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Web users 'must endure' pop-up ads
Guardian ^ | 09/08/03 | Owen Gibson

Posted on 09/08/2003 1:42:26 PM PDT by Pikamax

Web users 'must endure' pop-up ads

Owen Gibson Monday September 8, 2003

Internet users will continue to be plagued by unwanted pop-up adverts after a US judge ruled websites can do nothing to prevent companies placing ads on

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their pages without permission. "Alas, we computer users must endure pop-up advertising," district judge Gerald Bruce Lee ruled in a US court in Virginia.

While this ruling applies only to America, other US-based web judgments have tended to set a precedent on this side of the Atlantic.

The decision is a blow to the owners of websites that have been plagued by rogue advertising.

Over the past two years online publishers have filed more than a dozen lawsuits against internet advertising firms Gator Corporation and WhenU.com.

The companies operate by offering web surfers free software or downloads, such as video players or screen savers, that come with ad serving programmes attached.

Once downloaded they will then be shown pop-up adverts independent of the website they are visiting.

While many of the online publishers complaining about Gator and WhenU.com also deliver pop-up ads to their users, they argue they can limit the number of times they are shown and ensure the adverts are suitable for their audience.

Dotcoms are also concerned the pop-ups offered by companies such as Gator may advertise products and websites that rival their own.

"Computer users, like this trial judge, may wonder what we have done to warrant the punishment of seizure of our computer screens by pop-up advertisements for secret web cameras, insurance, travel values and fad diets," Mr Lee said.

However, he ruled that, while annoying, the adverts did not break any trademark or copyrights laws and consumers had generally agreed to download the ad serving software.

"Ultimately it is the computer user who controls the windows displayed on the computer desktop," he said.

However, many users complain is often far from obvious that they are agreeing to install the "spyware" software on their computers and that, once installed, it is difficult to remove.

The suit was brought by removal company U-Haul International, which said it was considering an appeal.

Last year Gator reached an out of court settlement with a dozen media companies, including the Washington Post and Dow Jones, over similar complaints.

Gator also faces outstanding suits from other online publishers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: advertising; popupads
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To: JerseyHighlander
Is Firebird significantly better then my Mozilla 1.5a build from May/June?

After 1.5, the Mozilla suite is being broken up into pieces. The browser will be Firebird, the mail reader is Thunderbird. etc.

If you get the Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 release I think it uses Mozilla/Gecko 1.4 for rendering. If you download the nightly versions though they use the latest Mozilla/Gecko.

My copy is built with 1.5b from Sept 4th.

41 posted on 09/08/2003 3:01:33 PM PDT by Lorenb420
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To: Pikamax
I've been using a combo of the new Google toolbar and Norton Firewall. Seems to have banished pop-ups from my online experience.
42 posted on 09/08/2003 3:01:33 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: snarkpup
Hadn't even thought about this in a long time. Tried it. Some webpages now load amazingly fast. Don't think I'm missing anything important.
43 posted on 09/08/2003 3:06:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: mattdono
Difficult to remove?! That is the understatement of the year. Simply put, getting GATOR (or GAIN) uninstalled can be a b*tch. I used Ad-Aware to uninstall, but that wasn't easy either.

Yep, that happened to me, too. :-(

Watch out for a new one called ClearSearch. I spent all day Saturday taking that SOB off my harddrive. Not sure how I got it either . . . Except perhaps it was one of their tricky pop-ups that fooled me into answering incorrectly. It said something like, "Do you want to continue being in the dark about all our great internet bargains?" Answering 'no' downloads and intalls ClearSearch.

44 posted on 09/08/2003 3:09:53 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: moehoward
Tell me about chimera, please!

I am using Safaria, and usually like it, but some web-sites are not friendly to it!

Tia

45 posted on 09/08/2003 3:11:55 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: So Cal Rocket
you learn something new everyday on FR! I've been using the google toolbar for ages and had no idea the popup blocker was there.

i took a look, checked the little box, visited a few well-known popup sites (like drudge) and zero, zilch, nada!

thanks for the tip. even tho i have an ad-blocker, it seems like a bunch of those little bastards were still getting thru.
46 posted on 09/08/2003 3:15:18 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: JerseyHighlander
This might answer some of your questions as well: Why You Should Switch to the Mozilla Firebird browser
47 posted on 09/08/2003 3:15:56 PM PDT by Lorenb420
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To: thoughtomator
"I removed over 170 different spyware/malware applications on his machine. "

Can you tell me where to get a list of them? I finally installed zonealarm pro on my home network. Works great. Blocks the popups, blocks most of the porn, and keeps my kids worked up when they sometimes can't go where they want to go.

