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USO Canteen FReeper Style ~ Julius Caesar: The Gallic Wars ~ September 16, 2003
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Posted on 09/16/2003 2:53:23 AM PDT by LaDivaLoca

 
 
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ANCIENT WARFARE



ANCIENT ROMAN MILITARY
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Julius Caesar: The Gallic Wars

"I am bound to suspect, Caesar, that your friendship is a sham and that your army here in Gaul is for no other purpose than to crush me.

So if you do not get out of this area and take your army with you, I shall treat you not as a friend but as an enemy; and if I kill you, I shall give great satisfaction to a large number of noble and distinguished Roman citizens." Caesar quoting Ariovistus, 58 BC (Saaben-Clare)

"I am convinced that, when he [Ariovistus] has understood my demands and realized how fair are my terms, he will not forfeit my goodwill or that of the Roman people. But if some lunatic frenzy drives him to make war on us, what have we to fear"? Caesar's comment on Ariovistus (Saaben-Clare).

For more than 500 years, generations of western schoolchildren have been introduced to the history of Caesar's conquest of Gaul by learning that it was then divided into three parts. The eight years of his Gallic campaigns, in which by far the largest part of what is now France, Belgium, and parts of Holland, Switzerland, and Germany west of the Rhine, were brought into Rome's provincial empire, gave Caesar the wealth, stature and power to contend with Pompey and the Senate for the dominion of Rome during the Civil War. His victories created much of his enduring reputation as one of the greatest military geniuses of history. His account of his own campaigns, De BelloGallico ("The Gallic Wars" or his "Commentaries") is a classic of ancient history and literature and established his reputation as one of the best writers of his or any generation. The coins above, representing a Gallic warrior in horned helmet and a disheveled female captive, were made to his own orders when he was dictator of Rome. In the final analysis, Gaul made him.

What Caesar did for Gaul was to kill, by Plutarch's estimate, over one million of its perhaps twelve million inhabitants and enslave a million more. When Caesar found a provocation to carry his command into unconquered Gaul, there were hundreds of free tribes indifferent or actively hostile to Rome; when his term as governor expired, a vast new and profitable province was added permanently to the Empire, adopting Roman culture within a few generations. Gaul's romanization survived the fall of the city that conquered it. It was, and remained, one of the crown jewels of Rome's conquests. Perhaps the greatest irony of all is that Caesar initially appeared to the Gauls in the guise of a protector.

 

GALLIA COMATA

What is now Provence in France was the original "Province" held by Rome since 122 BC and was peacefully established by Caesar's day and known as "GalliaNarbonensis." Stretching beyond its relatively narrow confines on the Mediterranean towards the Baltic lay a vast interior peopled by semi-civilized tribes of whom most were of Celtic heritage, dating from invasions over several centuries. Romans called it "Gallia Comata" or "long-haired Gaul." Although once ruled by kings, by the late Republic most Gallic tribes -including The Atrebates, Morini, Nervii and Eburones of what is now Belgium and Germany, the Bellovaci, Suessones, Lingones, Carnutes and Aedui of central France, and the Bituriges, Arverni, Allobroges and Aquitani of the south - were ruled by nobles or elected tribal leaders. Although not literate, the Celts often spoke Latin, traded with Rome and other nations, had their own established coinage, were adept at agriculture, mining, and metallurgy, and had a vivid tradition of decorative arts. The Druids - about whom Caesar is our primary source in ancient history - were the ruling elite, exempt from taxation and warfare and passing down the oral tradition of religious observance and law from the highest position in Celtic society. The aristocracy ruled. Much of the rest of the people were small farmers, many more or less in bondage to their chiefs.

The Celts lived with the threat of the aggressive German tribes to the northeast, across the Rhine. When Caesar's uncle, the famous Gaius Marius, won his great victories against the invading tribes of the Germanic Cimbrii and Teutonii, their invasions were halted in Gaul. The Germans, as described by Caesar, were entirely warlike and despised the weakness of the settled Gallic tribes, frequently crossing the Rhine for plunder and to take territory if they could. It was to prevent the immigration of additional Germanic tribes that Caesar was first called to assist the Gauls; he never left.


