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Selling Homosexuality to America
CBN ^ | 7/11/03 | Craig von Buseck

Posted on 07/11/2003 2:12:34 PM PDT by apackof2

Selling Homosexuality to America

By Craig von Buseck
CBN.com Producer

In this exclusive interview, Paul Rondeau talks about his in-depth study, Selling Homosexuality to America, which was recently published in the Regent Law Review.

CBN.com – In his recent study, Selling Homosexuality to America, marketing expert Paul Rondeau explains, "Among America's culture wars, one of today's most intense controversies rages around the issue alternatively identified, depending on one's point of view, as "normalizing homosexuality" or "accepting gayness." The debate is truly a social-ethical-moral conceptual war that transcends both the scientific and legal, though science and law most often are the weapons of choice. The ammunition for these weapons, however, is persuasion."

This article and interview explores how gay rights activists use rhetoric, psychology, and the media to frame what is discussed in the public arena -- and how it is discussed. "In essence," Rondeau points out, "when it comes to homosexuality, activists want to shape 'what everyone knows' and 'what everyone takes for granted' even if everyone does not really know and even if it should not be taken for granted."

"The first strategy of persuasion," he goes on to say, "is to establish a favorable climate for your message so that the communicator (marketer) can influence the future decision without even appearing to be persuading ... This is at the heart of the homosexual campaign: to get consent via social construct today to determine whose idea of personal freedoms will prevail in our legal codes tomorrow."

Paul Rondeau has been a senior sales and marketing management professional with industry leaders for over 25 years. He holds an M.A. in Management, with a specialty in persuasive communication. Currently, he is a doctoral student in communication studies with a focus in rhetoric and persuasion.

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To: Old Professer
Anytime one begins an argument with the phrase, "Most reasonable people..." he is arguing that anyone who doesn't agree with him is unreasonable and therefore the counterargument has no merit apriori.

Much like Plato's Euthyphro and how Socrates challenges Euthyphro on his "piety to the gods."

51 posted on 07/13/2003 1:23:25 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: miner89
Psychologists tend to distinguish, at least among men, "situational" homosexuality and homosexual orientation, with the former being typified by gay conduct in prisons, and the like, and gay conduct among men who are denied sexual outlet with women because their community forbids premarital sex and restricts marriage to men with certain levels of income and property.
52 posted on 07/13/2003 1:26:35 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: only1percent
"How can you seriously suggest that a certain percentage of population having a gay inclination is not natural? A minority of persons being gay has been an observed and recorded fact throughout historical time and throughout virtually all human societies. Of course "natural" does not necessarily equal "good." "

Murderers have been consistently observed from the time of Cain and Abel too. They have been an observed and recorded fact throughout historical time and virually all human societies.

Therefore, using your definition of "natural", murderers are "natural". Should be create special protections for them? Dont' they have a right to "privacy".

Jeffery Dahlmer was railroaded! A victim of the vast right wing conspiracy to discriminate against murderous canibals! The laws that Dahlmer was convicted on, should be overturned because they only serve to "stigmatize" murderers! (Rant off!)

53 posted on 07/13/2003 1:35:48 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: only1percent
How can you seriously suggest that a certain percentage of population having a gay inclination is not natural?

Easy. Humans and other mammals reproduce how?

Humans willfully pervert their anatomical functions for pleasure or gratification. Many times this is hidden or masked (like an ancient Greek actor) out of their own guilt-ridden philosophical perspective. It shows they are really afraid to admit they enjoy, or have become enslaved, to their perversion(s).

It is an idol they have constructed for you to revere and obey so they don't have to admit they are perverts.

Any human population has a percentage aberrant behavior - - rapists, molestors, drunks, murderers, suicides, etc. Homosexuality is no different...

54 posted on 07/13/2003 1:35:52 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: DannyTN
"and virually,/b> all human societies"

I didn't intend that, I meant virtually, but virually does fit.

55 posted on 07/13/2003 1:37:57 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: apackof2
Bump for later reading.

Sadly they are succeeding too.

