Posted on 07/31/2003 5:17:00 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
A Muslim reservist airman is bringing a test case against the Ministry of Defence, after he was disciplined for refusing to take part in the Iraq war.
He is appealing on the grounds that his faith forbids him from fighting other muslims.
Moshin Khan from RAF Suffolk was called up earlier this year but failed to turn up. He was charged with going absent without leave.
His lawyers will argue that the European convention on human rights gives everyone the right to freedom of religious belief - including military personnel.
He is not the only person to have refused to serve in Iraq. Two other British servicemen, a private and an air technician from 16 Air Assault Brigade, were sent home from the Gulf after refusing to fight.
But they refused to fight for moral reasons and not religious ones.
In previous conflicts, conscientious objectors in the armed services have been jailed for refusing to fight.
Khan was arrested by Suffolk police after going absent without leave in February.
He had reported for training but then decided he could not fight and went into hiding. Police handed him over to RAF investigators.
LOL!!!!
Another cool thing is when moderate Muslims claim all of Mohamed's wars were defensive. Which is such a lie. Islam expanded at breakneck speed under the so called prophet and immediately afterwards under the caliphs. Most of the Middle East was subjugated by bloody Islamic Jihad within 150 years of the birth of Muhammad. Islam was a cover for Arab imperialism. Still is to an extent. Arabs consider themselves the only real Muslims. And that you haven't actually read the Koran until you have read it in an ancient scholastic Arab that even today's Arabs can't understand.
This is where they get manipulated by Jihadist mulllahs and preachers who have.
Just take a look at the Iran/Iraq with a million Muslims killed by Muslims.
Iraqi regime was secularist.
Or Hama Syria where dictator Hafez Assad slaughtered 20,000 Muslims in 1982
Assad was not a regular Muslim, he was an Alawite. Also he was a BAATH party leader which has program of secularization and westernization (like Ataturk followers or Iraqi BAATH).
Syrian regime is not Islamic and Christians have a good position in the society (as they used to have in Iraq before US intervention).
Sure, many moderate Muslims say such things. Many are apologists and even cultural chauvinists. Others are much more critical of their own traditions. Some are even nonpracticing muslims, secularists, ex-muslims or out-right atheists. Point is there is a whole range of what comprised "moderate muslims". It's much like anti-Communist dissidents during the cold war. If Andrei Sakharov had lived in New York City he would have been a liberal if not a hard leftist, and would have voted for Kerry if alive today. But the didn't. He was on our side and a valuable ally against our enemy.
Freepers wouldn't be so stupid as to piss all over allies then, but they sure do now.
I will steal it if you do not mind.
You mean "moderately Muslim"?
"Moderate" Muslims should more accurately be called "moderately" Muslim...
So they only slice half-way through your throat?
Partial lie. Islam forbids a Muslim from fighting another Muslim ON THE SIDE OF A NON-MUSLIM
LOL, you bad...LOL
You are correct in that I over generalized. But you can find moderate Muslim spokesmen all the time who will claim their prophet fought only defensive wars. And thanks God that today there are many ex-Muslims and apostates and truthful Muslims who aren't afraid to expose the dark side of the Koran. The dark side of the Mohammed they claim is the perfect example for all mankind to emulate.
You can say all that about the leaders and regimes of Syria, Iran and Iraq but the men who died in these conflicts called themselves Muslims and lived in Muslim cultures.
Actually such rule makes a lot of sense. Christian soliders from NATO countries should not have fought against Serbs on the side of Albanian and Bosnian Muslims.
What country do these ex-muslims, apostates, and truthful muslims who aren't afraid to expose the dark side of the koran live in?
Hello! This is a war we're engaged in here. It's every bit as serious as the nearly century long war we fought against communism. It's little short of infantile to focus on matters of "sympathy". I had much more "sympathy" for Solzhenitsyn and Walensa, for instance, than I did for Sakharov or Marshal Tito, but that doesn't mean I would undercut by minimizing and even negating the laters' differences with Soviet Russia.
You can stick to your fantasies of wiping out or mass converting a billion muslims. I want to win. The best way to do that (second to killing terrorists) is to undercut their ideology. You're essentially (hell, literally) saying that their ideology is the CORRECT and OBVIOUS one for every serious and pious Muslim. I, OTOH, want ever voice challenging that claim (from whatever direction or motive) to be amplified.
I will not sympathize with them.
Are you sure you read my post right?
No, you don't have to steal it; I will freely share it with you.
Now to be fair, Muslims have sided with non-Muslims against their fellow Muslims: there are Bedouins in the Israeli army and some Muslim Algerians were loyal to France during Algerian war of independence. But, again, this is contrary to Islamic law. The Muslim religion is virulently hostile to non-Muslims.
Saddam is a Muslim. He appeals to Islam and calls himself a Muslim and calls for Muslims to defend him and even had a "holy" Koran writen in his blood.
Not only that, but he fits the bloodthirsty mentality and spirituality of a Muslim.
Hello,
Since I'm a full-time student, I am unable to keep up with this forum. This will be my last posting. I wish you all the best and pray that God brings love and mercy into each of your lives. I leave you with this quote from the Quran and hope that you will be fair to your own minds and at least read the very book that you seem to think you know everything about.
"Not all of them are alike: of the People of the book (Christians, Jews, Sabians) are a portion that stand (for the right); they rehearse the signs of Allah all night long and then prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong; and they (hasten in emulation) in (all) good works; they are in the ranks of the righteous.
Of the good that they do nothing will be rejected of them; for God knoweth well those that do right. Those who reject faith neither their possessions nor their (numerous) progeny will avail them aught against God; they will be companions of the fire dwelling therein (for ever). What they spend in the life of this (material) world may be likened to a wind which brings a nipping frost: it strikes and destroys the harvest of men who have wronged their own souls; it is not God that hath wronged them but they wrong themselves." (Quran, 3:113-117)
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