THE HELVETII AND ARIOVISTUS, 58 BC

Caesar had, after much political maneuvering, received both the provinces of Cisalpine Gaul (roughly, northern Italy and the Adriatic coast) and Transalpine Gaul (France) following his year as Consul in 59, BC. Southern Gaul, largely pacified, had been a Roman province for almost a century, officially since 112 BC. There is strong evidence that, in the beginning, Caesar thought to make his reputation not in Gaul, but in Cisalpine Gaul and Illyricum. It left him close to political events in Rome and, particularly in Illyricum, offered opportunities for military fame and plunder. However, a Germanic tribe, the Helvetii, gave him an irresistible opportunity in the first months of his command which had far-reaching implications for the future.

The Roman fear of the Gauls went back to the last great invasion of Italy by Gallic tribes in the late fifth and early fourth centuries BC. Tribal movements led to Gallic invasions in Greece and Asia Minor (the "Galatians" of biblical fame). Around 400, Gallic tribes filtered into northern Italy towards the Etruscan settlements of the Po Valley; this was afterwards called "Cisalpine" Gaul ("Gaul this side of the Alps" whereas Gaul proper was known as "Gaul on the other side of the Alps"). On July 19, 386 BC, the Gallic army wiped out the Roman defensive forces at the river Allia, leaving Rome open to sack more severe than any suffered until Alaric six centuries later. The day was forever afterwards a black memorial in Rome's calendar. Matius' victories against the German Cimbri and Teutoni in Gaul in the 2nd century merely confirmed the threat of these northern invaders in popular fears.




Thus when Caesar learned that a great folk migration of a northern Celtic tribe, the Helvetii (originally from what is now Switzerland) planned to pass through Gaul to obtain land in the west, he was given the ideal excuse for action. The Gauls, naturally, feared that the Helvetii would plunder en route, if not take over their lands outright. Caesar forbade the Helvetii to pass through lands so close to Rome's territory. He took five hastily assembled legions into battle against a vastly superior horde, estimated as nearly 270,000 people. However, the Helvetii had their woman and children with them, which severely restricted their mobility. In a series of skirmishes and the final battle near Toulon, Caesar claims only 130,000 of the tribe were left alive. They were forced by Caesar to return to their original lands in Switzerland after a brief but definitive campaign.

Almost immediately, the leaders of several tribes, including the Aedui, Rome's allies, called on Caesar for help against the Germanic Sequani tribe under their leader, Ariovistus. One of the reasons for the Helvetian migration had been pressure from Ariovistus, whose people were filtering into northern Gaul and threatening their lands. The tribes begged Caesar to stop Ariovistus. Since the German was titled as a "Friend and Ally of the Roman people," Caesar tried to handle him diplomatically but his overtures only received defiant denials. When he moved against the German troops (near modern-day Besancon), Caesar was dumbfounded to find his own troops panic-stricken about fighting the Germans. He had to exhort the army to remember that Marius had beaten the Germans before and they would again. In a great battle (in which Caesar routed the German right wing), the Germans broke and streamed back across the Rhine. As Caesar wrote with understandable pride, "Two campaigns were thus finished in a single summer." He retired his army to winter quarters among the Sequani and returned to his duties in Cisalpine Gaul for the winter with the praises of those Gauls who had asked for Rome's protection.


57 BC: CAMPAIGNS AGAINST THE BELGAE

Many scholars believe that it was not until the end of his first year in Gaul that Caesar fully realized that, having once begun, he could not safely withdraw his forces until the whole of Gaul was pacified. He was particularly aware that, before he could move into Gaul's interior, he had to secure his rear (northeastern Gaul) from German incursions, in the area of the Belgic tribes between the Moselle and the North Sea, many of which were ethnically German. He also heard while in Cisalpine Gaul that the Belgae, fearful that Caesar would turn on them after he had pacified Celtic Gaul, were arming and preparing for war. Raising two new legions (the 13th and 14th), he moved quickly to the borders of the Belgae on the Marne River.