48 posted on 09/08/2003 3:18:34 PM PDT by Mr_Peter
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To: thoughtomator
"By the way, disturbingly enough - one of those programs was installed by Dell at the factory, no joke."

Interesting, that. Was your uncle told, as we were, that anti-spyware should NOT be installed on a Dell computer? I thought it odd, but one of the Dell techies told me, at least, that installing any of it might make my warranty invalid. So maybe they have a stake in keeping us loaded down with internet crud?

49 posted on 09/08/2003 3:20:54 PM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: Pikamax
Just stick to FR. Problem solved.
50 posted on 09/08/2003 3:22:39 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Pikamax
I have a net business and go to net marketing seminars - the guys in that niche hawk popups, popovers, exit popups, etc, as one of the holy grails of internet marketing in the 21st century. "Increases subscriptions 400%!' etc.

Every season has a new fad - popups and related stuff were trumpeted a lot in 2001 and 2002.

I don't use them by the way, since I know they tick me off, I expect they tick off potential customers, too,
51 posted on 09/08/2003 3:26:29 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Pikamax
as mentioned before ad-awre does wonders to get rid of gator et al, www.lavasoft.de

and for those of you with firewalls I compiled a nice list of gator servers that I observed the evil little software trying to connect to, block all outbound traffic to those IPs (thats until gator corp gets more servers)

66.35.229.236
64.152.73.140
64.152.73.172
64.152.73.204
64.152.73.236
66.35.229.140
66.35.229.172
66.35.229.204

Put that in your pipe and smoke it judge, sure you may rule its legal, but we don't have to put up with it.
52 posted on 09/08/2003 3:30:38 PM PDT by battousai (Hello... Hello... is this thing on?)
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To: BibChr
At work, I used IE extensively

Have you read the Avant FAQ?

53 posted on 09/08/2003 3:37:55 PM PDT by TomServo ("I worked at NASA back when we were next to Cost Cutters.")
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To: Pikamax
Get Zone Alarm Pro ... no more pop-ups.
54 posted on 09/08/2003 3:40:42 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: RightWhale
Hadn't even thought about this in a long time. Tried it. Some webpages now load amazingly fast. Don't think I'm missing anything important.

I only run into a couple of web sites per year that I really must use and that really require scripting to function at all. If these sites are frequently visited and you don't want to keep turning on scripting temporarily whenever you visit them, you can configure them as "trusted sites" (see the Tools/Internet Options/Security pane). I give the main internet zone very tight settings; and then give the trusted sites the same security settings as the main internet zone except that scripting is enabled. If you also have a firewall that is blocking scripting, it also needs a manually configured rule for its equivalent of a trusted site.

55 posted on 09/08/2003 3:41:44 PM PDT by snarkpup
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To: Pikamax
Pop-ups only plague the IGNORANT, those who are satisfied with what Bill Gates in his infinite wisdom deems to be "sufficient".

Anyone running Linux, MAC OS/X, or the Mozilla browser under Windows has escaped the onslaught...

56 posted on 09/08/2003 3:45:21 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Lorenb420
OK - For a "general use" internet user - which one is "better" 0.6.x or 1.4?
57 posted on 09/08/2003 4:47:21 PM PDT by jonno
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To: jonno
OK - For a "general use" internet user - which one is "better" 0.6.x or 1.4?

I like the Firebird 0.6.x over Mozilla 1.4. The pop-up and ad blocking are must haves IMO. I also like it's just a browser and not a 5-in-1 suite.

You can download Firebird and try it out without it doing anything funny to your Mozilla/Netscape/IE, if you want to compare.

58 posted on 09/08/2003 5:00:03 PM PDT by Lorenb420
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To: TomServo
I didn't know there'd be a quiz.
59 posted on 09/08/2003 5:10:16 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Lorenb420
Great - thanks!
60 posted on 09/08/2003 5:11:36 PM PDT by jonno
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