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[Laura Schlessinger] Dr. Laura Renounces Jewish Orthodoxy
religionnewsblog.com ^ | 08/13/2003 | LISA KEYS

Posted on 08/15/2003 5:10:35 PM PDT by Destro

[Laura Schlessinger] Dr. Laura Renounces Jewish Orthodoxy

Item 3999 • Posted: 08/13/2003 • Weblogged by Religion News Blog

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Forward, Aug. 15, 2003

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By LISA KEYS, FORWARD STAFF

With 12 million Americans tuning in daily, controversial syndicated radio- show host Laura Schlessinger — known to all as "Dr. Laura" — is arguably the best-known Orthodox Jew in the United States.

Rather, she was.

In a little-noticed pronouncement, Schlessinger — who very publicly converted to Judaism five years ago — opened her radio show, "The Dr. Laura Schlessinger Program," with the revelation that she will no longer practice Judaism. Although Schlessinger says she still "considers" herself Jewish, "My identifying with this entity and my fulfilling the rituals, etcetera, of the entity — that has ended."

And with that, Orthodox Judaism lost its loudest mouthpiece and its most prominent "rabbi," as it were, with the largest American pulpit — with the exception of, perhaps, presidential candidate Joseph Lieberman.

Syndicated nationally since 1994, Schlessinger has won over listeners with her hard-edged advice and razor-sharp tongue. Yet her brash style, not to mention her espousal of a strict "moral health" code — including controversial condemnations of homosexuality as "a biological error" — put her at odds with wide swaths of the Jewish community. Many found her moralist, black-and-white, you're-with-me-or-against-me stance more representative of evangelical Christians than of Jews, who were often among her most outspoken critics.

Nonetheless, even Schlessinger's detractors were shocked by the news. "I can't tell you how significant this is," said fellow Jewish media star and "Kosher Sex" author Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, who has sparred with Schlessinger over her comments on homosexuality. "Dr. Laura always equated her morals and ethics with Jewish morals and ethics. That placed the American Jewish community in a real fix; on the one hand, she made Judaism very popular, on the other, she made it vilified and hated by many people."

"I think Judaism is better off not being saddled and directly associated with Dr. Laura's means," he said, adding, "although she is still a Jew."

Schlessinger began her program last Tuesday by noting that, prior to each broadcast, she spends an hour reading faxes from fans and listeners. "By and large the faxes from Christians have been very loving, very supportive," she said. "From my own religion, I have either gotten nothing, which is 99% of it, or two of the nastiest letters I have gotten in a long time. I guess that's my point — I don't get much back. Not much warmth coming back."

Schlessinger even hinted at a possible turn to Christianity — a move that, radio insiders say, would elevate her career far beyond the 300 stations that currently syndicate her show. "I have envied all my Christian friends who really, universally, deeply feel loved by God," she said. "They use the name Jesus when they refer to God... that was a mystery, being connected to God."

In her 25 years on radio, Schlessinger said she was moved "time and time again" by listeners who wrote and described that they had "joined a church, felt loved by God and that was my anchor."

Michael Medved, a conservative, nationally syndicated, radio talk-show host, celebrated the Sabbath with Schlessinger about a year ago. "We had talked about having Shabbat again," he said. When he heard of Schlessinger's defection, "My first response was to pick up the phone and try and expedite [the visit]."

"I think it's a shame," he said. "Though, of course, she was controversial in some eyes, she is one of the most admired women in America. Having the most admired woman in America speak joyously about Passover, Shabbat and Jewish lifestyle events — all of that was quite wonderful."

Of her conversion to Judaism, "I felt that I was putting out a tremendous amount toward that mission, that end, and not feeling return, not feeling connected, not feeling that inspired," Schlessinger said. "Trust me, I've talked to rabbis, I've read, I've prayed, I've agonized and I came to this place anyway — which is not exactly back to the beginning, but more in that direction than not."

"Was Laura naive to think, 'gosh, I'll be the queen of the Jews?' Yes, she was naive," said Medved. "Part of that comes from not growing up in the Jewish community. It's so rare to find a celebrity embrace of Jewish religiosity of any kind, I can see why Laura would think her very public embrace would have led to a more enthusiastic reaction. But given all the crosscurrents and controversies that divide our community, I can see why that expectation was wrong."

