darksheare (The Borg, the IRS of Star Trek.)
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To: rontorr
as well as no native Oregonian would even consider eating a catfish

Do West Coast catfish taste different than East Coast catfish or are they just considered too easy a catch?
26 posted on 07/07/2003 5:20:28 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: Welsh Rabbit
not speaking for myself, but a lot of guys I know consider the trout and Salmon the only fish worth catching and eating. I myself prefer only one type of fish, the kind that swiim in the water :)
27 posted on 07/07/2003 5:32:04 PM PDT by rontorr (It's just my opinion, but I am RIGHT!)
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To: rontorr
swim
28 posted on 07/07/2003 5:33:09 PM PDT by rontorr (It's just my opinion, but I am RIGHT!)
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To: rontorr
I've encountered that attitude here (I somewhat recently moved to Northern Virginia). A couple of months ago, I went fishing for stripped bass in the Potomac for my first time. We were bringing in some of the biggest catfish I'd ever seen, but my friends, who were native to the area, wouldn't even consider keeping any of them.

When I was in my early teens I lived in Washington state and did some fishing. Now that I think about, I don't recall catfish ever being mentioned once.
29 posted on 07/07/2003 5:54:23 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: farmfriend
Environmentalists Organizations Exposed {Our Klamath Basin Water Crisis}http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b870f13654c.htm
30 posted on 07/07/2003 8:41:53 PM PDT by furnitureman
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To: furnitureman
Thanks for linking the history. A man who does not know history is bound to repeat it.
31 posted on 07/07/2003 8:46:37 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: adam_az
I have a better photo but do not know how to post it
32 posted on 07/08/2003 12:00:53 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: chance33_98
Echohawk says the Klamath Tribes once harvested tens of thousands of pounds of suckers. But he says the Indians have not been able to take more than two a year for ceremonial purposes the past 15 years.

Right, Chief. It's the farmers' fault you can't catch the fish. How long ago was the sucker fish put on the ESA protected list? What? Fifteen years? Whoa!!

33 posted on 07/08/2003 11:43:38 AM PDT by hattend
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To: marsh2
I have a better photo but do not know how to post it

< IMG SRC ="URL for picture">

Do not put the space between < and IMG.

Simple.

34 posted on 07/08/2003 11:48:02 AM PDT by hattend
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To: hattend
not so simple. There is no URL for the picture. It resides on my computer. Thanks anyway
35 posted on 07/08/2003 4:49:01 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: marsh2
Go to Fotki.com, create an account, upload your picture and then link to your fotki account. It's free!

Or send it to me and I'll post it to bump the thread again.

You have Freepmail. :-)

36 posted on 07/08/2003 5:05:18 PM PDT by hattend
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