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Savage Fired After Anti-Gay Remarks to Yolo County Man
Sacramento Bee ^ | July 8, 2003 | J. Freedom duLac

Posted on 07/09/2003 8:17:37 AM PDT by republicofdavis

Bob Foster, the rural Yolo County man who has taken to terrorizing TV and radio shows with prank phone calls, says his hobby "is all about getting a reaction."

But this may be more than he bargained for. On Saturday, Foster called Michael Savage's live MSNBC show to mention a favorite radio duo, Don and Mike.

Savage was apparently not amused and made a series of homophobic comments to Foster on the air.

On Monday, news broke that the controversial broadcast personality had been fired by MSNBC. And it wasn't long before Foster began to feel the wrath of Savage fans, who have taken to the Internet to spew invective his way.

"I've been getting so much hate e-mail from the Savage Nation," Foster says. "It's kind of frightening, actually. People are saying, 'Look behind your back.' And they're making anti-gay statements.

"I'm not gay. But they're calling me derogatory gay names. It goes on and on. They're disregarding what Savage said and putting the blame on me for him losing his job. It's ridiculous.

"I don't like to see a guy lose his job. But he made a mistake. His comments were way out of line."

The comments in question came after Foster called and began telling Savage about a flight he took from New York.

"Half-hour into the flight," Foster is heard saying on a tape of the incident, "I need to suggest that Don and Mike take your (inaudible) ... 'cause your teeth are real bad."

Savage fumes at the remarks and says:

"Oh, you're one of the sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig? You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage? You've got nothing to do today? Go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis."

Savage then asks to speak to a caller who "didn't have a nice night in the bathhouse who's angry at me today. These bums mean nothing to me."

During the exchange, somebody off-camera in Savage's studio can be heard gasping.

MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines says Savage was fired immediately after the broadcast.

"In reaction to a hostile caller, Savage made an extremely inappropriate comment," Gaines says. "The decision to cancel the program ('Savage Nation') was not difficult."

Savage remains on the radio, where his show is syndicated in more than 200 markets -- including Sacramento, where it airs on KSTE (650 AM).

KSTE's operations manager, Ken Kohl, could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

Savage, too, has been unavailable for comment.

But Foster was readily available to talk about Savage, whose TV show he'd phoned once before.

"I called him a racist that time, and he went off," Foster says. "It was such an overwhelming reaction, I had to do it again.

"Some people think I was out to get him. But I wasn't. I'm a talk-radio fan. I appreciate what he does, despite his opinions. But he was taking phone calls on national TV, and I wanted to mention Don and Mike."

Foster, who has prank-called everybody from Larry King to Don Imus, says while the response from Savage fans has been brutal ("They hate me," he says), he's also received more than a few words of support.

"I've actually gotten more mail in favor of what I did," he says. "I've been getting a lot of thank-you mail from gay-rights advocates.

"Savage definitely has issues with the gay-rights movement. What I said had nothing to do with gays. He just interjected that. He has a lot of gay protesters, and I think that was on his mind."

Cathy Renna of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation says that with gay issues in the forefront of the national news, "Savage's behavior and his attacks violate even the minimal journalistic standards and have no place on a reputable news network like MSNBC."

Savage was hired by MSNBC in early March. His Saturday talk show boosted MSNBC's ratings marginally in the 2 p.m. time slot, but in 14 outings it still ran a distant third to shows on Fox News and CNN.

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The Bee's J. Freedom du Lac can be reached at (916) 321-1115 or jdulac@sacbee.com. USA Today contributed to this report.


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To: lepton
"He's a journalist?"

Nope. And I didn't even know there were "minimal journalistic standards."
101 posted on 07/09/2003 12:41:19 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: republicofdavis
I agree, we don't need the violence. Not against this idiot, any way.

What I'm saying is Harry Truman's old adage: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

102 posted on 07/09/2003 1:55:43 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: FourtySeven
Please read all my posts on this thread up to this point, as I've addressed your points in previous posts.

No, I don't see anything about the missing comments, except the post I initially responded to. And frankly, by your comments so far, I don't see how you "hoped he'd do well". Was that before you listened to him? In that case why would you hope he'd do well; you didn't know anything about him? Was it up until his comments on TV, after listening to him on radio? In that case, he says the same type of thing on radio.