56 posted on 07/13/2003 1:47:28 PM PDT by nmh
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To: PurVirgo
Unconditional love means loving the person, not loving their sin. If you see a kid fixin' to run out in the street in front of a bus, are you going to try and stop them? If someone you love is doing something that you know will kill them, aren't you going to try and warn them? Shouldn't love also motivate us to warn those who are in danger of eternal separation from God? It may not be comfortable to think about, but there are people who are going to hell. Not because God wants them to but because it is the path they choose. We may all be created in the image of God and He loves us all and is not willing that any should perish, but He will not force us to obey Him. Neither can He lie and go against His own Word. God calls the practice of homosexuality an abomination. That is enough for me to base my opinion on. Shark infested waters do not make for safe swimming beaches, streets do not make safe playgrounds and people with infectious diseases are quarantined to protect public health. There is spiritual disease too, and homosexuality is a symptom of it and it can "infect" others who are exposed to it. We have a responsibility to protect the innnocent as much as we have a responsibility to warn the guilty.
"Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corin. 6:9b-10)

57 posted on 07/13/2003 1:49:48 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: DannyTN
Actually the devil is even craftier than just denying the beliefs of the bible.

I've seen debates with so-called homosexual "christians" who claim to believe the bible is inerrant but reinterpret the commands against homosexuality as applying only to sex with temple prostitutes.

They come at you from all angles.
58 posted on 07/13/2003 1:50:59 PM PDT by lockeliberty
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To: sweetliberty
Amen!
59 posted on 07/13/2003 2:07:10 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: sweetliberty
And amen!!
60 posted on 07/13/2003 2:07:43 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: sweetliberty
You go girl!
61 posted on 07/13/2003 2:08:32 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: sweetliberty
WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
62 posted on 07/13/2003 2:10:47 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: viaveritasvita
I sure seem to be finding myself on a lot of these threads these days. I'm somewhat surprised that there are so many apologists for homosexuality on FR.
63 posted on 07/13/2003 2:11:08 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
It seems you are confusing "natural" with "good."

Unnatural means atypical, artificial, or externally imposed. It is absolutely clear that a minority of the population having homosexual inclination is typical, universal, and organic among human populations.

Knowing this, we are still left with categories -- it could be protectible (like we protect disabilities and racial minorities), it could be totally ignored (like being left-handed), it could be regarded with distaste but not punished (like beign grossly overweight), it could be regarded as sickness and treated with pity and symptons (i.e., gay conduct) not punished, or it could be regarded as a sociopathology and treated with punishment and incapacitation.

The category you pick is going to be based on your values, but none of it goes to show that gayness is unnutural.
64 posted on 07/13/2003 2:11:55 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: only1percent
Unnatural means atypical, artificial, or externally imposed. It is absolutely clear that a minority of the population having homosexual inclination is typical, universal, and organic among human populations.

You know, I look at that a completely different way. Since it is absolutely clear that a MINORITY of the population has homosexual inclinations that means that it is NOT typical.

65 posted on 07/13/2003 2:16:16 PM PDT by knak
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To: PurVirgo; sweetliberty
>>"I guess what I'm trying to say is that we are ALL God's children...."<<

We are all God's creation; we are His children when we believe, follow and love Him by keeping His commandments. In crude earthly terms: There's a huge difference between a sperm donor and "daddy."

>>"...and he shows no favoritism....."<<

You might want to seriously research these points because your eternal soul is at stake. It may be true that God shows no favoritism among His children (see above), but the Bible is clear that there are those who are His people and those who are not. He will Judge us all.
66 posted on 07/13/2003 2:19:52 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: sweetliberty
>>"I'm sorry this makes you so angry, but one thing I keep in mind is that if a person makes me angry or disgusted, then I need to look in the mirror and figure out just why..."<<

Psychobabble if I ever heard it.
67 posted on 07/13/2003 2:21:17 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: viaveritasvita
I think on this issue alone I have come to understand why a lot of FReepers get so hostile towards libertarian ideas. There is a point where the "freedom" of individuals HAS to be weighed against the health of society. I still basically believe that people should be free to do whatever they want as long as they're not hurting anybody, but sometimes making the determination as to what point individual behavior hurts somebody else can be as elusive as the definition of "is" to a Clinton.
68 posted on 07/13/2003 2:26:44 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
I know what you mean.