Upon arrival, Caesar learned that fifteen tribes had united under Galba, king of the Suessiones, and planned to field 300,000 warriors. When the Belgic Remi tribe agreed to aid Caesar, the Belgae attacked their chief towns and pillaged their lands. In protecting the Remi, Caesar forced the assembled tribes to withdraw to within miles of the Sambre river. There he learned that the Nervii, fiercest of the Belgic tribes, the Atrebates and Aduatuci were waiting on the far side. The Battle of the Sambre was touch-and-go for Caesar: in the first of many battles, he was forced to personally rally his men, turning a near-defeat into victory, vitally assisted by Titus Labienus and his cavalry. The Nervii surrendered and were permitted to retain their lands. The Aduatuci, however, surrendered and then attempted to escape. In the first of many harsh retaliations upon Gauls who (in his mind) broke their word, Caesar sold the whole 53,000 men, women and children of the tribe into slavery. Meanwhile, Marcus Crassus' son had successfully moved into Normandy and Brittany and subdued the Armorican tribes. Caesar wrote that he believed his two years' campaigns had pacified Gaul and again returned to northern Italy. He was over-optimistic.

It should be noted before going further, that Caesar's brutal actions in Gaul are sometimes distinguished as singular in ancient warfare. This is untrue. The history of Roman conquest generally involved either surrender or annihilation; by definition, to be conquered meant dead warriors and enslaved women and children, with pillage of all they owned. It was only during the Civil War, when Caesar did not apply this normal standard to fellow-Romans, that his clemency was considered remarkable. His harshness towards the Gauls when they refused to accept their conquest would increase over time.


56 BC: CAMPAIGNS AGAINST THE MARITIME TRIBES

Caesar had already decided that he would invade Britain; the tribal kinships between British tribes and Gallic ones meant continual escape from Gaul to Britain of "troublemakers" and aid from Britain to rebellious tribes. To do so, he had to secure the Channel tribes, particularly the Veneti, a seagoing people. The campaigns of 56 began with Caesar, unusually, dividing his forces, stationing legions under Labienus, Crassus, Sabinus and others throughout Gaul to prevent tribes aiding his efforts against the seagoing peoples. The Veneti, with a body of British auxiliaries, had prepared for war and amassed a fleet of light, maneuverable sailing ships far more expert than the lumbering Roman galleys. Decimus Brutus - one of Caesar's future assassins - was given command of the Roman fleet. Initial contacts were unsuccessful until the Romans realized that the use of archers permitted them to row closely to the Veneti vessels and that long "hooks" could then grapple the masts of the vessels and tow away so that the masts and sails were broken off, permitting boarding. This was so successful against the fleet - aided with a calm in which the sailing vessels were helpless before Caesar's galleys - that the entire fleet was decisively defeated and the Veneti overrun. This tribe, too, was sold into slavery. The campaign took all summer and Caesar once again put his troops into winter quarters and began building his own fleet with which to conquer Britain, while he returned to Cisalpine Gaul to administer that province.


56 BC: CAMPAIGNS AGAINST THE MARITIME TRIBES

Caesar had already decided that he would invade Britain; the tribal kinships between British tribes and Gallic ones meant continual escape from Gaul to Britain of "troublemakers" and aid from Britain to rebellious tribes. To do so, he had to secure the Channel tribes, particularly the Veneti, a seagoing people. The campaigns of 56 began with Caesar, unusually, dividing his forces, stationing legions under Labienus, Crassus, Sabinus and others throughout Gaul to prevent tribes aiding his efforts against the seagoing peoples. The Veneti, with a body of British auxiliaries, had prepared for war and amassed a fleet of light, maneuverable sailing ships far more expert than the lumbering Roman galleys. Decimus Brutus - one of Caesar's future assassins - was given command of the Roman fleet. Initial contacts were unsuccessful until the Romans realized that the use of archers permitted them to row closely to the Veneti vessels and that long "hooks" could then grapple the masts of the vessels and tow away so that the masts and sails were broken off, permitting boarding. This was so successful against the fleet - aided with a calm in which the sailing vessels were helpless before Caesar's galleys - that the entire fleet was decisively defeated and the Veneti overrun. This tribe, too, was sold into slavery. The campaign took all summer and Caesar once again put his troops into winter quarters and began building his own fleet with which to conquer Britain, while he returned to Cisalpine Gaul to administer that province.