103 posted on 07/09/2003 1:56:10 PM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people)
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To: tallhappy
Minor point about the Kindergartners. I understand your point -- it is an immature comment of the sort one would hear on a school yard.

My point there is Kindergarten is too young for that.

104 posted on 07/09/2003 2:23:43 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: FourtySeven
What bothers me is I am not the one being irrational. I'm trying to bring this hysteria back in to the rational realm.

What about if he had simply said, "I hope you eat a sausage and choke on it?" Would that be as bad as get AIDS or worse than the long walk on short pier?

What is the standard? Is there a standard for rhetoric? Is there an objective way to determine which insult is worse?

Can we rank the insults?

"Take a long walk on a short pier" would be least bad.

Then, "East sausage and choke to death" would be a worse, except in the case that the person on the receiving end actually did eat a lot of sausage making the remark conceivably possible. Then it'd be worse.

"Get AIDS and die" would be the worst. Why? Because it might seem to most realistic given that the individual ostensibly partook in activity that could cause the scenario Savage hoped for.

You see how absurd this all is? Take a long walk on a short pier is not seen as bad because it is obviously figurative. But the get AIDS and die was just as figurative.

Can people say "drop dead" to crank callers? Is that bad and not tolerable.

105 posted on 07/09/2003 2:36:32 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
How come you didn't reply to 81?

Think about it.

106 posted on 07/09/2003 2:38:46 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: republicofdavis
See above. Why didn't you reply to 81?
107 posted on 07/09/2003 2:42:42 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
"I did, in fact, hear someone predict it. Very recently as well.
It was Savage himself.
I wonder does he get his salary from MSNBC still?"

As to whether he gets his salary still, I don't know.
As to his prediction of his demise, that wasn't too hard to predict. All along he said people were out to get him, and now having handed them the bat with which to beat him, he can rail about them getting him even more.

You know, they've always been out to get Rush, too. But he still carries on because he doesn't take his rhetoric to a level that his employers (advertisers) don't want to go.



108 posted on 07/09/2003 3:03:49 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: republicofdavis
Not everyone wants to do a TV show.

But, getting paid after they cancel your show is money in the bank.

109 posted on 07/09/2003 3:16:09 PM PDT by tallhappy
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"I'm not gay. But they're calling me derogatory gay names."

So then did Savage make "homophobic comments"? AIDS is not a gay disease (or so the homosexual lobby has tried to persuade us).

He asked if the caller was a sodomite to which he responsed "yes".

Sounds like the called was a politically incorrect clymer too. "Fronting" at being a homosexual.

The media doesn't care, they got their story and Mike got fired.

Meanwhile Nina Totenberg still has her respect and job. She wished AIDS on Jesse Helms and on his grandchildren. I guess since they aren't "gay" it is just postmodern irony and perfectly acceptable.

"I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it." -- Reacting to Senator Jesse Helms' claim that the government spends disproportionately on AIDS research, July 8, 1995 Inside Washington.
This is the oldest game in the book, don't fall for it.
110 posted on 07/09/2003 3:20:48 PM PDT by weegee
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To: republicofdavis
Savage, too, has been unavailable for comment.

Michael Savage would be willing to make himself available. Why don't they call his show where he's been talking about this subject (on radio)? He was upset that O'Reilly found it an issue to discuss on his program yet he did not make an effort to get a comment from Savage.

But Foster was readily available to talk about Savage, whose TV show he'd phoned once before.

This loon talkes about how he got "hate email". How did anyone find out who he was? He stepped forward someplace. Did he boast of his actions?

111 posted on 07/09/2003 3:25:39 PM PDT by weegee
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To: FourtySeven
Savage just went off on him because he's an angry person filled with hate.


What Savage said...it's about the same sort of things I've been shocked to hear
in a few unguarded moments from some of my more liberal, Democratic academic colleagues.

Of course he shouldn't have said it.
It was mean-spirited.
And if anyone knows that folks in his demographic are constantly monitored
for any comment that can be called "hate speech", it should be Michael Savage.

Every adult needs to understand.
Not only can a "paper trail" hang you out to dry...so can a "voice trail".
112 posted on 07/09/2003 3:29:10 PM PDT by VOA
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To: FourtySeven
Good then I expect to hear a campaign from you to get not only Michael Savage's radio show cancelled but Nina Totenberg's as well. After all, Nina is even on taxpayer supported public broadcasting.
113 posted on 07/09/2003 3:29:39 PM PDT by weegee
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To: republicofdavis
It's funny, I also have listened to his show and know that he professes that he doesn't have any personal problem with gays, he just hates their political agenda. But he sure had those personal insults at the tip of his tongue to blast away with.