I'm reading a book by Billy Graham, Storm Warning, and in it he says (regarding the fall of the Berlin wall in 1990): "I spoke to a group of wide-eyed East Germans at the wall who told me they were both hopeful and frightened. They were hopeful that peace and freedom would improve their way of life, but they were frightened by the scenes of greed, materialism and immorality they saw in the West. They said they would rather remain behind the wall, in poverty and bondage to Communism, than discover that "freedom" was nothing more than moral decadence, corruption, sin, violence, and greed....."
69 posted on 07/13/2003 2:36:45 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: sweetliberty
Yes, I would try to stop a child from running into the street. Yes, I would warn somebody if their actions are causing them harm. In the first instance, a child who runs into the street and narrowly escapes death will probably learn from his or her mistake. However - in the second scenario, it is perhaps likely that what we perceive as harmful, in fact is a source of pleasure for that person. Since he or she does not see the harm in it, he or she is not going to listen. My responsibility is to always be of help, never to harm.

What is the difference between a spiritual disease and a physiological one? Say your best friend has schizophrenia, a diagnosis made after you have known him for years. Suddenly, he is not the same person you knew for so long. I am willing to bet that, Christian as you are, you will remain his friend, no matter what. If his condition deteriorates to the point of institutionalization (sp?), chances are you will visit him and let him know you are still there for him.

Now, replace the schiz with homosexality. And the institution with a relationship with another man. Would you still do the same?

70 posted on 07/13/2003 2:36:51 PM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: viaveritasvita
He will Judge us all.

Which is why judgement is not our (man's) job.

"Judge not, lest you be judged the same"

71 posted on 07/13/2003 2:42:11 PM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: apackof2
...a federal court ruling that found Connecticut is within its rights to exclude the Boy Scouts...

All this proves is that there are some federal judges who need to lose their jobs.

72 posted on 07/13/2003 2:43:12 PM PDT by Aarchaeus
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To: PurVirgo
I have had friends and co-workers over the years who were homosexual. I currently have a boss who is. As individuals, I treat them no differently than anyone else, but I don't attend their parties or partake in socializing with their "inner circle", nor do I believe it would be appropriate for me to do so. Would I be bothered if they contracted AIDS? Yes. Would I visit them in the hospital? Maybe. Would I be there if they needed me? Sure. Would I tell them that I thought what they were doing was acceptable? Absolutely not.
73 posted on 07/13/2003 2:47:21 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: viaveritasvita
Just an observation. My problems center in me. If I have a problem with you, I need to understand why, not just give in to the emotion behind it.

IOW, it doesn't matter what you think about me, but what I think about you.

74 posted on 07/13/2003 2:47:43 PM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: sweetliberty
beleive me, I don't think of you any less a person because of that. I guess I have placed homosexuality in the same boat as race, age or gender. It's a nonissue with me. And I'm not sure if it should be, because, as I said, I honestly don't beleive it's a choice, just as race, age and gender are not either.
75 posted on 07/13/2003 2:54:10 PM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: sweetliberty
I'm somewhat surprised that there are so many apologists for homosexuality on FR.

I believe most of them are Liberaltarian/DU trolls. Just wait. They'll see this thread and go into a homosexual orgasmic frenzy. The attack will be relentless.

76 posted on 07/13/2003 3:00:26 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: PurVirgo
Judge by the same measure.

"Test the spirits" (sorry, don't have scripture passage at hand) as the Bereans did to judge whether what is being said/done/promoted is Biblical.

