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Poll Shows OK Rep. Istook Would Win an Open GOP Senatorial Primary
Newsmax.com ^ | 09-13-03 | Not given

Posted on 09/13/2003 10:05:11 AM PDT by Theodore R.

Poll Shows Oklahoma Rep. Istook Winner of GOP Senatorial Primary

Rep. Ernest Istook (R-Okla) will be a sure winner in a contest with Oklahoma City Mayor Kirk Humphreys if he enters the Republican primary for the senatorial nomination in the 2004 primaries.

A confidential poll by Wilson Research Strategies done for the Friends of Ernest Istook group concludes that based on an exhaustive samplings "the Republican nomination is Istook's should he decide to seek it and that Congressman Istook is the Republican's best candidate to hold any open Senate seat in 2004."

The possibility that a Senate seat will be open is based on speculation that current GOP Senator Don Nickles may not run for re-election. That speculation is fueled by Nickles statement to Roll Call, the Capitol Hill publication, that he will not make a decision about running until April, 2004.

The poll matched Istook against Humphreys and showed Istook as being far more familiar to voters than Humpheys. Fully 60 percent of the voters know enough about Istook to rate their opinion of him, against just 33 percent for Humphreys.

In a primary against Humphreys, the poll showed Istook with 59 percent of the GOP vote against 28 percent for Humpheys.

Speculation that Nickles will retire is based on the belief that he resents being shut out of his leadership role following the resignation of Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) in late 2002. Nickles had been assistant minority leader before the GOP took control of the Senate after the 2002 elections and was expected to be Lott's right hand in the new Republican-led Senate.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: 2004; frist; humphreys; istook; lott; nickles; ok; senate
Nickles had been assistant minority leader before the GOP took control of the Senate after the 2002 elections and was expected to be Lott's right hand in the new Republican-led Senate.

Unfortunately, Senator Nickles had a chance to challenge Lott BEFORE the ridiculous Strom Thurmond birthday escapade, and he backed away. He missed his golden opportunity. Now he no longer seems to want to stay in the Senate. Hopefully, Istook, who seems to have the desire to serve, can win this seat. Do you think Istook will be hurt by his being a native Texan?

1 posted on 09/13/2003 10:05:12 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
Senator Nickles reminds me of the old adage: "strike while the iron is hot." He demurred, then Lott was replaced by another "squishy" Republican. He sadly missed his chance to lead. Yet, he may have known that the other GOP senators would not have approve him as the leader.
2 posted on 09/13/2003 10:10:53 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
"just damn" ... even after the Lott thing exploded he was demurring, and let Frist be the guy... what a mistake, we see it already on issues. Frist isnt bad, but Nickles would have been better. I hope he doesnt retire, we still need him!!

3 posted on 09/13/2003 10:33:14 AM PDT by WOSG (Dont put Cali on CRUZ CONTROL.)
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To: Theodore R.
Istook would be just as good as Nickles as a senator.
4 posted on 09/13/2003 10:56:30 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: The Old Hoosier
But not as good as J.C. would be....

Why wasn't he polled?
5 posted on 09/13/2003 11:43:27 AM PDT by Amish
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To: The Old Hoosier
Istook is a TX Southern Baptist turned OK Mormon. Do you think some Southern Baptists in OK (it is a heavily Baptist state) might refuse to support Istook in a general election? Many Southern Baptists consider Mormonism to be a "cult." Could religion become an issue in the OK Senate race?

It is believed that Al Smith lost OK in 1928 because of Catholicism being unaccepted there. Years later, Gov. and Sen. Dewey Bartlett, R-OK, a right-to-life Catholic smashed that roadblock..
6 posted on 09/13/2003 12:31:48 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Amish
Another great candidate would be former Rep. Tom Coburn, R-OK, who is strongly anti-establishment of both partiess. I assume that Dr. Coburn, a man who could not be bought with political promises, has no interest in returning to politics.

I would be satisfied with Istook. I think he is a decent man and reliably conservative.
7 posted on 09/13/2003 12:42:50 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: EternalVigilance
ping
8 posted on 09/13/2003 2:08:11 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Theodore R.
But Nickles was in a tough spot to do that, because he was the assitant monority leader, so it would look disloyal. Plus, if you fail, well... If you are in Nickles position, you usually have to wait to inherit the position.
9 posted on 09/13/2003 2:10:17 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway; PhiKapMom
Oklahomans have an embarrassment of riches. If only other states were so blessed.

