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Call me Miss (A woman nails feminism, some understands Orwell Alert)
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/p/pawlik/pawlik091603.htm ^ | 9-18-2003 | Amber Pawlik

Posted on 09/18/2003 11:59:30 AM PDT by longtermmemmory

Call me Miss

September 16, 2003

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- by Amber Pawlik

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Before feminism, women were referred to based on their marital status. Single women were “Miss;” married women were “Mrs.” Feminists invented the term “Ms.” to refer to a woman independent of her marital status – much like “Mr.”

I recently picked up George Orwell’s 1984 again, and came across a particularly insightful quote. I had to put the book down for quite some time after reading it; it had such an effect on me. This is when Winston visits his neighbor, goes to call her “Mrs.,” but then remembers:

“’Mrs.’ was a word somewhat discountenanced by the Party – you were supposed to call everyone ‘comrade’ – but with some women one used it instinctively.”

How can one not compare the feminist agenda of eliminating “Mrs.” in favor of the generic “Ms.,” with the Orwellian society, which also wanted to ban “Mrs.,” in favor of the equally generic “comrade”?

I don’t think I need to remind you that Orwell wrote about a society that sought to break men’s souls, control men’s minds, and submit men to the Party. They did not want “doctors” or “Mrs.es,” or any title that personalized any individual being: the Party wanted comrades. Everyone was to be the same – all united in identity-less brotherhood. Eliminating “Mrs.,” especially, i.e. respectable women who held up the family structure at home, was one step in that.

Similarly, feminists seek to turn women into identity-less, androgynous beings. The generic term Ms. takes away something personal to women: their feminine sexuality.

When we used to use Miss and Mrs., it emphasized the fact that a woman was a woman. When single women were called “Miss,” it highlighted their femininity. They were feminine, single, and available. When married women were called “Mrs.,” it highlighted their mature womanhood. It denoted a very respectable and strong matronly figure.

If you addressed women by “Miss,” men would be alerted that they could pursue the single maiden. If you called women “Mrs.,” it would alert men that she was taken, and to respect the institution of marriage.

“Ms.” changes that. Indeed, is “Ms.” not the most cold, sexless word you’ve ever heard in your life? Kind of like “comrade”?

Feminists argue that the only way for women to gain independence is to be treated like men. Hence, they wanted to be called “Ms.,” the way men are called “Mr.” The terms Miss and Mrs. define a woman based on her relationship to a man, and we can’t have that!

But what does one’s marital status have to do with female independence? What does it matter if people are aware of the fact that a woman is single or married? Is this, really, holding a woman back from actualizing on her full potential as a human being?

Feminists’ goal becomes increasingly clear. They do not want to create strong women, but to de-sexualize women, i.e. create women uninterested in and unattractive to men. I have argued before that the sole purpose of feminism was to confuse male and female (hetero)sexuality. This is further proof. Using Ms. versus Miss and Mrs. has nothing to do with a woman “retaining her identity.” It does, however, have to do with de-sexualizing women and destroying the family structure.

Think of the difference of calling me “Miss Pawlik” versus “Ms. Pawlik.” The first is alluring, the second – sexless. Do you really think if I were “Miss Pawlik,” that I wouldn’t be respected by my peers? Using “Ms.” doesn’t help a woman make her way in the work world, but using the title does put a big warning sign up to men: “I am unavailable and not interested.”

Or, try imagining a world where married women weren’t called “Mrs.” “Mrs.es” are, of course, wives and mothers. If women can’t be “Mrs.es,” it means they can’t retain this part of their feminine identity – an identity of which feminists, of course, hate.

“Ms.” is a sexless term – thuggish and cold. Some have told me they wouldn’t mind using “Ms.” to refer to an older or divorced woman. This, first of all, may serve as an insult to older and divorced women, many of whom still consider themselves feminine, attractive, and looking. But, if it is true that an older woman has become sexless and is no longer interested in men, it furthers my case that Ms. is simply sexless, and only to be used on old maids not interested in men.