In 2001, despite the controversy surrounding her, the National Council of Young Israel honored Schlessinger for her "traditional American values." Rabbi Pesach Lerner, the executive director of Young Israel, was surprised by Schlessinger's defection but declined to comment on it.

Born to a Jewish father and an Italian Catholic mother, Schlessinger was raised in Brooklyn in a home that was without religion. Approximately 10 years ago, prompted by a question from her son during a viewing of a Holocaust documentary, Schlessinger, 56, began exploring her Jewish roots.

Yet last week's revelation was far from the first time Schlessinger has been wracked with religious doubts. Lacking a religious background, she has spent a lifetime searching for that missing something, and "each thing I tried left me feeling empty," she told Philadelphia's Inside magazine in 1998. Having already undergone a Conservative conversion in 1997, after a debacle with the Jewish Federation of Greater Dallas — a now-legendary affair in which she allegedly rejected three hotel suites, wouldn't ride in taxis and offended the entire audience at a $500 plate fundraiser — Schlessinger was tempted to give up on Judaism completely, but decided to undergo an Orthodox conversion instead.

"A large part of me wanted to make a statement after that experience, to stand even taller about Jewish values," she told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency in 2001. "Besides, if you don't have an Orthodox conversion, you can't get buried in Israel. I want to be close to ground zero."

Rabbi Reuven Bulka, a fellow radio host who presided over Schlessinger's Orthodox conversion, said he was "stunned" by his friend's 180-degree turn. "It didn't make my day, shall we say."

"She obviously has a tremendous impact," said the congregational rabbi from Ottawa, Ont. "When she went through the evolutionary stage of her journey, a lot of people were inspired by her own excitement about it. I can't tell you I know 100 people who became Sabbath observant because of it, but certainly it was a feel-good message for a lot of people. That these feel-good messages won't be coming anymore is certainly a loss."

Other Jews within earshot are far from sad to see her go. "I don't think this is any great loss to the Jewish universe," said Susan Weidman Schneider, the executive editor of Lilith magazine. "I don't think she was a particularly effective or useful spokesperson. She doubtless alienated more people than she drew toward Judaism."

"So, let her say she's no longer a practicing Jew," she added. "Let her be just a garden variety, anti-choice conservative."

"I still see myself as a Jew," Schlessinger said on the air last week. "But the spiritual journey and that direction, as hardcore as I was at it, just didn't fulfill something in me that I needed."

"All I know is, in my experiences with her — which have been considerable — I haven't known her to do anything less than 100%," Bulka said. "Anything she did, she did fully. The scary thing is if she said she's leaving, it's very forboding."

"I thought she was a tough little lady — I didn't think she'd chicken out so easily," said Rabbi Isaac Levy, the chairman of Jews for Morality, who has staunchly supported Schlessinger's conservative agenda. "She's gotten a couple of kicks in the chin and she's succumbed to it."

"It seems incredible that an ethicist and moralist of her standing would invoke such shallow arguments," said Boteach, who was en route to an appearance on the titillating syndicated television show "Blind Date." "I never got great applause from my work from the Jewish community — but my people are my people, whether they love or hate me."


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KEYWORDS: drlaura; jewishorthodoxy; lauraschlessinger; spiritualjourney
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To: exodus
Well of course religions are not composed of saints. Neither are atheists (which include Stalinists, as well as more peaceful Objectivists and libertarians).

Of course all human institutions, religious and secular, are prone to error, evil, and even violence. Duh!

101 posted on 08/16/2003 5:13:19 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: McGavin999
Excuse me, but I must beg to differ with you here. My faith teaches that Christ dies for our sins and that it was the will of God. If that is the case it's hardly right to say he was killed by the Jews. He happened to be Jewish himself, he was born a Jew and he died a Jew. The men involved were merely bending to God's will. If you remember, the night before he was taken he asked God to take away this bitter cup. It was not to be. Therefore, everyone played their parts exactly as God wished. Be mad at the particular priests, not an entire people.

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I agree, McGavin999; except that it wasn't Jewish priests, it was Jewish politicians who also were priests, corrupt politicians, who were collaborating with their Roman masters.

Come on, people. Can't anyone read here??

Jesus was not killed by the Jewish people.