54 BC: BRITAIN AND DISASTER

When Caesar returned in the spring, he found 600 new transports and 28 galleys and ordered an assembly at Portius Itius (near modern-day Boulogne). He also found that the Treveri were treating with the Germans beyond the Rhine to attack while he was in Britain and had to march to the Ardennes to intimidate the Treveri and take hostages (many of whom he took with him to Britain). The second expedition to Britain sailed with five legions, 2,000 cavalry, and eight hundred ships. The size of the fleet - the largest until D-Day in 1944 - terrified the Britons and Caesar's landing was unopposed. Leaving ten cohorts to protect the ships, Caesar's army moved inland and rapidly overcame the British tribes, when Caesar received word that - again - his ships had been badly damaged by a freak storm. Caesar instantly recalled his men and returned to the beach to find 40 ships lost and many more damaged. He diverted men for repair and beached the ships behind entrenchments; meanwhile, Caesar learned that the British (convinced the Romans had turned back through fear) had elected Cassivellaunus their leader. He immediately set out against him, leaving his ships heavily guarded.

Caesar for the first time experienced the only type of warfare which truly threatened his successful career; the guerrilla warfare of an enemy who would not stand and fight. The very close-order drill and discipline that taught the Roman legions to battle according to plan was a hindrance in dealing with an enemy that "...never fought in close array":

"Throughout this peculiar combat, which was fought in front of the camp in full view of everyone, it was seen that our troops were too heavily weighted by their armor to deal with such an enemy: they could not pursue them when they retreated and dared not get separated from their standards. The cavalry, too, found it very dangerous work fighting the charioteers; for the Britons would generally give ground on purpose and after drawing them some distance from the legions would jump down from their chariots and fight on foot, with the odds in their favor." B.G., V, 16.

Eventually Caesar advanced to the Thames, possibly near Brentford, crossed to the left bank against strong opposition, and advanced deep into the country of the Trinobantes where he stormed the fortress of Cassivellaunus, who proposed surrender. But again, time and Gallic developments called him away from completing the campaign. The British surrender, hostages, and tribute was fixed before Caesar returned to Gaul upon word that "sudden commotions" required his presence. The conquest of Britain would have to wait almost a century for completion.

Upon his return, Caesar called a convocation of tribes at Samarobriva (Amiens); a bad harvest, and Roman requisitioning, showed discontent simmering beneath the surface. As supplies were difficult, he divided and quartered his legions at strategic points throughout Gaul, remaining himself at Amiens in case of speedy action. He delayed leaving for northern Italy. It was prescient he did so.

With the encouragement of Ambiorix, the Belgic Eburones were persuaded to attack the newly-formed legion stationed near Liege under Titurius Sabinus and Cotta, 50 miles from Cicero's supporting legion. The Gauls frightened Sabinus and his men by painting a terrifying picture of upcoming surprise attacks by both Gauls and Germans, suggesting that Sabinus evacuate to join Cicero's forces. Inevitably, as soon as the legion left its defensive fort, it was attacked and slaughtered by the exultant Gauls. Immediately, Ambiorix convinced the Nervii and their allies to attack Quintus Cicero's position, probably near Namur. In one of the most dramatic episodes in the Gallic War, Cicero was unable to get a messenger through to Caesar while he was besieged by Gauls who began to besiege him using what they had learned from Roman siege tactics.

Finally a messenger managed to get through to Caesar, almost 170 miles away near Amiens, and Caesar raced to Cicero's rescue with two legions against the enemy's nearly 60,000 men. As Caesar approached, the Gauls raised the siege and fell on Caesar's legions. Entrenching and resorting to craft, Caesar persuaded the Gauls to attack and routed them with a cavalry charge. News of the victory caused Indutiomarus, who had planned a related attack on Labienus' legion, to desist. With the loss of one complete legion and serious casualties to a second, Caesar settled down to raise new new legions from Cisalpine Gaul and borrow a third from Pompey, which arrived before the end of winter. He ordered another convocation of Gallic chiefs in Lutetia (Paris), attended by all but the Senones, Carnutes and Treveri who were obviously planning continued resistance.

 

53 BC: THE POT COMES TOWARDS THE BOIL

Ambiorix had caused Caesar endless grief in 54 and he marched against him and his allies as soon as the spring campaigning season arrived. Trebonius and Labienus jointly attacked the lands of the Manipii and Aduatuci while Caesar marched back into Eburone territory in search of Ambiorix. Caesar again bridged the Rhine to harry the Germans in case Ambiorix sought refuge with them, returning to search the vast Ardennes Forest where rumor said Ambiorix was in hiding. Unable to break through the guerrilla harassments offered, Caesar offered a bounty to all Celtic tribes who would join him in pillaging the Eburones and immediately raised large forces; here, as always, the Gauls were always as ready to attack and plunder each other as the Romans. Unfortunately it also appealed to the Germans; the Sugambri crossed the Rhine and fell upon the unfortunate Cicero, whose troops were guarding the baggage at Aduatuca. Two cohorts were destroyed when Cicero expressly ignored Caesar's orders and it was not until Caesar's return that the Germans scampered off.