Some want to know why a woman changes her name upon marriage, and not men. I propose it is because a woman does enter a job when she gets married. There is very little reason to get married other than to start a family. It is the sole purpose of marriage. Hence, as a woman gets married, she is entering a role, of which she is expected to perform certain duties. Like a doctor becomes a “Dr.,” she becomes a “Mrs.”

Indeed, there will always be a difference between how single women and married women are referred to. Even feminists admit: the only thing emphasizing Ms. has done is replace Miss with Ms (which defeats feminists’ whole purpose of using “Ms.”). And Ms. is nothing except a thuggish replacement for the more feminine Miss. No one has stopped calling married women “Mrs.” Indeed, if they ever did want to fully implement their agenda of eliminating “Mrs.,” they would have to do it by force. Can you imagine calling married women “Ms.”? A free society simply would not tolerate this. Only people watched daily by telesets and who were “vaporized” for thought crimes would make active attempts to stop using “Mrs.”

Using “Ms.,” like “comrade,” is nothing more than thought control. Feminists’ goal is exactly the same as the Party’s in George Orwell’s 1984: destroy the family structure and turn everyone over to the collective, i.e. turn them into comrades. They seek to control thought by controlling language. In 1984, the Party used newspeak, a language in which words were always being eliminated, as to control thought. If you couldn’t say it, you couldn’t think it. Similarly, by eliminating Miss and Mrs., people are limited in their thought. By eliminating the word, they eliminate knowledge. Indeed, the entire purpose of using “Ms.” was to eliminate certain knowledge through language, in this case – knowledge of if a woman was single or married.

The only thing separating feminists from the Orwellian society is at least feminists allow differentiation between women and men by using “Ms.” versus “Mr.” People aren’t all the androgynous “comrade.” The reason for this is because, as of now, feminists currently do not accept men. Hence they need their own gender specific reference. “Ms.” can be considered the female-only version of “comrade.”

But, you wonder what is next. A friend of mine, Dan Lynch, has recently read on brainwashing techniques in communist China. To make a very long story short, they work group by group. First they brainwash the women, and they don’t allow the women to date men, as men might poison their thinking. (And this certainly is a valid concern of theirs, considering most women, when they get married, become Republican). But, as soon as they can brainwash the men (and there is evidence of this, i.e. men-only groups developing victim status and becoming socialist – the real ultimate goal), then they allow the two groups to re-integrate.

And then we’ll be told there aren’t any differences between the sexes, as they have preached for quite some time. Ms. and Mr. will be abolished (more thought control through language). Then we will all be comrades. And they’ll tell us it’s all in the name of individualism.

This is a cultural battle. Some libertarian groups might argue to pick whatever title you want, avoiding the debate. But, there is a problem in that. When you go to call a stranger a name, you don’t know what they want to be called. You have to make a decision. There has to be some standard to guide people.

Most people don’t even know the difference among Ms., Miss, and Mrs. One study found over 60% of people did not know the difference. People will just do what you tell them. This battle is one of intellectual leaders trying to impose their agenda upon society. Using Ms., versus Miss and Mrs., carries with it much baggage about the role of women.

Personally, I do not believe that using “Miss” and “Mrs.” will set women back, i.e. the fear that women won’t be able to command respect in the business world (instead everyone looking at them in a sexual manner). However, if there was any such concern over that, there is no reason to refer to women at work one way and women outside of work, another.

But, of course, it is not how women at work are referred to that feminists care about. It is about how they are referred to socially. The only real thing eliminating Miss and Mrs. does is de-sexualize women and negate what relationship they have to men, which is the feminist agenda. They want to turn women into womyn.

Leftists don’t really like being reminded that Orwell’s critiques were against communism. They usually like to claim the book to be in their camp, and try to show how Orwell was talking about conservative movements. But it is a fact that Orwell was critiquing the communists. Insights like the one he provided regarding being called “Mrs.” further aides in that proof.

