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Kennedy/Kerry:"If the bishops won't do anything about that, don't come to me. It's their problem."
FIRST THINGS ^ | October 2003 | Richard John Neuhaus

Posted on 09/22/2003 11:21:24 AM PDT by Polycarp

From FIRST THINGS, October, 2003, The Public Square, p. 83:

"It's the Bishops' Problem" is the title of Tom Bethell's column in the AMERICAN SPECTATOR. He's not talking about the sex-abuse scandals but what he views as episcopal silence or cowardice with respect to Catholic witness in the public square. When Senator Rick Santorum was ferociously attacked for simply stating the Catholic view -- and the view of most Americans -- on homosexuality, Bethell says "we did not hear from the Catholic bishops." In fact, Anthony Cardinal Bevilacqua of Philadelphia did publicly support Santorum, and he and other bishops offered to do more, but Santorum's office asked them to hold off. It would, some thought, be counterproductive to make it "a Catholic issue."

In 1984, Bethell writes, "the question arose whether John Cardinal O'Connor would dare to excommunicate the pro-abortion vice presidential candidate, Geraldine Ferraro. For a brief moment, we held our breath. But he did no such thing. Little did we know that O'Connor was a pliant figurehead who was not remotely interested in opposing New York's Democratic liberal establishment." That's a cheap shot, and inaccurate to boot. O'Connor challenged the liberal political establishment on many things -- on school aid, the homosexual agenda, the freedom of the Church to run its social programs without government interference, and, again and again and again, on abortion. But it's true, there were no excommunications.

Bethell makes an important point. He tells about a pro-life journalist who recently managed to corner Senators Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. The journalist pressed them on how they square being Catholic, and at the same time, unqualifiedly pro-abortion. Kennedy said, "I take my beliefs, I take my religion, very seriously. Look, I know who I am and what I believe." Then, speaking of the bishops, he said, "It's their problem, not mine." Kerry responded to the reporter's question, "If the bishops can't do and won't say anything about that, don't come to me. You know what I'm saying?" Bethell suggestively sets the two statements side by side --"If the bishops can't or won't do anything about that, don't come to me. It's their problem, not mine" -- and says the Senators are right. It is the bishops' problem, he says.

The way to deal with it, he says, is for the bishops of Kennedy, Kerry, and the many others who take the same position to call them in and say: "Look, we just can't have this. It is causing grave scandal. And your soul is in jeopardy. Either you change your mind, or you will be separated from the Church. Then maybe you will believe that we take our church affairs seriously as you take your affairs of state." In short, church discipline and, if it comes to that, excommunication, which is simply the public statement that a person has by grave, knowing, obdurate, and public sin separated himself from the communion of the Church.

Bethell is by no means alone in being puzzled and disappointed by episcopal leadership, or non-leadership, on this score. I have been asked hundreds of times, "Why don't the bishops do something about ___________?" (With Senator Kennedy, not surprisingly, most frequently mentioned.) The question is asked with a mix of poignancy and anger by the most faithful Catholics, and especially those who have sacrificed much for the pro-life cause. I'm afraid I don't have a very good answer for those who ask, although over the years I've talked with many knowledgeable people about it, including many bishops. Some bishops have taken bold initiatives, as, very recently, in the cases of Governor Gray Davis of California and Senator Tom Daschle, but they stop well short of public excommunication.

The Meaning of "PASTORAL"

Most bishops are, first of all, managers. That's not the way it is supposed to be, but it is the way it is. They are burdened and distracted by many things. Anyone who wants to be a bishop these days is either a saint or manifestly disqualified for the job. The latter may not prevent him from getting it. Most bishops are averse to controversy and terrified of confrontation. They see it as their job to keep everybody on board, not to rock the boat, and so forth. This is called being "pastoral'" a rich word much debased. They know that almost every nationally prominent Democratic politician who is a Catholic is also pro-choice, and the same is true of some Republicans. They recognize that it is a problem, even a public scandal. They, too, have been asked the question. In many cases, they are tired of being asked it, probably because they, too, don't have a very good answer.