Still, lots of Christians have been taught that the Jews killed Jesus.

102 posted on 08/16/2003 5:14:59 PM PDT by exodus
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To: dennisw
Exodus: She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ......

Dum dum dum and dumb enough to let your true feelings show. Thanks for the non-wisdom.

I don't think Exodus, or anyone here, said the Jews killed Christ. Exodus put it in quotes, implying he didn't endorse that view.

103 posted on 08/16/2003 5:15:52 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Lizavetta
She likes to chide her listeners about "shacking up"...


At least she's talking from experience.


Are we all disallowed from lecturing our kids on sex and drugs if we ourselves engaged in them?


No, I would rather be lectured by someone who has children than a person who never had any and tell you how to raise them.
104 posted on 08/16/2003 5:15:55 PM PDT by Chantal
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To: Commie Basher
Well of course religions are not composed of saints. Neither are atheists...Of course all human institutions, religious and secular, are prone to error, evil, and even violence. Duh!

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Duh! indeed.

That should be easy to understand.

105 posted on 08/16/2003 5:17:45 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Catspaw
Why would she decide to reject her religion?

Many people think that religion is a crutch. Churches are not for good people, they are for sinners.
106 posted on 08/16/2003 5:23:45 PM PDT by Chantal
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To: Commie Basher
Well of course religions are not composed of saints. Neither are atheists (which include Stalinists, as well as more peaceful Objectivists and libertarians).

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I'm a libertarian, Commie Basher. I'm also a Christian.

Political belief doesn't determine religious belief. Believe it or not, there are conservative Republicans who don't believe in God, and communists who do believe in God.

Our Founding Fathers were libertarian, and I don't think anyone would ever accuse them of being atheists.

107 posted on 08/16/2003 5:23:59 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Commie Basher; dennisw
To: dennisw
I don't think Exodus, or anyone here, said the Jews killed Christ. Exodus put it in quotes, implying he didn't endorse that view.

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Thank you, Commie Basher.

108 posted on 08/16/2003 5:26:18 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Salman
exodus - You think that Dr. Laura chose to be Jewish to increase her fan base?! Dr. Laura chose the Jewish religion while working in a Christian nation. She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ. That took moral courage. Her choice of Judism demonstrates that she uses neither political nor monetary considerations in her search for truth. She's an honorable lady.
Salman - All of the professed Christians that I know, don't "know" anything of the kind. Or at least don't hold it against me. I'm Jewish, by the way...

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As you say, Salman, some Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ, but they don't hold it against you personally.

If they would actually read the Bible, they would know that Jews were the Christians in the early years of the faith. Christianity was just a "cult" denomination of the Jewish faith, according to the Romans.

Corrupt politicians killed Jesus. The Jewish people, the "multitudes," loved Jesus. They cheered his entry into Jerusalem, and caused the politicians to fear loosing power to the upstart from Nazareth.

109 posted on 08/16/2003 5:46:41 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Salman
Salman - Nearly all the anti-Jewish stuff that I see comes from the non-Christian left, including sad to say, some Jews. The rest is from a few left over Ku Kluxers and the like. OK those guys claim to be Christians, but Christians in general don't think they are. It's forbidden in Jewish law to question the sincerity of a convert. Is it also forbidden to question the former sincerity of an ex-convert? According to some Orthodox authorities, she's still Jewish according to Jewish law. She can be an apostate, but can't go back to being a Gentile. Now I'm not sure I buy into that, but I submit it for your consideration as a possible position you might not have been aware of. I don't think she converted for political power or money, but her disappointment with the lack of touchy-feely-ness causes me to raise an eyebrow.

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It was just a few years ago that the Pope finally officially declared that the Jews could no longer be blamed for Jesus's death. The belief in Jewish guilt by Christians is still widespread, but it is of course not "Politically Correct" to mention that belief in public.

As for the Ku Kluxers who "claim" to be Christian, as far as I'm concerned, if they claim to be a Christian they are a Christian. It's not my place to judge the sincerity of their belief.

In regard to Dr. Laura, I would never question that she is a Jew; she said she's a Jew, so she is a Jew. Here on this thread, I was defending her right to define her own belief in God. It's not our place to tell her what to believe.