We all make judgements every day; the deeper question is: By what (or Whose) measure are we making judgments?
77 posted on 07/13/2003 3:02:05 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: PurVirgo
But IF you believe in God and the Bible, it is quite impossible to believe homosexuality is the same as race, age or gender, because that would require that God deliberately put people in a catch 22 where they had no choice in what they were but were still judged for it. God creates us male or female, black or white and we are born when we're born, but He does not create us to a certain sin. As I alluded to in a previous post, I will concede that the possibility exists for a predisposition to homosexuality in SOME cases, but in that case, it would really be no different than than someone who may have a genetic predisposition to alcoholism. It doesn't mean that it then becomes okay to be a drunk, just that the individual might have to work harder than the next guy to resist the temptation to drink.
78 posted on 07/13/2003 3:03:41 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: PurVirgo
Which is why judgement is not our (man's) job.

"Judge not, lest you be judged the same"

My friend...Jesus didn't say this so that we would accept moral anarchy.

79 posted on 07/13/2003 3:11:09 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: viaveritasvita
Maybe my spirituality is just different. I don't beleive in human judgement, because it's not my job. The courts deal with issues of the flesh, and God will deal with issues of the spirit. I can show people God's promises in return for a narrow path, but I can not force them down it. If I do, then I have destroyed any chance that I can be of help to them in the future. Does that make sense?
80 posted on 07/13/2003 3:19:33 PM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: sweetliberty
Again, I find fault with your argument. Not too long ago, children born left handed were seen as either witches, evil, bad omen, whatever. If that were the case, why would God have created an innocent child to be judged so?

In Native American culture, a child born of blue eyes were also given the same status.

In my culture (Asian), a firstborn child that is femal brings shame into the family.

They are all based in ignorance. Of course God didn't create left handed babies, blue eyed children, or little girls for the express purpose of damnation. But

current thought at the time dictated that. Can you at least consider the possibility that the same is true of homosexuality?

81 posted on 07/13/2003 3:28:45 PM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: I got the rope
no, but he did say it so that we may be examples of His love.
82 posted on 07/13/2003 3:30:15 PM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: PurVirgo; sweetliberty
>>"I can show people God's promises in return for a narrow path, but I can not force them down it. If I do, then I have destroyed any chance that I can be of help to them in the future. Does that make sense?"<<

It makes a lot of sense. But keep in mind that there may not be a "future" time when you can help someone in the right way. You can't force anyway to accept God and to choose the narrow path that Jesus has trod before us, but you can yell and scream and point and wave your hands and shoot off flares and bang on the door of their hearts and...well, you get the picture. Similar to what sweetliberty was saying earlier, you wouldn't let a man die in a burning house if you could do something (in fact, I venture to say you'd force him out of the house!!). Why should we do anything less when the man's soul is dying??
83 posted on 07/13/2003 3:48:24 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: PurVirgo
" Can you at least consider the possibility that the same is true of homosexuality?"

No, and again the reason is simple. In all the cases that you sited, it was MAN'S sin that branded those children. GOD never said it was a sin ro be left-handed or blue-eyed or female. Those were all constructs of man, not God, and any child who suffered as a result of those wrongful judgements by men may well be redeemed by God. Homosexuality is different in that GOD says that it is sin and as such will be ultimately judged by God, regardless of what men say about it. In other words, no matter how many city spported "parades" they have, or how many books are written for children making it look like it is okay for Heather to have two Mommies, no matter how many churches decide to ordain practicing homosexuals, no matter how many "hate crimes" laws are passed and no matter how many Supreme Court decisions support homosexuality as a legitimate and Constitutionally protected lifestyle, it alters not the fact that God will condemn the unrepentant homosexual. We should do our best to obey the laws of the land, but when the law of the land is in direct conflict with the Law of God, our choice is clear:

" "We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name(Jesus), and yet, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and intend to bring this man's blood upon us." But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men. (Acts 5:28-29).

84 posted on 07/13/2003 3:51:56 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: PurVirgo
You made it sound as if Jesus said this as a prohibition against recognizing the faults of others. In reality Jesus was speaking against passing judgement in a spirit of arrogance and being forgetful of your own faults.

For example...if I were a sodomite...why would I condemn other sodomites when I too was involved in the same behavior.

85 posted on 07/13/2003 3:53:23 PM PDT by I got the rope
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Oops...

