MEASURABLE 14C IN FOSSILIZED ORGANIC MATERIALS: CONFIRMING THE YOUNG EARTH CREATION-FLOOD MODEL

http://www.icr.org/research/icc03/pdf/RATE_ICC_Baumgardner.pdf ^

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[Lurking Libertarian]

Do you realize that creationists simply believe the existence of a transcendent intellect is more plausible than life arising from nonlife?

Whereas evolutionists believe life arising from nonlife is more plausible than the existence of a transcendent intellect.

The belief in abiogenesis-- the rise of life from non-life-- is not, strictly speaking, part of the theory of evolution, which deals only with the development of different species once life was already in existence. Most atheistic evolutionists do, in fact, believe in abiogenesis, but theistic evolutionists do not. Indeed, Darwin, in the last paragraph of The Origin of Species, spoke about evolution producing myriad species once "life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one."

Creationists, on the other hand, believe in much more than a transcendent intelligence creating the first life; as the term is normally used in these debates, a "creationist" is one who believes in a hyper-literal interpretation of the first chapter of Genesis, something which defies numerous scientific findings and observations.

[Elsie]

...something which defies numerous scientific findings and observations.

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The QUOTES must have fallen off.

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...something which defies numerous scientific "findings" and "observations".

[Elsie]

Darwin, in the last paragraph of The Origin of Species, spoke about evolution producing myriad species once "life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one."

If you look into Genesis, and 'Hyper' it, you'll find that only ONE 'specie' got BREATHED into!

Genesis 2:7
...the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Genesis 1:30
And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

[headsonpikes]

"Ping me if you start that thread."

Thanks!

Not close yet, but cloSER. ;^)

[ImaGraftedBranch]

To human eyes, too much of light
Is blinding as the blackest night.
And this is so, too, of the mind,
In total ignorance it's blind.
But more truth than it can absorb
Will overwhelm the mental orb.
So, lest our vision burn to ashes
God shows us truth in bits and flashes,
White revelations that the brain
Can comprehend and yet stay sane.
And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon
Who scarce can bear its crescent moon.
  -- "White Revelations," by Georgia Starbuck Galbraith.

[ImaGraftedBranch]

To human eyes, too much of light
Is blinding as the blackest night.
And this is so, too, of the mind,
In total ignorance it's blind.
But more truth than it can absorb
Will overwhelm the mental orb.
So, lest our vision burn to ashes
God shows us truth in bits and flashes,
White revelations that the brain
Can comprehend and yet stay sane.
And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon
Who scarce can bear its crescent moon.
  -- "White Revelations," by Georgia Starbuck Galbraith.

[BiffWondercat]

Even that is hard sometimes. I saw years ago a documentary on a girl who was born anencephalic (sic) beyond belief - the scans showed you could fit a softball into her head easily. Most of her brain was compessed to 1/2" around the skull. Yet she became an honor student if memory serves and was a fully functional person.

Amazing that the brain could be so pliable and adaptable.
Most cases don't end that fortunately.

[BiffWondercat]

3,500 years ago, a small lake was separated from Lake Victoria by a sandbar. There are now five species endemic to the new lake; they have evolved from the original species in a geological instant (McGowan, 1984, 29). A population of Nereis acuminata that was isolated in 1964 was no longer able to interbreed with its ancestors by 1992 (Weinberg et al., 1992). New species certainly can emerge quickly.

[BiffWondercat]

Perhaps telomerase simply worked better back then?

[BiffWondercat]

I have forgotten my photosynthesis along with the Krebb's Cycle. Doesn't the molecular configuration require UV to force the electrons around? (Trying to learn something)

[BiffWondercat]

I was wondering about that myself. Well that and the precambrian rock circles that I find quite facinating.

[BiffWondercat]

With somewhere between 2 and 100 million species estimated, that is one big boat!

[BiffWondercat]

I still have to grasp the Bose-Einstein Condensate thing, but I can kinda follow you. Right up to the point of Quantum teleportation and what not.

Regardless of "who is right" the universe is a wonderous place which I enjoy on a daily basis!

[PatrickHenry]

This thread kinda died a month ago. I hate to see you posting away where no one will find you.

[BiffWondercat]

I was supposed to sign something?

[Merdoug]

What amazes and saddens me is that, after 50,000 years, Man is still the primative superstitious animal that he began as. Our fear of death has invented a "father" that will comfort us after we leave this world and give us an afterlife of joy which we cannot achieve on this brutal cruel time here on Earth. It's hard to accept and it's frightening: we are here but a short time, and nothing is after death. But that is Life. The truth is harder to accept than a "magic man in the sky", but I'd rather live in reality than in fantasy.

[BiffWondercat]

Good job on the sheilding! I can believe that sucker went through so much.

Wait waits on Europa? I read that the probe was purposely driven into Jupiter to avoid contamination? If we Find nucleic acids or (Whoa!) life on it, will it be blamed on chunks from the probe?

[BiffWondercat]

Since our kindness leads us to do great efforts in preserving life, could it not be said that we are a part of evolution? Type-1 diabetes, Hemophillia, Sickle-Cell and many other diseases are now manageable. Survival of the fittest does not seem to apply when we find treatments that allow these people to not only survive but pass on a gene that is "not fit". If one had a protected environment, would that possibly lead to "survival of the unfit?"

[BiffWondercat]

I've seen overlapped bristle-coned pines far old that that.
I found the stumps that showed up on the PN beaches a few years back interesting as well.

My near ancestors where digging up copper before that.

[BiffWondercat]

What about the walking catfish in Florida? Or is that Urban Legend? Strange that Mudskippers and catfish could walk is it not? Why would a fish walk up in someones backyard to eat their dogfood?