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A Conspiracy So Vast: Meet Ann Coulter, the Maureen Dowd of the conservatives
Opinion Journal ^ | 07/14/03 | DOROTHY RABINOWITZ

Posted on 07/06/2003 9:17:47 PM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:05:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

John G. Adams, a key figure in the proceedings that effectively ended Sen. Joseph McCarthy's career, passed quietly from the scene last week at age 91. Not surprisingly, his death made no news; it's been a while since those heady days when McCarthy launched his investigations of the Army, which had, he charged, been shielding countless Communist agents at Fort Monmouth and elsewhere. It fell to Adams, the Army's chief counsel, to deal with the charges, which he did to devastating effect in the Army-McCarthy hearings that held the nation in thrall in the 1950s.


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1 posted on 07/06/2003 9:17:48 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; mombonn; Sabertooth; Miss Marple; *Ann Coulter list; BraveMan; 1riot1ranger; ...
Pinging for another column about Ann.
2 posted on 07/06/2003 9:19:03 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
What an utter moron !
3 posted on 07/06/2003 9:19:18 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: DPB101
Over here...come add your sparkling wit and gravitas to this thread. :-)
4 posted on 07/06/2003 9:20:10 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Pokey78
It seems that Ms. Coulter has hit a sensitive nerve. This hatchet job picks at a few minor points and totally ignores the rest of the book.
5 posted on 07/06/2003 9:24:37 PM PDT by EricT.
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To: nopardons
Whether Sen. McCarthy actually believed some of the more fantastic charges he made--charges that brought him instant fame--remains a question...

Hmmmm....I wonder what those charges might be?

6 posted on 07/06/2003 9:26:01 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
The author hasn't a clue ! LOL
7 posted on 07/06/2003 9:26:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: EricT.
Well, if ya consider McCarthy defending Nazi's who executed 88 of our POWS, and accusing our military of being cruel to them a minor point, ya got me there.
8 posted on 07/06/2003 9:27:08 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: EricT.
It also ignores the declassified Soviet intelligence files naming most of the people suspected as Communist agents that actually were Communist agents.
9 posted on 07/06/2003 9:28:15 PM PDT by EricT.
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To: nopardons
utter moron/liberal

I wonder if DOROTHY RABINOWITZ even read the book? If so she missed alot!


10 posted on 07/06/2003 9:29:03 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Prayers for all)
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To: nopardons
Dorothy Rabinowitz is a very sober and stalwart conservative writer who deserves more than your your utter contempt in this instance.Read it again :)
11 posted on 07/06/2003 9:29:27 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: nopardons
What an utter moron!

Actually, Dorothy Rabinowitz is one of the deans of the Wall Street Journal editorial staff.

She exposed the hysteria surrounding the Ameraults, and the State of Washington, in the accusations of massive child abuse in the late 80s and early 90s. She is single-handedly responsible for freeing the two female Ameraults, though Gerald remains behind bars for abuses to children he clearly did not commit!

So, she knows a bit about investigative journalism.

All things considered, Sen. McCarthy's reputation would be hard to refurbish, but give Ms.Coulter credit for an all-out effort. The senator--who knew something about the art of outrage merchandising--would have understood the latest of his public advocates.

How true, especially given the following:

Ms. Coulter's work includes an admiring if brief biography of McCarthy's political career. One that for some reason excludes the senator's remarkable efforts on behalf of the members of the SS battle group who executed 86 American POWs in the Ardennes campaign in December 1944; otherwise known as the Malmedy Massacre. In his impassioned efforts on behalf of the accused--one never to be repeated in his investigative career--the senator charged that the U.S. Army had cruelly mistreated the former SS men.

Ask Ann why she never mentions this. It's pretty damning.

Coulter reminds me of another defender of McCarthy who likely would have ignored the story about the SS as well:

Patrick J. Buchanan.

12 posted on 07/06/2003 9:30:47 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: hoosiermama
I rather doubt that she " got it " if she bothered to read it. OTOH, perhaps she's just jealous of Ann. Or, possibly she thinks that the Commie threat wasn't real and/or important. Perchance she just believes the propaganda against McCarthy.
13 posted on 07/06/2003 9:31:40 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Clemenza; PARodrig; nutmeg; firebrand; RaceBannon; Dutchy; rmlew
btt



14 posted on 07/06/2003 9:32:22 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: Pokey78; sweetliberty
Ann got another one.

That's 4 and counting.

15 posted on 07/06/2003 9:32:55 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber!)
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To: habs4ever
I read what she wrote. Did you ?