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86 posted on 07/13/2003 3:55:33 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: apackof2
I think this gay marriage thing may actually cause some type of civil war. If taxes are spent to fund homosexual civil unions in anyway, I can see people protesting the government outright by with holding taxes and other protest. Homosexuality slaps religion in the face, and state sponsorship is an attack on religion, that would trigger a backlash as like 1850s pre civil war era where politicians were afraid to breathe. Or perhaps this is the environment of the late 1820’s during the SCOTUS revolution of Marshall…it certainly feels that the SC believes it is the sole arbitrator of the law. I’m pretty moderate and the gays are pissing me off, so I don’t know what less tempered folks are thinking..

from:http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States Marshall delivered a number of opinions that they found uncongenial, strengthening the Judicial branch at the expense of the Executive branch and asserting the Court's monopoly on the interpretation of the Constitution

87 posted on 07/13/2003 4:42:33 PM PDT by Porterville (I support US total global, world domination; how's that for sensitive??)
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To: viaveritasvita
because salvation is a personal choice. Besides, yelling and screaming may indeed reinforce their beliefs, turn them away when in fact that is not what we should want.

Don't you think it's presumptuous to beleive that you can save another man's soul? We can only show him the way - he alone must decide

88 posted on 07/13/2003 5:02:00 PM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: PurVirgo
I don't think the gays care anymore, they've been so brain washed by the media some are actually seeking out the HIV virus... Maybe they need to be yelled at, I sure would hope someone would yell at me if I was heading for a cliff rather than worrying about making me cry, hell if I'm heading for a cliff, I'd hope to be shot in the leg and become lame, rather than fall on the jagged rocks covered in seagull crap below.
89 posted on 07/13/2003 5:09:40 PM PDT by Porterville (J Marshall asserted the Court's monopoly on the interpretation of the Constitution, may he burn)
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To: sweetliberty
so I don't see what the problem is. Clearly, you endeavor to obey His word, as do I. That's all that matters.

I don't mean this to sound callous, but that's it in a nutshell. All I can be is an example. I cannot save another man's soul, I can only lead him to the Truth. And even when he finds the Truth, it is by his choice.

But I still feel that homosexuality is not a choice.

THe fact that is recurs through generations, even with "enforced sterility", leads me to beleive that way.

90 posted on 07/13/2003 5:11:58 PM PDT by PurVirgo
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To: I got the rope
I never said that. Sure we recognize other peoples faults, but I don't think He wants us to judge them for it. See, when I'm judging you, I'm obviously not looking at my own faults. However, when I see a shortcoming in another person, then I must examine myself so that I don't have to be that way. People can be axamples, either positive or negative. Just as I learn from people how to act, I also learn from others how not to act. *LOL* My endeavor is to be a positive one, though.
91 posted on 07/13/2003 5:17:41 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: Porterville
Why would they seek out HIV??

*befuddled look*

92 posted on 07/13/2003 5:19:37 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: PurVirgo
"THe fact that is recurs through generations, even with "enforced sterility", leads me to beleive that way."

So do drunkeness and incest. Doesn't make them God given either.

93 posted on 07/13/2003 5:24:35 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
=) I can see that neither of us will give an inch on this subject. But that's okay. I've been there though, watching another person struggle with his sexuality. It's heartbreaking to see the internal struggle. What convinced me was that when he accepted his homosexuality, he was a new person. His confidence came back and most of his friends were still by his side. His family, well... they are back in his life now, after a few years of estrangement.
94 posted on 07/13/2003 5:33:37 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: PurVirgo
"Why would they seek out HIV??"

Good question. Obvious answer: they're self-destructive.

Thousands purposefully seek AIDS each year, SF doctor says

95 posted on 07/13/2003 5:38:17 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: PurVirgo
Well, now we're getting into some deep theological questions -- whether salvation comes only through the work of the Holy Spirit (i.e. Calvinism, the elect) or whether we have some part in it (i.e. Armininism, we decide to repent) or whether there's some sort of cooperation. Free will or God's sovereignty/omniscience? Too much for a discussion in this forum, I think.