Mrs. and Miss are not oppressive titles. As Orwell pointed out, when Winston was at his neighbor’s house, he was supposed to refrain from calling her “Mrs.,” but he did anyway. Not because he thought less of her, but because the woman herself commanded his respect. Feminists serve to take this kind of respect away from women.

Ayn Rand obviously used Miss and Mrs. in her writings. In The Fountainhead, Dominique is referred to as “Miss Francon” throughout. And, in the very end, when someone asks her who she is, she proudly says:

“Mrs. Howard Roark.”

I will tell you now, casually, you can do the politically incorrect thing and call me Miss. I am definitely single, available, and looking, and certainly have no problem with people having access to that knowledge. And when I am married — given I will be proud to be married and of my husband — there will be no hyphenated names for me (which has to be the most impractical and stupid practice ever). In my personal life, I will embrace the role demanded of me fully. Socially, you can call me: “Mrs. (his full name).”

Amber Pawlik


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1984; business; children; comrade; father; feminist; men; mother; mr; mrs; ms; mz; orwell; sex; women
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This is a short and thought out article. She is 100% right about what happens when anyone encounters a "Mz". It always sends up the yellow flags for a problem person. A pleasant "Mz" is the rare exception not the rule. (then again, it may just be lawyers.)
1 posted on 09/18/2003 11:59:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory
I always thought Ms. was supposed to be used, when the speaker was uncertain of the woman's marital status.

Also... don't divorced women use Ms.? Would they use Mrs.?
2 posted on 09/18/2003 12:02:31 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Properly, divorced women are Mrs. if they continue to use their married name. Married women who use their maiden name are called Miss. I loathe Ms. but did find it useful in business when I did not know the marital status of the woman to whom I was writing.
3 posted on 09/18/2003 12:05:53 PM PDT by twigs
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To: longtermmemmory
My Dad told me to never trust a woman with a hyphenated last name, or who uses "Ms." as a prefix.

So far, he's been right.
4 posted on 09/18/2003 12:07:56 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("The board is set. The pieces are moving. We come to it at last...the Great Battle of our time.")
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To: twigs
One of the most pleasant laywers I have had to work with was a older woman who said to feel free to use "Mrs." for any formal corespondance. She was graciously advising of her preference.

It may be useful for out situation of unknown status but there is every social benefit for a woman to use Mrs. or Miss.

(avoid women with hyphens. Important rule of self preservation)
5 posted on 09/18/2003 12:10:56 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
read later
6 posted on 09/18/2003 12:11:14 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: longtermmemmory
Mrs. respectfully denotes an "unavailable" woman & Miss conotes a certain distance and respect
once the generic equivalent is inserted...all women are treated as "available"
it closes the distance...
7 posted on 09/18/2003 12:11:36 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: longtermmemmory
Not to mention that it's just plain awkward to pronounce. You have to emphasize it in order to make it not sound like "missus". Pain in the butt, if you ask me.
8 posted on 09/18/2003 12:11:47 PM PDT by inquest (World socialism: the ultimate multinational corporation)
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To: longtermmemmory
Official Symbol of the Feminazi movement.


9 posted on 09/18/2003 12:16:42 PM PDT by GunnyHartman
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To: longtermmemmory
Hmmm,
I was raised hearing Mzz all the time, or Ma'am. Ya know,
"I am goin' to see Mzz. Smith about a mess o' peas"

Granted, I know it was the NOW Ms., but more a show of respect.
10 posted on 09/18/2003 12:16:49 PM PDT by najida (He who is without baggage can cast the first Samsonite.)
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I always thought that taking the trouble to know and remember if a woman was a Miss or a Mrs. simply showed a small sign of respect for a woman. It is an acknowledgement that a woman is special and should be granted a bit of individuality when addressing her. It's funny that the feminists felt that was so horrible and took it away, making women seem that tiny little bit less special in the process.
11 posted on 09/18/2003 12:16:49 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: longtermmemmory
feel free to use "Mrs." for any formal corespondance.

What a gracious way of stating her preference! I'm making a note of it!