Caesar then turned on the lands of the Eburones without mercy; however, the devastation did not flush out Ambiorix, who was never captured but was not seen again. As the campaign drew to a close, Caesar ordered another great Gallic convocation at Durocortorum (Rheims). Seizing one of the tribal leaders, Acco, as the remaining arch-conspirator of the revolt, he had him flogged to death in a Roman-style execution. Distributing his legions in winter quarters, he returned to Cisalpine Gaul, believing that "Gaul was quiet."

Instead, what the Gallic victories of 53 and Caesar's increasing severity had created was the one thing that had never happened before; a desperate determination by the Gauls to put aside their everlasting tribal contentions and unite to beat back the legions once and for all. More importantly, a leader would be found more capable of any other of facing Caesar.



52 BC: ANNUS HORRIBILIS

In the winter of 53-52 BC, Caesar was in Cisalpine Gaul holding the normal pattern of judicial assizes. Rome was in turmoil following the murder of Publius Clodius and the political intrigues of multiple political factions. With his political career in crisis, Caesar suddenly learned that the Carnutes, hitherto thought largely pacified, had massacred all Roman citizen traders as well as Caesar's commissariat officer in their oppidum of Cenabum (Orleans). It was the signal. Despite the fact that six legions, the bulk of the Roman army, were quartered in the lands of the Senones, a guerilla force at once formed and began seriously disrupting the army's food supply. Related maneuvers were being handled by Gallic confederates throughout the center of France against the Roman armies in winter quarters. When word came of the uprising, Caesar crossed the Alps in late-February as well as the heavy snows of the Cevennes mountains, appearing in the center of France with his usual unexpectedness. He began collecting the Roman legions in Gaul around the region of Agedincum (Sens).

To deal with the now widespread revolt, Caesar divided his legions: he himself led six legions in the direction of Gergovia, the main stronghold of the Averni, while Titus Labienus took four legions into the lands of the Senones and the Parisii, further to the north. Meanwhile, Vercingetorix, manning the strong natural fortress of Gergovia, had secured the support of the Aedui tribe and its leader, Commius, once considered one of Caesar's most dependable allies. The Aedui for some years had served in the legions as auxiliaries and were highly valued by Caesar as his cavalry. This negotiating triumph led immediately to the massacre of Roman troops by 10,000 supposedly loyal Aedui cavalry and additional murders of all Roman citizens in Cabillonum (Chalon-sur-Saone). Caesar's efforts before Gergovia led to as near a military defeat as he ever suffered in Gaul, and he was forced to withdraw. Tribal leaders formerly loyal to Caesar began deserting with their troops to Vercingetorix. It is estimated that as many as 45 tribes joined against Rome. They torched the army depot of Noviodonum, massacred its Roman merchants and Caesar's hostages, and continued attacks on Caesar's supply lines. Caesar fell back toward the Loire, although he managed to successfully reunite with the legions of Labienus and find some breathing room to replenish his cavalry with German (not Aeduan) auxiliaries. Paradoxically for a tribe in revolt, this appears to have horrified the Aedui, who viewed the German horsemen as brutal barbarians who fought with insane inspiration.


In an historic move, the tribes had elected Vercingetorix their commander in chief and, some sources claim, King of Gaul. In this anxious summer of 52, he was maintaining his leadership position with the now-swollen confederacy with some difficulty. The tribes, long used to warring against each other for territory and plunder, cooperated only with difficulty. Vercingetorix had become convinced that a "scorched earth" policy would best succeed against the legions since, as both an intelligent and perceptive leader, he knew that numbers had not in the past succeeded against legionary discipline. He pleaded with the tribal leaders to have their people destroy their grain and all foodstuffs which might support the Romans as well as themselves during the campaign. As Caesar himself quotes the great Gaul, All you have to do...is to destroy your corn crops without hesitation and burn your granaries, knowing that this sacrifice will make you free men for ever and rulers over others." This pragmatic advice was, however, directly contradictory to the Gallic warrior tradition and was not universally followed. After inconclusive contests with Caesar at Gergovia, Vercingetorix was persuaded to invest the citadel of Alesia, the capital of the Mandubrii, as his base, and to attack Caesar's army (en route to the lands of the Sequani) with his vastly superior cavalry forces. Caesar's legions were, however, able to completely repulse the attack with the frightening aid of their new German cavalry: they proved not only of signal support to Caesar but were greatly feared by the Gauls themselves. This quite unexpected defeat led Vercingetorix to retire his army (allegedly 80,000 strong) to the great hilltop fortress of Alesia.