I hope I didn't give you the impression that I believe humans can "save." I don't believe that. I do believe, however, that the great commission requires us to preach the Gospel of Christ to the world. I believe that God is equally a God of holiness, justice, and love. (Yelling and screaming may just be a difference of approach and is not always necessary -- in the case of the burning building, you could, of course, just knock politely on the door and state quietly that the building is burning, perhaps you should get out.)

Here's what I believe in accordance with my study of the Bible. You may disagree with my approach.....

SODOMY IS A SIN AGAINST A HOLY GOD. IT'S AN ABOMINATION, UNNATURAL, AND PERVERTED. IT HAS BROUGHT DOWN NATIONS (ROME, GREECE, SODOM AND GOMORRAH, TO NAME A FEW) AND WILL BRING OURS DOWN IF WE DON'T STAND UP AGAINST IT.

If you are a sodomite (I don't necessarily mean you, purvirgo), I urge you to turn from this "lifestyle" and humble yourself, asking God to forgive you. If you refuse, don't flaunt your sin in front of me; stay away from my children; don't ask me to accept it; don't expect me to give you a pass or sanction it through the law/public schools/media/etc.

The Word of God is a red hot iron when it comes up against our treasured sins.

The choice is yours.

By the way, your screen name is interesting...I'm assuming you are announcing that you're a Virgo. Do you believe in astrology?
96 posted on 07/13/2003 5:38:27 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: PurVirgo
It is a different world...

From: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/printer_friendly.asp?nid=17380

Bug Chasers

The men who long to be HIV+

Carlos nonchalantly asks whether his drink was made with whole or skim milk. He takes a moment to slurp on his grande Caffe Mocha in a crowded Starbucks, and then he gets back to explaining how much he wants HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. His eyes light up as he says that the actual moment of transmission, the instant he gets HIV, will be "the most erotic thing I can imagine." He seems like a typical thirty-two-year-old man, but, in fact, he has a secret life. Carlos is chasing the bug.

"I know what the risks are, and I know that putting myself in this situation is like putting a gun to my head," he says. Some of that mountain music that's so popular is playing, making the moment even more surreal as a Southern voice sings, "Keep on the sunny side of life" behind Carlos. "But I think it turns the other guy on to know that I'm negative and that they're bringing me into the brotherhood. That gets me off, too..... Click here for rest of article

97 posted on 07/13/2003 5:41:00 PM PDT by Porterville (J Marshall asserted the Court's monopoly on the interpretation of the Constitution, may he burn)
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To: PurVirgo
I had a friend quite a few years ago who was a lesbian. She was a member of our church and in a live-in relationship with another woman. She wanted to be a priest and came to the point where she broke off her relationship with her "partner" because she came to the conclusion that God condemned the practice of homosexuality. Her and I talked at some length about it. She still firmly believed that God had "made her that way" though she couldn't understand it, but also recognized acting on her inclinations to be a sin. It was a constant struggle for her, but she opted for celibacy rather than follow her desire to do what she knew to be wrong OR to seek to be heterosexual. I can't judge whether that is an acceptable option or not. That is ultimately between a person and God. But at least she confronted the issue rather than try to excuse wrong behavior by claiming "God made me this way."
98 posted on 07/13/2003 5:47:17 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: viaveritasvita; Admin Moderator
I agree with you everywhere, except that homosexuality is not a choice.

On a lighter topic - yes I'm a virgo. Also a cat lover, hence the Pur. As for do I beleive in it, I dunno. I had a natal chart performed, and I have to tell you, a lot of the info pegs me to a T. Does it control my life? Doubtful. I think it explains tendencies, personality quarks and the like. WHat about you?

99 posted on 07/13/2003 5:48:22 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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To: Admin Moderator
I forgot to thank you for keeping this thread and our comments. It's important that we are allowed to discuss our differences openly.
100 posted on 07/13/2003 5:51:00 PM PDT by PurVirgo (Never fault a pig for having a shorter neck than a girrafe)
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