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Kennedy/Kerry:"If the bishops won't do anything about that, don't come to me. It's their problem."
FIRST THINGS ^ | October 2003 | Richard John Neuhaus

Posted on 09/22/2003 11:21:24 AM PDT by Polycarp

From FIRST THINGS, October, 2003, The Public Square, p. 83:

"It's the Bishops' Problem" is the title of Tom Bethell's column in the AMERICAN SPECTATOR. He's not talking about the sex-abuse scandals but what he views as episcopal silence or cowardice with respect to Catholic witness in the public square. When Senator Rick Santorum was ferociously attacked for simply stating the Catholic view -- and the view of most Americans -- on homosexuality, Bethell says "we did not hear from the Catholic bishops." In fact, Anthony Cardinal Bevilacqua of Philadelphia did publicly support Santorum, and he and other bishops offered to do more, but Santorum's office asked them to hold off. It would, some thought, be counterproductive to make it "a Catholic issue."

In 1984, Bethell writes, "the question arose whether John Cardinal O'Connor would dare to excommunicate the pro-abortion vice presidential candidate, Geraldine Ferraro. For a brief moment, we held our breath. But he did no such thing. Little did we know that O'Connor was a pliant figurehead who was not remotely interested in opposing New York's Democratic liberal establishment." That's a cheap shot, and inaccurate to boot. O'Connor challenged the liberal political establishment on many things -- on school aid, the homosexual agenda, the freedom of the Church to run its social programs without government interference, and, again and again and again, on abortion. But it's true, there were no excommunications.

Bethell makes an important point. He tells about a pro-life journalist who recently managed to corner Senators Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. The journalist pressed them on how they square being Catholic, and at the same time, unqualifiedly pro-abortion. Kennedy said, "I take my beliefs, I take my religion, very seriously. Look, I know who I am and what I believe." Then, speaking of the bishops, he said, "It's their problem, not mine." Kerry responded to the reporter's question, "If the bishops can't do and won't say anything about that, don't come to me. You know what I'm saying?" Bethell suggestively sets the two statements side by side --"If the bishops can't or won't do anything about that, don't come to me. It's their problem, not mine" -- and says the Senators are right. It is the bishops' problem, he says.

The way to deal with it, he says, is for the bishops of Kennedy, Kerry, and the many others who take the same position to call them in and say: "Look, we just can't have this. It is causing grave scandal. And your soul is in jeopardy. Either you change your mind, or you will be separated from the Church. Then maybe you will believe that we take our church affairs seriously as you take your affairs of state." In short, church discipline and, if it comes to that, excommunication, which is simply the public statement that a person has by grave, knowing, obdurate, and public sin separated himself from the communion of the Church.

Bethell is by no means alone in being puzzled and disappointed by episcopal leadership, or non-leadership, on this score. I have been asked hundreds of times, "Why don't the bishops do something about ___________?" (With Senator Kennedy, not surprisingly, most frequently mentioned.) The question is asked with a mix of poignancy and anger by the most faithful Catholics, and especially those who have sacrificed much for the pro-life cause. I'm afraid I don't have a very good answer for those who ask, although over the years I've talked with many knowledgeable people about it, including many bishops. Some bishops have taken bold initiatives, as, very recently, in the cases of Governor Gray Davis of California and Senator Tom Daschle, but they stop well short of public excommunication.

The Meaning of "PASTORAL"

Most bishops are, first of all, managers. That's not the way it is supposed to be, but it is the way it is. They are burdened and distracted by many things. Anyone who wants to be a bishop these days is either a saint or manifestly disqualified for the job. The latter may not prevent him from getting it. Most bishops are averse to controversy and terrified of confrontation. They see it as their job to keep everybody on board, not to rock the boat, and so forth. This is called being "pastoral'" a rich word much debased. They know that almost every nationally prominent Democratic politician who is a Catholic is also pro-choice, and the same is true of some Republicans. They recognize that it is a problem, even a public scandal. They, too, have been asked the question. In many cases, they are tired of being asked it, probably because they, too, don't have a very good answer.