Caesar quickly grasped the changed situation and followed, immediately beginning on his arrival that inexorable enclosure of his enemy that would isolate Vercingetorix's army from its remaining allies. The siege at Alesia - one of the most extraordinary in Roman military history - broke the back of Gallic resistance when Vercingetorix surrendered. With the capitulation of the king of united Gaul, Caesar would spend the next two years exterminating whatever remaining resistance the decimated tribes could offer.


51 BC: THE SIEGE OF UXELLODUNUM

One final year of campaigning remained; Caesar was determined to complete the pacification of Gaul before his term of office expired in early 49. Hirtius, who picks up the final book of the Gallic Wars after Caesar, notes a distinct change in Caesar's policy of retribution after Alesia. Dissension among the Bituriges in late 52 met unaccustomed leniency. The great Gallic confederacy seems to have disintegrated back into inter-tribal raiding and Caesar aided both the Suessiones and Bituriges against the Bellovaci and Carnutes. In both cases, after his victories, he avoided strong retaliation. However, when he heard that Ambiorix was again on the warpath, he savagely stripped the country of the Eburones of whatever remained to it, to make Ambiorix's own people hate the chieftan who brought such misery upon them. He then moved against fugitives under Drappes and Lucterius who had marched south to plunder the Roman province. He cought up with them in the town of Uxellodunum (Puy d'Issolu). This stood on a plateau crowning a rocky hill rising 600 feet above the plain near the Dordogne River. While pretending to erect great siegeworks against this impregnable position, Caesar's engineers found and diverted all sources to the spring that supplied water to the citadel. Without water, the town surrendered.

Caesar had tried mercy and he had tried savagery, but his punishment of the survivors of Uxellodonum must be viewed as one of the great atrocities of warfare. He granted the surviving soldiers - perhaps 2,000 men - their lives. He then cut off both their hands. They were sent away as cripples to remind Gaul of Caesar's punishment. This was the effective end of the Gallic war.


 

THE CONQUEROR DEPARTS

Caesar had conquered and pacified Gaul. His military reputation had soared during eight increasingly merciless years, while Pompey's star was correspondingly dimmed. The cost was, as Plutarch notes, that he "took by storm more than 800 cities, subdued 300 nations, and fought pitched battles at various times with three million men, of whom he destroyed one million in the actual fighting and took another million prisoners" [slaves]. Life, XV. The Roman province was safe; Caesar organized the new territories, permitting them to pay their own tribute (preventing victimization by tax farmers) of a relatively moderate 40,000,000 sesterces annually. He returned some 20,000 prisoners to the rebellious Aedui and Averni who, in spite of their participation in Vercingetorix' rebellion, would remain as a bulwark of loyal tribes to come. His relentless successes had decimated and enslaved whole tribes. Vercingetorix would walk in the Gallic triumph in 46 in Rome before his traditional execution. Caesar had, indeed, accomplished all that he had required of himself.


Vercingetorix, preparing to surrender alone to Caesar (in red, far distance),
hesitates before the Roman camp at Alesia. Henry-Paul Motte, 1886.

Doubts, however, have remained. Goethe spoke for many when he remarked, "We have become too humane not to be repelled by Caesar's triumphs."

 

Continuation of Part II-D Ancient Roman Military: Julius Caesar
Winter Rebellion & Siege of Alesia



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241 posted on 09/16/2003 8:08:11 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in it for truth, justice, and the American way=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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243 posted on 09/16/2003 8:26:56 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (God Bless America and Our Troops Who Protect Her!)
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Dream your good dreams! (I watched a maple syrup program on FoodTV tonight, so I'm already craving tomorrow.) ;)
244 posted on 09/16/2003 8:30:56 PM PDT by Fawnn (NEVER FORGET!!! God Bless America! God Bless our Commander in Chief and our Troops!)
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Hi MSgt Dan! Hi M0sby! Thank you for serving this great nation of ours. Prayers for your success and safety.