What insults? AIDS, rejection at the bathhouse, sodomite?

He also was eating sausages on his show and told the caller to choke on a sausage and even to get trichinosis (parasites from undercooked meats, such as pork).

He lobbed a bunch of insults at the caller. The insults were determined to be politically incorrect. Is AIDS a politically protected disease? Is it somehow more worse than other terminal diseases such as brain cancer?

Is sodomite an incorrect term especially considering there were laws termed "sodomy laws"?

Is talk of bathhouses verboten?

Certainly trichinosis is not an illness that only hits the homosexual community.

114 posted on 07/09/2003 3:34:12 PM PDT by weegee
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To: FourtySeven
Outside of some colorful expressions for "Drop dead" there were no (genuine) death threats in Michael Savage's comments.
115 posted on 07/09/2003 3:37:04 PM PDT by weegee
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To: hobbes1
Maybe Tim Robbins will come on his show, and talk about the "Chill" on Free Speech produced by his firing...

Unlikely, his stepmom, Susan Sarandon was a part of the campaign to prevent Dr. Laura from getting a tv show.

116 posted on 07/09/2003 3:38:11 PM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee
"What insults? AIDS, rejection at the bathhouse, sodomite?

He also was eating sausages on his show and told the caller to choke on a sausage and even to get trichinosis (parasites from undercooked meats, such as pork).

He lobbed a bunch of insults at the caller."

You asked me "what insults" and then say "he lobbed a bunch of insults" . . .

I don't get what you're asking. If it's your position that the things he said were not insults, by my understanding of what an insult is, I would have to disagree.
117 posted on 07/09/2003 3:40:00 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: republicofdavis
That will get you kicked off national TV, that's what. And now he's lost a forum to reach a lot more people with his often correct ideas. But hey, he sure got off some good anti-gay lines before he went. Too bad the guy wasn't gay.

I normally don't listen to his radio show (and I don't have cable, so I didn't watch his MS-NBC series) but I have been listening since he got fired. No other media outlet is giving his side of the issue (they don't bother to ask him (questions). There is nothing to prevent a journalist from just asking him to explain what happened (as a concerned caller to his show). Not interjecting their spin, just asking.

Mike said that one of the things he was proud of was showing shots of the gassed Kurds in Iraq on MS-NBC to show some of the horrors of the Saddam regime.

I don't know what else he accomplished or what negative image he put forth. That is irrelevant.

His foes wanted him off the air and siezed this opportunity to reach that end. It is a double standard that has not been applied to liberals though and certainly seems to be an overreaction.

MS-NBC is under no obligation to keep them. If I were to boycott NBC it would mean giving up my occassional watching of Conan O'Brien's show (which was a program that aired Alec Baldwin's comment that Henry Hyde and his family should be stoned to death). That one program is the only NBC show that I even marginally watch.

NBC cheifs are hypocrites though and that bears noting.

118 posted on 07/09/2003 3:55:17 PM PDT by weegee
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To: PLMerite
If you're gonna pull a prank, be smart enough not to leave a trail.

He's proud of what he did. That's why he's boasting online.

If he weren't such a LOOSER he might be engaged in more productive ventures.

He's no different than the DirtyUnderwear trolls who come to FR, launch a thread, get banned, and then boast of their suspension on DU.

Should FReepers not insult these trolls anymore?

ZOT threads would seem to indicate that there is support for taunting trolls.

119 posted on 07/09/2003 4:03:40 PM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee
"His foes wanted him off the air and siezed this opportunity to reach that end. It is a double standard that has not been applied to liberals though and certainly seems to be an overreaction."

I guess this is really where the rubber meets the road so to speak with the people I've been disagreeing with. I don't think his opponents got him fired. I think he was fired before the last word escaped his lips. He'll say "they" got him, and ride that for a good long time but anyone with any objective observation of media and politics would know this was going to happen as soon as he said it.

Is there a double standard? Of course. But the answer is that we need to do a better job of raising our anger at the Malveuxs and Totenbergs so that they suffer consequences for their remarks. Of course that's tough with the media mostly aligned against us, but the situation is improving (see Dixie Chicks).

120 posted on 07/09/2003 4:07:20 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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