PKM - comments on this subject matter?
10 posted on 09/13/2003 2:33:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: fieldmarshaldj
*ping*

What is your analysis of Istook? Are you familiar with him?
11 posted on 09/13/2003 5:17:27 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.; AuH2ORepublican; Badray; BlackElk; Bonaparte; Coop; Dan from Michigan; ...
OK politics *ping*

Istook is a solid Conservative, no real problems with him aside from perhaps that he may be considered "too Conservative" in a statewide race (he's the most Conservative member from OK) and perhaps "too OK City" (he's from suburban Warr Acres) for some. Nickles hails from Ponca City and Inhofe from Tulsa. But I have a big problem with a poll that only has Congressman Istook (not to mention commissioned for his campaign !) and Mayor Humphreys (of whom I don't know much) in it, and not the man I consider the natural heir to this seat, J.C. Watts. I hope to see a nice smashing breakthrough for African-American Republicans Watts and Herman Cain being elected to the Senate next year.
12 posted on 09/13/2003 5:57:50 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~RINOs can eat my shorts - and you don't want to know when I washed 'em last~)
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To: EternalVigilance
Istook would be really good but I like Mayor Humphries as well.

We still don't know if Nickles is running or not for another term. From all accounts he really likes his new Chairmanship because he controls where the money is spent and you won't have a better guy for that.

In 1998 when Sen Nickles agreed not to challenge Lott of Majority Leader, Lott promised to step aside in 2000 and let Nickles run for Majority Leader. We all know what happened there, Lott went back on his word and why to this day I have very little respect for Lott. Nickles was term limited as assistant majority leader/whip and chose to take a Senate Chairmanship in lieu of challenging Frist. Still not sure how that all went down.

As for J.C., I personally have not ruled out that he won't run for Senator. If he does throw his name in the race, I believe J.C. will be our next Senator.

All of the candidates are conservative and will beat anything the RATs have to throw against them IMO. If J.C. doesn't run for Senate then I would look to see him challenge the RAT Governor Henry in 2006! Still cannot believe that Henry won thanks to an Indy who was a Republican and Keating's former law partner. He promised no taxes on almost everything, no tuition, and got 100,000 stupid voters to vote for him which gave us Henry who cannot make a decision in a hurry if his life depending on it. Cannot stand the man's politics and his wishy washy approach to everything.

That kinds of sums up Oklahoma politics as it stands right now -- everyone waiting for Sen Nickles to decide if he is stepping down. We will still have two Republican conservative Senators if he does step down, but only one with a lot of seniority!
13 posted on 09/13/2003 6:33:59 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicron Pi Mom too! -- Visit http://www.georgewbush.com!)
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To: The Old Hoosier
I'd send money to Istook. He just helped tube Seattle's Light Rail System that would cost over 4.8 Bill for 14 miles - start nowhere, journey around anything important, and terminate nowhere.

He heads the Transportation Committee, and just pulled a 500 million Fed Grant to Seattle for this farce! Good man!

14 posted on 09/13/2003 6:48:42 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Dump Wesley Clark.....he worries me as much as Hillary!)
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To: PhiKapMom
All of the candidates are conservative and will beat anything the RATs have to throw against them IMO.

Same was said in 2001 about the 2002 OK gubernatorial campaign. Wrong then!
15 posted on 09/13/2003 7:16:06 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: PhiKapMom
Thank you for that wonderful encapsulation of the sitution in OK.

Like I said, if only all the states had your problem--loads of conservatives to choose from! :-)
16 posted on 09/13/2003 9:13:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Theodore R.
We don't have an Indy running in the race for Senator. That guy is now dead meat here in OK after he gave us a RAT Governor. He was a Republican who knew he couldn't win in the primary so 95% of his campaign contributions came from himself so he could siphon votes from Largent. Richardson had better never come around any Republicans ever again. His whole basis for running was that he would do away with all taxes basically and stupid cockfighting supporters bought into Richardson!

17 posted on 09/13/2003 9:31:25 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicron Pi Mom too! -- Visit http://www.georgewbush.com!)
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To: Theodore R.
He didn't have the votes. Self-appointment is frowned upon.
18 posted on 09/13/2003 9:40:57 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: fieldmarshaldj
AFAIK he said he was retiring from the house so he could raise his young kids back home. If so maybe he should run for Governor. He could beat Henry. He did win statewide as Corporation Commissioner. An open senate seat will be easier to win than beating Cock Fighting Enthusiast Henry so we need our strongest candidate to take him out. I hear the rats will probably nominate Drew Edmondson the AG if he runs.

19 posted on 09/14/2003 5:22:53 AM PDT by Impy (Don't you fall into the trap, democrats are full of crap.)
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To: PhiKapMom; EternalVigilance; Theodore R.
I think only Largent has himself to blame in this. I never realized how big a jerk he was until he opened his yap over the Elian Gonzalez matter. Karmic payback for him, albeit the good folks of OK also suffered for his poor judgment, too... :-(