As to Dr. Laura's "lack of touchy-feely" feedback from her audience, that was just carping on Dr. Laura's part. From my reading of the article it had nothing to do with her decision to stop active participation in the Jewish religion. I understood that she didn't feel fulfilled by her belief in the rightness of the Jewish faith, that she still had questions about God that weren't being answered, and that she was considering looking into the Christian religion to see if it has those answers.

I consider her very brave for conducting her search for truth in public this way. It might not be very smart business-wise, but it is without doubt completely honest.

110 posted on 08/16/2003 6:05:25 PM PDT by exodus
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To: farmer18th
Theoretical religion is the arena of pastors and rabbis. Applied religion is the arena of the faithful. She probably saw the real thing in those letters///////

Yes she would go where the water is warmer.


111 posted on 08/16/2003 6:35:18 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Destro
When speaking of His life, and death, Jesus said: No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and to take it up again. This command I received from my Father. John 10:18.
112 posted on 08/16/2003 6:37:36 PM PDT by keats5
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To: exodus
The answer is that religions are not composed of saints, they're made up of ordinary people who sometimes get carried away by their beliefs
 
 
Here you might find that a certain "religion" is composed of "saints."
 
A "saint" is a sanctified person.

113 posted on 08/16/2003 7:20:45 PM PDT by Radix
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To: Radix
By that definition, I am a saint too, Radix.
114 posted on 08/16/2003 7:44:46 PM PDT by exodus
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To: dennisw
Yes she would go where the water is warmer.

As a rule, I avoid going where the water is warmer. I know how it got that way ;) (I also avoid bubbly water).

115 posted on 08/16/2003 7:46:45 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: dennisw; farmer18th
farmer18th - Theoretical religion is the arena of pastors and rabbis. Applied religion is the arena of the faithful. (Dr. Laura) probably saw the real thing in those letters
dennisw - Yes (Dr. Laura) would go where the water is warmer.

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Theoretical religion is not the exclusive provence of religious leaders, farmer18th. I study the theoretical basis of religion on my own, and if I decide a point in a certain way, no "leader" is going to change my mind based upon his authority to proclaim the truth. He'd better be able to show me why his understanding is better than mine.

Also, applied religion is not exclusively the arena of the faithful (followers). If that teacher doesn't apply religion in his own life, he isn't worthy of his title.

dennisw, of course Dr. Laura will leave Judism, "go where the water is warmer," if she finds a different religion has more truth to offer. Anyone would, except those hypocrites who don't believe anyway, those who just mouth the correct words to fit in with their friends, or to gain money and power.

116 posted on 08/16/2003 8:07:44 PM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
Corrupt politicians killed Jesus...

This is correct. Why the venom?

117 posted on 08/16/2003 8:09:13 PM PDT by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: Salman
Why the venom?

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I don't understand your question, Salman.

118 posted on 08/16/2003 8:12:13 PM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
I'm a libertarian, Commie Basher. I'm also a Christian. Political belief doesn't determine religious belief. Believe it or not, there are conservative Republicans who don't believe in God, and communists who do believe in God.

I'm well aware of all of the above. Even so, a disproportionately large number of librtarians are also atheists. It's partly due to the historic roots of the recent (past 30 years) libertarian movement, which was led or influenced by secular/atheistic Jews (e.g., Murray Rothbard, and the Objectivist influence of Rand, the Brandons, Piekoff), and less so by secular/atheistic Catholics (Jerome Tuccille). Karl Hess (a Protestant?) was also not much into religion.

Of course there are "Bible-believing Christian" libertarians, but they are relatively latecomers to modern libertarianism.

Our Founding Fathers were libertarian, and I don't think anyone would ever accuse them of being atheists.

Oh, you'd find disagreement on both scores. Not everyone would call them libertarians, and many of them were deists, which some contend was a cover for atheists. I've also heard Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and Tom Paine accused of atheism, although I'm not sure how accurately.

119 posted on 08/16/2003 8:23:04 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Commie Basher
exodus - Our Founding Fathers were libertarian, and I don't think anyone would ever accuse them of being atheists.
Commie Basher - Oh, you'd find disagreement on both scores. Not everyone would call them libertarians, and many of them were deists, which some contend was a cover for atheists. I've also heard Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and Tom Paine accused of atheism, although I'm not sure how accurately.