Some of them say that efforts are being made behind the scenes. Speaking of one prominent politician, an archbishop tells me, "I can't tell you how often I've wrestled him to the mat on this." Apparently the politician won every time. He continues to be in the front lines of the pro-abortion cause, and to regularly receive the Eucharist. After more than thirty years, talk about what is being done behind the scenes is not very convincing. In another case, a bishop tells me that the politician claims his spiritual director assures him that his pro-abortion position is perfectly compatible with Catholic teaching. His spiritual director is a Jesuit. The bishop says nobody can expect him to take on the entire Society of Jesus. One might expect that, but, unfortunately, one doesn't. Yet another bishop says that he is not sure whether an egregiously offending politician is in his diocese or registered in the parish of a different diocese, and is therefore the responsibility of another bishop. I respectfully suggested the question might be clarified by a simple phone call. Yet another bishop friend is very candid in saying that we all know the answer to the question: all hell would break loose. The papers and networks would be down on the heads of the bishops, and we would witness an explosion of anti-Catholicism that would make the sex-abuse scandals of the past year look like a minor rough spot.

It is also pointed out that Rome has not demanded, or given any indication of favoring, more public action by the bishops. Politically prominent pro-abortion Catholics in Italy, France, and Germany, for instance, are not subject to public discipline. Why should America be different? So the bishops have thought about the problem -- although I do not know who was thinking what when Mr. Leon Panetta, a proponent even of partial-birth abortion, was appointed to the National Review Board. The bishops have an official policy against putting prominent pro-abortion proponents in situations of trust or honor in Catholic programs and institutions, lest it cause pubic [sic] scandal. One may be forgiven for wondering how serious they are about that policy.

"The Catechism of the Catholic Church" is clear enough: "Certain particularly grave sins incur excommunication, the most severe penalty, which impedes the reception of the sacraments and the exercise of certain ecclesiastical acts, and for which absolution consequently cannot be granted except by the pope, the bishop of the place, or priests authorized by them. In danger of death, any priest, even if deprived of faculties for hearing confessions, can absolve from every sin and excommunication." Assuming, of course, that the sinner is penitent.

We may not need a string of highly publicized excommunications, but the Catholic people certainly deserve a more adequate explanation of what appears to be episcopal indifference to prominent Catholics who, in explicit and persistent defiance of the Church's teaching, promote and abet the "abominable crime" (Vatican II) of abortion. Canon law states, "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae [automatically] by the very commission of the offense." Why is a frightened young woman who procures an abortion excommunicate while a politician who encourages her by telling her it is her right to do so, and works to secure her liberty to do so, welcomed at the altar? Why are prominent Catholics who persistently and publicly promote what the Church calls the culture of death apparently immune from public discipline? The Catholic people have waited a very long time for convincing answers to these questions.

Until such answers are forthcoming, it would seem that Senators Kennedy and Kerry are right. "If the bishops can't or won't do anything about that, don't come to me. It's their problem, not mine." Call it taunting, or call it throwing down the gauntlet, but Kennedy and Kerry have rendered an important service by clarifying that it is up to the bishops to make their problem the problem also of Kennedy, Kerry, and a host of others who count on bishops not having the nerve to be bishops. That, at least, is how many faithful Catholics see the matter. If they're wrong, maybe the bishops, or at least some bishops, will explain why they're wrong. Publicly.


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To: Polycarp
>>Um... name one.

>Every Catholic one. An excommunication can be latae sententiae; latae sententiae excommunication = automatic sentence of excommunication.

I specifically referred to *individual* excommunication.
21 posted on 09/22/2003 12:28:00 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
I specifically referred to *individual* excommunication.

Whether an excommunication is accompanied by public bells and whistles doesn't affect the nature of excommunication.

22 posted on 09/22/2003 12:31:01 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Aquinasfan
If at the time of the wedding Ted didn't consider marriage to be a lifetime commitment, then grounds for an annulment exists.

This is news to me, but I'll accept what you say. This tells me about how some "grounds for an annulment" might exist. Fine. But, if Joe Catholic goes to his priest and indicates that he and Martha are going to breakup after 20 years of marriage -- can he quickly and easily get an annulment? Just by saying, "On my wedding day, I said to myself, 'Joe, it's not like this is a lifetime commitment, or anything!'"

Whether grounds exist or not, the real question is who gets granted the annulment. Some folks do, and some folks don't. Kennedys do. Because the church is looking out for number one.