It's too bad Wes Watkins didn't run for Governor, he would've won handily. He, of course, did for Frank Keating in '94 what you-know-who did for Henry last November.
20 posted on 09/14/2003 2:01:20 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~RINOs can eat my shorts - and you don't want to know when I washed 'em last~)
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To: Impy
Yes, though J.C. said he missed Congress only a few months after leaving. I would think he'd reconsider a return in the case of an open Senate seat. The question is whether we'd see an ugly primary between him, Istook, and Humphreys while the 'Rats coalesce behind one candidate (of course, the latter looks unlikely, with, as you mentioned, Edmondson, Dave Walters, and Brad Carson in the mix). Edmondson's dad, the late Congressman Ed Edmondson, ran unsuccessfully for Senator in '72 and '74, and his uncle, Howard Edmondson, was Governor and briefly served as Senator in '63-'64 when Bob Kerr died, losing in a primary to the most left-wing Senator OK has elected in the past 50 years, Fred Harris. In any event, my gut says Brad Carson will get the nod if he chooses to run. I hope we can persuade Dr. Coburn to try to get his old House seat back if he does.
21 posted on 09/14/2003 2:17:32 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~RINOs can eat my shorts - and you don't want to know when I washed 'em last~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I tried to tell some folks that some of the "true" conservatives punished a 95%+ conservative voting record person because of Elian and stayed home, voted for Richardson, or Henry. Take your pick.

Thank you for confirming that very fact! I took a hit for saying that but no more! Maybe you all think it was a principled vote but it gave the rest of us 4 years of Henry! Hope you all are happy!

With folks like you all, Republicans had better be looking around for voters from other places because voters with that attitude cannot be counted to vote for the Republican.

Would recommend that some of you that feel that way, just come out and admit that you really are not Republican because this teaching the rest of us a lesson is getting really old. Eight years of Clinton and now here in OK because of one issue we have Henry. Less than impressed!

Maybe if you grew up without a Father, you might have taken Steve's position which was also not my position but I didn't walk in his shoes!



22 posted on 09/14/2003 5:12:42 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicron Pi Mom too! -- Visit http://www.georgewbush.com!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Before you ripped into me, you might've ASKED me whom I supported. Despite Largent's idiocy, I would still have held my nose and voted for him. I said that his position did cost him some votes, but how many I'm unsure about. Some crazy types probably also voted against him because of the cockfighting business. Another problem was that Largent seemed to run a poor campaign in the last few months of the campaign (almost identical to Matt Salmon in AZ). Like I said, though, had Wes Watkins been the nominee, a lot of this might've been moot.

Just to remind you again, my own state was saddled with a 'Rat Governor because of the idiocy and apostasy of my former RINO Governor. Precisely the same type that some people are championing in California, that being our dearest Ah-nold.
23 posted on 09/14/2003 5:47:13 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~RINOs can eat my shorts - and you don't want to know when I washed 'em last~)
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To: Theodore R.
I know Sentator Nickles personally. We hare from the same hometown, I served in his Wash DC office in the Summer of 1996, etc. That being said....

He has higher aspirations than the Senate. In my opinion, he will return home to run for Governor and then ..... (fill in your office here, I think prez.) No senator has ever won the presidency.

He will run.

Istook will fill the shoes of Nickles nicely
24 posted on 09/14/2003 7:18:51 PM PDT by jbstrick (Behold the Power of CHEESE!)
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To: jbstrick
Was Nickles an early supporter of Largent for governor? Did he realize that Largent was lazy and lacked the fire in the belly to be running for governor? Also, wasn't he appalled at Largent's pro-Castro stance on little Elian Gonzalez?
25 posted on 09/14/2003 7:23:02 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I remember Coburn crying during his retirment annoucment.

I was suprised Carson would want to give up a safe house seat for a senate race he'd probably lose. Maybe he was embolded by Henry's win.

Wouldn't it really suck if OK had a Governor and Senator both named Brad? :-p
26 posted on 09/15/2003 6:52:30 AM PDT by Impy (Don't you fall into the trap, democrats are full of crap.)
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To: jbstrick
"In my opinion, he will return home to run for Governor"

Really? That would be great. He'd beat Henry and in the meantime Watts can take his Senate seat.

If he an Cain were both in the Senate it would give the rats a heart attack.

Didn't Tom Dashole say the Senate badly needs some color?
27 posted on 09/15/2003 6:57:42 AM PDT by Impy (Don't you fall into the trap, democrats are full of crap.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"I hope to see a nice smashing breakthrough for African-American Republicans Watts and Herman Cain being elected to the Senate next year."


Agreed. Congressmen Istook and Mac Collins would have a good chance of getting elected to the Senate, and would make fine Senators, but I think it's important to show the American people that while the RATs provide lip service to inclusion, we Republicans actually allow blacks to leave Bophutswana and Transkei and get elected statewide. It would also serve as a wakeup call to black Americans who share our conservative values but who have reflexively voted for the RATs because their parents and grandparents voted for FDR and JFK.

I also happen to believe that J.C. Watts would be more of a slam-dunk to hold Nickles' seat than would Istook, since Watts would run better in rural areas (his district included rural areas along the Texas border that had long voted Democrat). My only concern about Watts is that he has supported affirmative action, but I believe he's okay on every other issue, and I'll gladly take a 95% conservative who can help us end the RAT Party's monopoly over the black vote.
28 posted on 09/15/2003 7:10:50 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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