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All I've read about deists says that even if they weren't mainstream Christians, they certainly weren't atheists. They believed in God.

Ben Franklin called himself a Christian, but he noted that he had serious problems accepting that Jesus and God were the same person. I share his skepticism on that point, but I am a Christian just the same.

My requirement for the title "libertarian" is a belief in the Rights of Men, and in the Rule of Law. Our Founders qualify.

120 posted on 08/16/2003 8:39:17 PM PDT by exodus
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To: veronica
"While I always defending her right to express her views, I have also always found Dr. Laura to be a preachy, judgemental shrew. Now it turns out she is a hypocrite on many levels.

She preaches family values, but ends up having posed nude, to say nothing of letting her mother die alone in an apartment, rotting away for weeks, undiscovered.

Now we find out her religious beliefs are paper-thin, and she' shopping for another way. She's a phoney."

Doesn't calling someone "judgemental" and they being judgemental about them make you a hypocrite?
Which is funny because you also declared her a hypocrite.

121 posted on 08/16/2003 9:22:31 PM PDT by TXFireman
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To: Destro
That is more than I can say for your posts. At least you remember reading mine.

I'd rather be unremembered than remembered as a dingbat.
122 posted on 08/16/2003 9:36:19 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: Destro
"So, let her say she's no longer a practicing Jew," she [Schneider of 'Lilith' magazine]added. "Let her be just a garden variety, anti-choice conservative."

That's why they hate her. She's pro-life. That's what it's all about.

It's why they hate Bush too.

In fact, being pro-abortion is so central to the lives of most liberals, Jewish or not, that it's what EVERYTHING is about; it's the ulterior motive in all they do, from protesting the appointment of conservative judges to opposing the war against terrorism.

123 posted on 08/16/2003 9:40:35 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: Catspaw
Oh gee, you are here. What a friggin' surprise.
124 posted on 08/16/2003 9:46:27 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: RLK
He's always here to play games.
125 posted on 08/16/2003 9:46:44 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: veronica
Oh, so you apparently don't believe you have the true religion?

Then you are pathetic.
126 posted on 08/16/2003 9:49:43 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: lelio
Shut up and think of some intelligent questions.
127 posted on 08/16/2003 9:52:41 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: veronica
Sorry, she can't heal herself, and neither can you. You and her need the Great Physician.
128 posted on 08/16/2003 9:55:09 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: exodus
Everyone killed Christ, including myself, though it is not common to truly realize that....we all had a hand in it.
129 posted on 08/16/2003 9:59:00 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: McGavin999
Jesus is what's she's searching for.....the loving arms of Jesus. Knowing that someone DIED so that you may live is what she's searching for.
130 posted on 08/16/2003 10:01:00 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: exodus
The founding fathers were libertarian.

lol!!!!!!!!!

Stop me from laughing....this is the funniest thing I have heard all day!!!!!!!!

ROTFL!!!!

Oh you kill me with your humor.
131 posted on 08/16/2003 10:06:15 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: rwfromkansas
Well, I thought I was being serious. :)
132 posted on 08/16/2003 10:07:48 PM PDT by exodus
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To: TXFireman; veronica
Doesn't calling someone "judgemental" and then being judgemental about them make you a hypocrite?

Which is funny because you also declared her a hypocrite.

133 posted on 08/16/2003 10:08:07 PM PDT by TXFireman
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To: Daveinyork
You said that you Flinch when your brother mentions Jesus....Why do you do that...I think it's very telling...and I think you know why you do it....yu will come to grips with it someday....God Willing.

You are waitig at the bus stop, but the bus came 2000 years ago, and those people got to their destination.

How will you know when the bus comes AGAIN???

Your brother could help you.

134 posted on 08/16/2003 10:14:37 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: TXFireman; carenot
Hello, TXFireman.

It's been a while since I've seen you, I believe on the CHIEF murder threads.

135 posted on 08/16/2003 10:15:47 PM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
You are a saint according to the Bible.

Not the messed up modern usage of the term, but Biblically, you are if you are a believer.
136 posted on 08/16/2003 10:16:50 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: veronica
Veronica....she didn't LET her mother die alone.....her mother lived alone and they were estranged. It's not like she took away her food and water, shut off her electricity and phone and padlockd the door!!! Give it up...you don't like her, but she's going to find something VERY important to her...her salvation.
137 posted on 08/16/2003 10:17:46 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: exodus
You are no Christian if you don't accept who Jesus said he was: "I and the Father are one."

Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved exodus.
138 posted on 08/16/2003 10:18:32 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.collegemedianews.com *some interesting radio news reports here; check it out*)
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To: rwfromkansas
You are a saint according to the Bible. Not the messed up modern usage of the term, but Biblically, you are if you are a believer.

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Neat. I can't wait to tell my mother.

She'll be so proud of me!

139 posted on 08/16/2003 10:19:29 PM PDT by exodus
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To: veronica
Incomplete is a good word. Christianity is the completion of Judaism. That's why it's called the Leap of Faith. We have taken that next step.
140 posted on 08/16/2003 10:20:13 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: rwfromkansas
You are no Christian if you don't accept who Jesus said he was: "I and the Father are one." Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved exodus.

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I don't believe that Jesus and God are the same person.

I am saved regardless of that unimportant detail. I've accepted God into my life. That, and loving my neighbors as I love myself, is all that is required.

141 posted on 08/16/2003 10:23:00 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Ann Archy; veronica
To: veronica
Incomplete is a good word. Christianity is the completion of Judaism. That's why it's called the Leap of Faith. We have taken that next step.

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Judism is a complete religion. Jews are the chosen people of God. That was true in Jesus's time, and it's still true today. It has not changed.

142 posted on 08/16/2003 10:29:47 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Catspaw
>>How sad that she chooses to reject her religion by the faxes her fans and listeners send her. It would seem her committment--or lack thereof--to Judaism is predicated on her fan base.<<

She said nothing of the kind. She said plainly that her sincere practice of Judaism din't fulfill a need she had. She was quite clear about that.

You are on dangerous ground when you begin passing judgment on someone's deeply-held spiritual convictions.

143 posted on 08/16/2003 10:39:19 PM PDT by SerpentDove (Each post focus-group tested for maximum wallop.)
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To: bethelgrad
I agree. A tone of "grace" would be just what she needs.

I had to quit listening to her, because every time I did, I walked away depressed by what a rotten person I am.

There's a difference between conviction and condemnation.

;-)
144 posted on 08/16/2003 10:45:00 PM PDT by SerpentDove (Each post focus-group tested for maximum wallop.)
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To: Capriole
Frankly I have no idea what the answer is and I'm hoping Dr. Laura will tell us that it's actually okay to own Canadians.

I had a couple Canadians, but I traded them for a bass guitar and a scanner. They make good pets -- just keep 'em out of the sun and don't let 'em get drunk.

145 posted on 08/16/2003 10:49:12 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: farmer18th
Jesus, before His death and resurrection:

John 14: Let not your heart be troubled: believe in God, believe also in me.

In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I come again, and will receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

And whither I go, ye know the way.

Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; how know we the way?

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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;-)
146 posted on 08/16/2003 11:04:36 PM PDT by SerpentDove (Each post focus-group tested for maximum wallop.)
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To: exodus
You are still waiting for your Messiah, but how will you recognize him??? You have no record of linage from David.

Jews were the chosen people....that's the people God sent his only SON, Jesus to....to tell them the Good News of the Kingdom of heaven. "No one comes to ME unless the FATHER sends them."

Have you ever thought about the early Christians??? 10 out of the 11 apostles were martyred?? Beheaded....Crucified upside down...etc. Do you think these people followed Christ because it was EASY? They all saw it as the Prophets words coming to fulfillment...

147 posted on 08/16/2003 11:06:48 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: veronica
>>Her conversion sounds more like a career move than a deeply-felt religious experience. <<

Your posts on this thread have been brash, pompous, hateful and arrogant.

Never mind that you have no business presuming you can judge the spiritual condition of someone else. Have you considered common etiquette? It might really suit you.
148 posted on 08/16/2003 11:06:56 PM PDT by SerpentDove (Each post focus-group tested for maximum wallop.)
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To: shhrubbery!
Lilith magamize is a feminist attack on Judaism.
149 posted on 08/16/2003 11:42:17 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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150 posted on 08/16/2003 11:54:01 PM PDT by lonevoice
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