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245 posted on 09/16/2003 8:56:47 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (God Bless America and Our Troops Who Protect Her!)
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I give up! I think my computer has gone on strike. My email has been messed up for hours now. I get nothing but the hourglass. I've had to reboot half a dozen times, and other open stuff won't close. It's a conspiracy, I tell you! I'll show it. I'll shut it off and go home. Back in a bit.
246 posted on 09/16/2003 9:00:02 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (God Bless America and Our Troops Who Protect Her!)
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Hey Kathy!
CUTE VIKING!!! And elephant and hubba hubba... sniff missing Brad's Gramma!

Thanks... countin the days.....
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I'm missing Gramma, too! (We probably shouldn't let her know though, or it'll go to her head.)

Hope you have better computer luck at home, Kathy!
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Good Evening
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Good Evening to you too!

I been lurking mostly recently!

We're doing lots of house STUFF around here!
Waiting to see if Dan REALLY get's to come home in a month!
Keeping my fingers crossed!

I sure like this place though. Even when I'm not posting and stuff... nice to sit back and just read what people are chatting about!

253 posted on 09/16/2003 9:15:43 PM PDT by M0sby (Proud Marine Corp's Wife!)
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To: Fawnn
Thanks for your contributions to the Canteen!
You help make it a fun place to be for our military guests and their family members.
254 posted on 09/16/2003 9:17:06 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (No goats were used when I got post 250)
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To: Fawnn
I'm sure your right!
She might think she's really sumpthin!
Then who KNOWS what'll happen... she might just try something super over the top.. like having her whole house painted at once... or some such act of madness!!
255 posted on 09/16/2003 9:18:14 PM PDT by M0sby (Proud Marine Corp's Wife!)
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To: Fawnn
Thanks for your contributions to the Canteen!
You help make it a fun place to be for our military guests and their family members.
256 posted on 09/16/2003 9:18:27 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (No goats were used when I got post 250)
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To: M0sby
Today I was checking in with snopes.com to see about that e-mail that I keep seeing about the plane being delayed when the Marines were boarding (great story BTW).. just wanted to check it out...Then I came across this...
Did everybody see this and I just somehow missed it?
WOW!  Sorry for the duplicate if so, but wow!

 
From
Claim:   A mural in Iraq depicts an airplane slamming into buildings resembling the World Trade Center towers.

Status:   True.

Origins:   On 26 March 2003, a mural Mural in Nasiriya Iraqi Airlines plane showing an airplane crashing into one of two tall vertical buildings and setting it aflame (while a second airplane approaches the other building) was discovered by U.S. Marines searching Iraqi military headquarters in Nasiriya. The plane in this cheerily-hued painting bears the logo and color scheme of Iraqi Airlines.

The now famous photo, which shows two Marines in front of the mural, was taken by Joe Raedle, a photo journalist accompanying the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force from Task Force Tarawa.

No comment has so far been offered as to whether the mural pre-dates the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City or whether it was painted afterwards in celebration of same.

Barbara "artless" Mikkelson

Last updated:   30 March 2003

The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/rumors/mural.php

257 posted on 09/16/2003 9:24:15 PM PDT by M0sby (Proud Marine Corp's Wife!)
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To: M0sby
Here's hoping you get those hubby hugs in a month! (Prayers lifted to go along with those hopes, too!)
258 posted on 09/16/2003 9:28:41 PM PDT by Fawnn (NEVER FORGET!!! God Bless America! God Bless our Commander in Chief and our Troops!)
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To: Fawnn
Hugs nothin.... I want the full deal!

I want him to... to.....




BABYSIT!
259 posted on 09/16/2003 9:30:53 PM PDT by M0sby (Proud Marine Corp's Wife!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thanks, but the pleasure is all mine!

I'm sooooooooooo grateful for all of you who are actually OUT THERE doing stuff!!!
260 posted on 09/16/2003 9:32:30 PM PDT by Fawnn (NEVER FORGET!!! God Bless America! God Bless our Commander in Chief and our Troops!)
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