She's a Conservative ? A " stalwart " Conservative who makes biased and snide remarks about McCarthy and Ann Coulter's book , wherein Ann defangs the lefties' calumny against McCarthy , does NOT deserve more than my utter contempt !

Just what sort of a " Conservative " is she ; is she a fringer Conservative ?

16 posted on 07/06/2003 9:35:23 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: EricT.
The biggest error that I noticed in the article is that Rabinowitz is confusing the House on UnAmerican Activities Committee with the Senate McCarthy hearings. They are not the same thing. McCarthy went after government officials and employees, not actors and other average citizens. Ann explained all that in her book.
17 posted on 07/06/2003 9:37:42 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Pokey78
Nowhere does this critic address let alone repudiate Coulter's core disclosures. Instead she hauls out a minor figure an alleged victim of mistaken identity as if to suggest this was representative of all the accusations that McCarthy made. Smoke and mirrors and misdirection.

The truth is, we were locked in mortal ideological combat with the Soviet spy and agitprop machines during the 1950s and there was PLENTY of nasty work being carried out in high places in the US government by and through Soviet moles. Democrats were blindly (and in some cases no-so-blindly) complicit in this deliberate targeting and destruction of American institutions.

18 posted on 07/06/2003 9:38:09 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Pokey78
No thread about our beloved Ann would be complete without:


19 posted on 07/06/2003 9:38:26 PM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: habs4ever
Read Coulters book, then defend Rabinowitz's diatribe.
20 posted on 07/06/2003 9:38:36 PM PDT by fat city (This space for rent--Mini Digital Cameras!)
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To: sinkspur
Dorothy Rabinowitz is also the woman who went to Arkansas to interview Juanita Brodderick, and believed her story and wrote it up in the Wall Street Journal.

This is a serious charge, and not one to be dismissed. Why didn't Ann put this in the book?

21 posted on 07/06/2003 9:39:22 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: sinkspur; nopardons
Oh....has Ann Coulter ever been or is now a supporter of or ideologically in tune with Pat Buchanan?

Good Point!

She doesn't look like Pat Buchanan or his typical supporters but who knows? These fascists are clever.

Very,very clever.

OMG...I hear a tip-tap on my roof...fascists...I knowed it ...I knowed it...I knowed it be coming my way...itty bitty fascists with GI Joe uniforms on parachutting on my tin roof (I want tar paper but tin is all I can afford here in the south).

22 posted on 07/06/2003 9:39:58 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: nopardons
Apparently you do not remember her interview with Juania Brodderick.
23 posted on 07/06/2003 9:41:05 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Pokey78
Do you notice that this leftist lemming doesn't mention the Venona Project in this article. It vindicates Joe McCarthy from the charges by the left of McCarthyism, which by the way, was a slogan invented by the Soviet Union, that the left glady took up.

I just finished Ann Coulter's book "Treason" last week and she is spot on about the democratic party, it's a haven for cowards and traitors no matter how you spell it. I believe that the left is made up of mostly cowards and losers more than they are traitors, but those who lead the left are quite different. They are interested in power and control more than anything else and they play on the fears of cowards in order to get them to follow them. They must be stopped if this country has a chance of eliminating the threat of terrorism as well as preventing a nuclear attack by one of these finatical Muslim terrorist groups

Below is a link to the "Venona Project" and it was evidense that was sealed by Congress for 50 years shortly after WWII and was made public in 1995, research it and decide for yourselves

Venona Project

24 posted on 07/06/2003 9:41:58 PM PDT by MJY1288 (He Who Believes Freedom Isn't For All, Is Working For The Devil)
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To: nopardons
She's mainstream...Bob Bartley type of right winger, ie a Reaganite.She' s on the editorial board of the WSJ and a fine writer.She's not soft.

Maybe it comes down to style, but this lady isn't one to give the back of one's hand so glibly ;-)
25 posted on 07/06/2003 9:42:53 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: sinkspur
Oh, so now you're lumping Ann in with Pat ? Because she left out McCarthy's support for some Nazis, when the book has absolutely NOTHING, whatsoever, to do with that subject and is NOT a wholesale biography of Joe ? That's rather confused logic, sink.

I remember her articles and work on behalf of those people and the whole charade/hysteria over supposed child abuse, where none existed. It's a shame that Dorothy can't see beyond her obvious antipathy of Ann ( and Joe McCarthy ) to give a more honest evaluation of the book.