23 posted on 09/22/2003 12:33:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: Polycarp
A few years ago, as I was walking with a friend across the Boston Common after finishing the Walk for Life, we noticed Sen. Kerry pitching in a softball game. We were pretty surprised. Someone on his staff must have screwed up big time. Anyway, we walked up behind the backstop and held up our signs for a few minutes. Then we shouted, "Senator Kerry, defend life!"

He didn't flinch. We hung out for a few more minutes and then moved on.

24 posted on 09/22/2003 12:37:37 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Whether grounds exist or not, the real question is who gets granted the annulment. Some folks do, and some folks don't. Kennedys do. Because the church is looking out for number one.

It's very difficult to generalize about annulments because the findings are supposed to be secret, as far as I know. In fact, I don't know whether Ted has received one. Do you? Regardless, the grounds probably exist.

25 posted on 09/22/2003 12:44:37 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Actually, I don't know Ted's situation. I do know that Joseph P. Kennedy got an annulment (maybe 10 years ago) after a long marriage with 2 children. I forget his "reason" but it seemed totally trivial to me -- yet he got the annulment with no trouble (Cardinal Law assisting).
26 posted on 09/22/2003 12:49:51 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: Polycarp
I believe that the third Fatima prophecy has not been fully revealed by the Church. I believe, as does the Blue Army, that the reason the third Fatima prophecy hasn't been revealed is that it foretells of a period of great heresy and schism within the Church unseen since the beginning of the Protestant Reformation. Further, the perpetrators of this heresy and schism will be that third of the clerical class who have abandoned the true Church and are working to destroy the Church by undermining it as an institution. This includes the travesties of Vatican II, "Ecumenism", "liberation theology", sexual perversity, equivocation about abortion and homosexuality, and all of the other examples we see of clerical cowardice, duplicity, and rapacity at the highest levels of the Church.

Let us pray!
27 posted on 09/22/2003 12:52:03 PM PDT by vanmorrison
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To: sitetest; Polycarp
I love First Things and most especially "The Public Square" by Fr. Neuhaus.

BUT MY SUBSCRIPTION IS ALWAYS LATE!!! I haven't yet gotten the October issue.

Great article, polycarp, thanks for typing it up.

28 posted on 09/22/2003 12:54:10 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: ClearCase_guy
To be fair, I don't know anyone who hasn't gotten an annulment who has applied for one in the Archdiocese of Boston.
29 posted on 09/22/2003 12:55:59 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: ClearCase_guy
The Catholic Church long ago lost any moral authority it may have had. The bishops are too worried about being politically correct - afraid to offend and drive away donations?
The Church should be the voice of Morality in the morass of immorality so prevelant in our society - yet it's silence reverberates loud and clear.
I spent 15 years in Catholic schools, and can only imagine that the teachers I had would be mortified to find themselves in the Catholic Church that is the church of today!
30 posted on 09/22/2003 1:10:10 PM PDT by Froggie
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To: Polycarp
All those years and all that money spent by a friend of my parents to get back into the church due to a divorce. Was it a waste?
31 posted on 09/22/2003 1:18:19 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: freekitty
Was it a waste?

Not if they truly had a case for an annulment. That is a question only your friend, and ultimately God, can answer.

32 posted on 09/22/2003 1:36:28 PM PDT by Polycarp ("The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp)
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To: dangus; Polycarp; Salvation; NYer
Please tell me more about Cardinal Bernadin. I am at a Catholic Center (at a university, guess which one), that looks at Bernadin kindly, because he really supported the Center. I know he was theologically liberal, but how liberal? Info and links would help. God Bless

P.S. Nothing accusatorial, I've heard some of the rumors, and since he is no longer alive to defend himself as the the veracity of it, I would prefer evidence of cold hard stated facts on matter of Church Theology (I am not minimizing the accusations, I guess I am just inclined to leave the Dead in peace).
33 posted on 09/22/2003 1:37:12 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: american colleen
thanks for typing it up.

LOL! See post # 8. Sitetest and I already did this comedy routine.