12 posted on 09/18/2003 12:17:07 PM PDT by twigs
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To: longtermmemmory
Well I am definitely a MRS! And if I were single I would prefer to be referred to as Miss. (after all, why ruin my chances with some good-lookin' guy - I'd want him to know I was available!) (giggle!)
13 posted on 09/18/2003 12:18:26 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: longtermmemmory
OTOH, My wife used only her first two initials in her published work when she was first employed as a research chemist. After ten or so years and enough patents, she now uses her "Mrs" status proudly along with her first name indicating her female status. It's one thing for a company to hire a female in a heavy industry line of work. It's another for that female to be productive and get cooperation from industry peers. In order to get the respect and trust, you've got a long uphill climb in some professions. My wife will tell you it's well worth it though.

I'm not stepping into the deep sinister ideas of social engineering like the author, I'm sometimes saying that there is an easy explanation of our own making for some of the length's women need to go to in order to make a contribution in male dominated arena's. It just gives the crazy feminists a means to act poorly, expecting the public to accept it.

14 posted on 09/18/2003 12:20:43 PM PDT by blackdog ("But to me Joy means only sorrow, and America is one big Joy ride")
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I won't use THEIR term for Mrs.,Miss.....

..I never have...never will....because I know where it originated and it's been a button pusher for me for years!

When my husband was in grad school, and we were married, the feminists were infiltrating the campuses & targeting the wives (mostly with babies) of students and promoting their propaganda.
...they hammered us---at first with velvet tones---how bored, unappreciated we must feel....

...and if we disagreed, it got ugly!!!

I know of what I speak.....I innocently went to their meeting....

..as naive as I was, I knew this didn't sound right.

I'm sick of the feminist agenda!

Even after all this time, I truly hate to get mail addressed to Ms.

If they can't take the time to find out my status, then I don't feel guilty in tossing their mail!

15 posted on 09/18/2003 12:22:22 PM PDT by Guenevere (..., .I'm a Mrs!!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Ms.” doesn’t help a woman make her way in the work world, but using the title does put a big warning sign up to men:

I WILL BUST YOUR b@lls
16 posted on 09/18/2003 12:22:40 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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Using “Ms.” doesn’t help a woman make her way in the work world, but using the title does put a big warning sign up to men: “I am unavailable and not interested.”

Yes. Right. But Orwellian? Snorewellian. Writer digging into vacant corners for material. This is a non-issue.

Ms. was a useful term when I was out working in the world when women's lib came along. "Miss" might make one vulnerable to unwanted advances then, thus Ms sent a message that needed to be sent. Things are so different now, Ms might not be necessary or useful.

However, I do agree that feminists are nasty ugly defeminizing control freaks. Story: I attended a performance by a very funny woman comedian in Santa Rosa, CA (No, she didn't hate men, quite the contrary.) I went back to the lobby seeking the ladies room. I asked an usher-looking person. She frowned. "You mean the women's room!" "No, I mean the ladies' room." She actually argued and wasn't going to tell me until I changed my phrasing....Found the ladies on my own.

17 posted on 09/18/2003 12:29:21 PM PDT by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the CORRUPT liberal media)
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To: showme_the_Glory
Nothing pisses off a woman who's clawed her way to the top, only to have some Wharton grad join the company and zero in on the first lunch table full of women on her first day and start the "Glass Ceiling accusations, harrassment talk, victim of alpha male agression, etc...." conversations.

My mom used to look for it with each new female hire where she used to work(before Lou Gherig's took her), and once that crap came out, she would put a broom in their office with a note that said "clean up your act or ride it out.......Any questions, come see me". That usually set the tone.

18 posted on 09/18/2003 12:32:30 PM PDT by blackdog ("But to me Joy means only sorrow, and America is one big Joy ride")
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To: Ohioan
interesting article
19 posted on 09/18/2003 12:34:19 PM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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I use "Ms." all the time in business correspondence when I am uncertain of the woman's maritial status and have no easy way to ascertain it.
20 posted on 09/18/2003 12:38:54 PM PDT by The Green Goblin
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