26 posted on 07/06/2003 9:43:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: DPB101
....has Ann Coulter ever been or is now a supporter of or ideologically in tune with Pat Buchanan?

I dunno. She's a bombthrower like Buchanan, she's an egomaniac like Buchanan, and she ignores significant historical data like Buchanan.

She couldn't be more in tune with Buchanan's style if she were a Steinway.

27 posted on 07/06/2003 9:45:35 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Pokey78
Rabinowitz has SERIOUS street cred, but this article only touched on 2 points in the entire book- and the exclusion of one point.

I haven't started the book myself.

28 posted on 07/06/2003 9:46:44 PM PDT by Oschisms
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To: Miss Marple
What has Juanita's rape by Clinton, have to do with the governments coddling and protection of some Commies ? What has it to do with the vilification and revistionist history, now seen as " truth ", by the vast majority of people, which Ann's book is attempting to clear up ?
29 posted on 07/06/2003 9:46:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Pokey78
As one who is in the middle of Ann's brilliant new book, I don't find this a darn bit funny. Although Ann's wit is there, the subject matter is certainly nothing to make light of. The horror of it all is more than I can take in.
30 posted on 07/06/2003 9:46:52 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: Miss Marple
This is a serious charge, and not one to be dismissed. Why didn't Ann put this in the book?

Because McCarthy would have looked like a Nazi-symp, and it would have destroyed Coulter's book.

31 posted on 07/06/2003 9:47:38 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: fat city
They both could be correct, up to point...though I think Coulter isn't really capable of making a long extended argument, when a short, meaty diatribe would suffice.She's a polemicist better suited to the machine gun fire of 1200 word columns and 15 minute spaces on cable TV shows.

If I want depth, why read beyond Whittaker Chambers? You have the best, why settle for an also ran...
32 posted on 07/06/2003 9:47:46 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Pokey78
I would tend to think that a reasoned observer would recognize that the ethics or lack of them shown in McCarthy's own career, and the validity of accusations of infiltration of U.S. government by Soviet agents are two separate matters. One does not preclude or disprove the other. Thus, you can't save the Rosenberg's from guilt by attacking Tailgunner Joe, and you can't repair or excuse McCarthy's reputation by recognizing the truth behind the Venoma Cables,... beyond a certain point.
33 posted on 07/06/2003 9:49:05 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: habs4ever
Well, she's way off the mark on this one.
34 posted on 07/06/2003 9:49:47 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: sinkspur
I'm a fan of Ann and am reading her new book. GO ANN!
35 posted on 07/06/2003 9:51:34 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Pokey78
Ann knew when she wrote her book that mice like Rabinowitz would skitter out of the woodwork to defend the liberal newsroom "conventional wisdom" about McCarthy that they have been nurturing for nearly 50 years. The scumbag liberals have put a lot of time into their effort and they are not about to let some brave soul come along and correct the record.

McCarthy was RIGHT, and scumbags like Rabinowitz don't like it. Every time new evidence emerges that proves McCarthy was right (yet again!) about one of his charges, the liberals go back into smear mode. Former Democrat McCarthy and his young original counsel, Robert F. Kennedy, went into their investigation with their eyes wide open. The foul stench of communist infiltration was in the air and they smelled it.

Rabinowitz does get one thing right: The time was indeed ripe for McCarthy. At the height of the "cold war" there were indeed numerous Soviet infiltrators and spies imbedded in the highest offices of our government and at the Pentagon. Thank God SOMEBODY had the guts to go after them and clean things up.
36 posted on 07/06/2003 9:52:31 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: DPB101
Oh that's rich ! LOL

As far as I know, Ann has never, not once, not ever supported this latest incarnation of Pat. I can't remember her saying that the Nazis were okay. not all that bad, should have won WW II. Nor, for that matter, do I think that Ann is anti-Semitic/anti-Israel.

37 posted on 07/06/2003 9:52:59 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Because she left out McCarthy's support for some Nazis,

So it's OK with you if McCarthy fought to defend Waffen SS Nazis, who were the lead killers at the death camps, and who killed 86 Americans?

That's a pretty significant thing to leave out of a person's biography.

Do you think Coulter would write about Robert Byrd and conveniently leave out the fact that he was a Grand Knight of the Ku Klux Klan?

38 posted on 07/06/2003 9:53:15 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Miss Marple
I remember it; so what's the point ?

WHAT HAS JUANITIA 'S BRUTAL RAPE, BY BILL CLINTON, HAVE TO DO WITH ALGER HISS, ET AL, IN THE 1950s ?