34 posted on 09/22/2003 1:38:15 PM PDT by Polycarp ("The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp)
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Thread: The Beginning of The End of The Bernardin Legacy & The Many Faces of Cardinal Bernardin
35 posted on 09/22/2003 1:44:19 PM PDT by Polycarp ("The only thing worse than being patronized is being piously patronized." --FReeper Polycarp)
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To: Polycarp
Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, Dick Gebhardt, Bill Clinton, Al Gore and more used to be pro-life. In the case of Kennedy, I am looking at a quote from 1971 where he states that life, even at its earliest stages has the right to be recognized and born. (My thanks to nickcarraway on a 6/7/03 post).

What "changes" the minds of these slimy politicians is money... buckets of it from the abortion industry and its lobbyists. Society and the media have sold nearly two generations of Americans lies about human fetuses and even those who know better seem to turn away in indifference.

Will the Church take a tougher stand and show morally incoherent Catholic politicians the door instead of the Eucharist? Unlikely at this point, IMO. It's up to the faithful to rise up and be counted. If you support abortion or pro-abortion politicians, you have no business coming to Christ's table. Why should there even be a need for the group Priests for Life? That should tell us what a mess the hierarchy is in today.
36 posted on 09/22/2003 1:44:41 PM PDT by A-teamMom
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To: Polycarp
Thanks for the ping. We do need answers.
37 posted on 09/22/2003 1:45:31 PM PDT by A-teamMom
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To: Polycarp
I read some of the thread you referenced. I was in Bernadin's parish in Chicago from 1990-1992. I was married in Holy Name Cathedral. They wouldn't even let my grandfather sing at my wedding, but it is alright to have a homosexual choir?

I was completely unaware of any of the political machinations of that parish. I was young and not as active. I cannot recall, however, even one sermon on the evils of abortion.
38 posted on 09/22/2003 1:55:48 PM PDT by A-teamMom
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To: NWU Army ROTC
I'll tell you what I know, as someone who spent six years in the Archdiocese of Chicago and taught a confirmation class.

(1) Cardinal Bernardin was very careful not to make any theologically controversial statements.

He meticulously cultivated the image of a great uniter. He sponsored Jewish/Christian dialogue (good idea, but limited in practice) and started something called the "Catholic Common Ground Initiative" which was supposed to put orthodox Catholics into dialogue with apostate organizations (like We Are Church, etc.) in order to reach "common ground."

(2) With the exception of St. John Cantius parish and Masses sponsored by Opus Dei, I never saw a normal Mass celebrated according to the rubrics.

The Cathedral of the Holy Name, his Cathedral, was one of the worst offenders.

While his sermons were exceedingly bland and devoid of content, various sermons preached by others from his pulpit were full of heretical ideas (implied approval of artificial birth control, implied approval of sodomy, etc.)

The teachers and materials I worked with in my confirmation class were uniformly heterodox and disturbing. His chancery did not even respond to my complaints - so I set aside the assigned material and simply taught from the Catechism.

(3) Bernardin was the chief proponent and formulator of the "seamless garment" or "consistent ethic of life" movement. This movement set back the pro-life movement in the Church severely by equating capital punishment with abortion and thereby diluting the focused pro-life message.

It was suggested again and again by the "seamless garment" people that the Church forbids capital punishment, that the death penalty is as great a tragedy as abortion etc.

(4) Cardinal Bernardin gave much encouragement to the sodomites by allowing Dignity USA to operate freely and hold mass meetings in his diocese, he allowed his clergy to officiate at their proceedings and did nothing when they held unofficial Masses at his own cathedral.

At his funeral, the music was provided, at his request, by the Windy City Gay Men's choir.

Cardinal Bernardin did not openly teach heresy - that might have threatened his job and his clout.

What he did do was encourage his heterodox subordinates, permit heterodox groups to operate unchallenged in his diocese and to lead two movements that encourage moral Indifferentism and doctrinal Indifferentism.

39 posted on 09/22/2003 2:05:04 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Aquinasfan
It's very difficult to generalize about annulments because the findings are supposed to be secret, as far as I know. In fact, I don't know whether Ted has received one. Do you? Regardless, the grounds probably exist.

I don't know the details, but yes, the first marriage was annulled and from all reports there were plenty of grounds, starting with her alcoholism (she was more unstable than he was) and other addictions that she wouldn't address. Not to mention his. It was done VERY quietly, though.

The nephews - I'm not sure if there were legitimate grounds or not. Nobody's supposed to know unless either of the parties says something.
40 posted on 09/22/2003 2:11:03 PM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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