39 posted on 07/06/2003 9:54:26 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Pokey78
No one can accuse the Wall Street Editorial page of being a den of left-wingers. Nor would a leftwinger derisively compare Coulter (whom they hate) to Dowd (whom they love). It's time Coulter lovers realize that not everyone who doesn't buy her rhetoric is a liberal.

The Nazi omission is as serious as omission as you can get. Saying "Oh, but she didn't have time to put that in" is like saying, "Oh, Hillary didn't have time to put in all those rape and abuse allegations in her book."
40 posted on 07/06/2003 9:54:27 PM PDT by MaxPlus305
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To: nopardons
I agree. She's off the mark on this one. I've read TREASON twice. I'm not sure she finished the first half of the book, before she wrote her article.
41 posted on 07/06/2003 9:55:32 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Prayers for all)
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To: habs4ever; nopardons
Dorothy Rabinowitz is a very sober and stalwart conservative writer who deserves more than your your utter contempt

Indeed, Dorothy Rabinowitz went and personally interviewed Juanita Broaddrick.

Who is Dorothy Rabinowitz?

She certainly is not a moron.

42 posted on 07/06/2003 9:56:08 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: nopardons
Ann is what she is..and she has galvanized this issue through the strength, or notoriety, of her personality, which serves both her interests and those of history, though I'm not convinced her work serves the latter ;-)

A dull prof bringing more Venona et al to light lacks the splash this Pubby blonde(?) warrior brings, which is both good and bad, but consider her a pop phenomenon.I'd take her over Andrew Sullivan, but she is still a one trick pony...
43 posted on 07/06/2003 9:57:08 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Lancey Howard
scumbags like Rabinowitz don't like it.

The rest of your post is readable. This had no place in it, and a responsible poster like you ought to know better.

Ann Coulter can only dream about being a journalist the calibre of Dorothy Rabinowitz.

I get the feeling that lots of folks on this thread haven't read Dorothy. You really ought to.

44 posted on 07/06/2003 9:58:53 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Miss Marple
I don't think that the charge made about McCarthy claiming that the U.S Army mis-treated the SS Officers can be labeled as defending them for them executing our soldiers. In WWII we honored the Geneva Conventions and I would have to look at that particular case before concluding that McCarthy was defending the Nazi's, he might have been trying to make sure we kept our commitment to the Geneva Conventions.

I will look into it, unless you can enlighten me otherwise?

45 posted on 07/06/2003 9:58:56 PM PDT by MJY1288 (He Who Believes Freedom Isn't For All, Is Working For The Devil)
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To: sinkspur
THIS BOOK IS NOT A BIOGRAPHY ABOUT JOE McCARTHY !

Now, if it were, yes, I think that omitting such information would have been shoddy, misleading ( at the very least ), and beneath contempt.

Since Ann Coulter's book is about something else entirely, would you care to explain to me why it is neccessary to include that ? If Ann wrote a book entitled " KKK TERRORISM " , should she include what loving, caring, kind husbands, the Klansmen were ? Or, should she solely focous on what acts of terror they committed ? If you don't care for thsi analogy, supply one of your own.

46 posted on 07/06/2003 10:03:27 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MaxPlus305
The Nazi omission is as serious as omission as you can get. Saying "Oh, but she didn't have time to put that in" is like saying, "Oh, Hillary didn't have time to put in all those rape and abuse allegations in her book."

Including it would have negated all the hosannas she heaps on McCarthy.

Defending Nazis is still an abomination, though I'm sure some Coulter fans will twist themselves into pretzels coming up with a rationale for the "oversight."

47 posted on 07/06/2003 10:04:50 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: hoosiermama
I haven't read it yet; but shall. But, I've read more than enough snippets to wonder why Dorothy wrote such a hit piece.
48 posted on 07/06/2003 10:05:12 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: habs4ever
Ann touches on this when she thanks M. Stanton Evans, Allan H Ryskind and Tom Winters for their research and materials. Let's face it do any of us know the names of any of these men? Or their expertise?

The message is getting out because of the splash this Pubby blonde(?) warrior brings,...

And yes, I do intend to read Evans book. He's got all the facts on McCarty.

49 posted on 07/06/2003 10:05:33 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Prayers for all)
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To: Pokey78
To those who think Rabinowitz is a leftie or a sellout, I suggest you read the following;

http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/clinton/wopbroaddrick20.html

Whether she is right or wrong here, and not having read Coulter's book I have no input on that, Rabinowitz is as much a conservative as Coulter is...

50 posted on 07/06/2003 10:06:59 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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