Some of them say that efforts are being made behind the scenes. Speaking of one prominent politician, an archbishop tells me, "I can't tell you how often I've wrestled him to the mat on this." Apparently the politician won every time. He continues to be in the front lines of the pro-abortion cause, and to regularly receive the Eucharist. After more than thirty years, talk about what is being done behind the scenes is not very convincing. In another case, a bishop tells me that the politician claims his spiritual director assures him that his pro-abortion position is perfectly compatible with Catholic teaching. His spiritual director is a Jesuit. The bishop says nobody can expect him to take on the entire Society of Jesus. One might expect that, but, unfortunately, one doesn't. Yet another bishop says that he is not sure whether an egregiously offending politician is in his diocese or registered in the parish of a different diocese, and is therefore the responsibility of another bishop. I respectfully suggested the question might be clarified by a simple phone call. Yet another bishop friend is very candid in saying that we all know the answer to the question: all hell would break loose. The papers and networks would be down on the heads of the bishops, and we would witness an explosion of anti-Catholicism that would make the sex-abuse scandals of the past year look like a minor rough spot.

It is also pointed out that Rome has not demanded, or given any indication of favoring, more public action by the bishops. Politically prominent pro-abortion Catholics in Italy, France, and Germany, for instance, are not subject to public discipline. Why should America be different? So the bishops have thought about the problem -- although I do not know who was thinking what when Mr. Leon Panetta, a proponent even of partial-birth abortion, was appointed to the National Review Board. The bishops have an official policy against putting prominent pro-abortion proponents in situations of trust or honor in Catholic programs and institutions, lest it cause pubic [sic] scandal. One may be forgiven for wondering how serious they are about that policy.

"The Catechism of the Catholic Church" is clear enough: "Certain particularly grave sins incur excommunication, the most severe penalty, which impedes the reception of the sacraments and the exercise of certain ecclesiastical acts, and for which absolution consequently cannot be granted except by the pope, the bishop of the place, or priests authorized by them. In danger of death, any priest, even if deprived of faculties for hearing confessions, can absolve from every sin and excommunication." Assuming, of course, that the sinner is penitent.

We may not need a string of highly publicized excommunications, but the Catholic people certainly deserve a more adequate explanation of what appears to be episcopal indifference to prominent Catholics who, in explicit and persistent defiance of the Church's teaching, promote and abet the "abominable crime" (Vatican II) of abortion. Canon law states, "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae [automatically] by the very commission of the offense." Why is a frightened young woman who procures an abortion excommunicate while a politician who encourages her by telling her it is her right to do so, and works to secure her liberty to do so, welcomed at the altar? Why are prominent Catholics who persistently and publicly promote what the Church calls the culture of death apparently immune from public discipline? The Catholic people have waited a very long time for convincing answers to these questions.

Until such answers are forthcoming, it would seem that Senators Kennedy and Kerry are right. "If the bishops can't or won't do anything about that, don't come to me. It's their problem, not mine." Call it taunting, or call it throwing down the gauntlet, but Kennedy and Kerry have rendered an important service by clarifying that it is up to the bishops to make their problem the problem also of Kennedy, Kerry, and a host of others who count on bishops not having the nerve to be bishops. That, at least, is how many faithful Catholics see the matter. If they're wrong, maybe the bishops, or at least some bishops, will explain why they're wrong. Publicly.


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To: ClearCase_guy
"I do know that Joseph P. Kennedy got an annulment (maybe 10 years ago) after a long marriage with 2 children."

Is this the guy who got killed skiing? If so, his ex-wife was fighting the annulment tooth & nail, and was prepared to go "all the way to Rome", or so I heard. And she wasn't even a Catholic, but an Episcopalian. I guess she thought the ex-hubby was just full of cr*p. But, of course, it was all moot when he died.
41 posted on 09/22/2003 2:35:12 PM PDT by jocon307 (Where is Chat? And how did I get here?)
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To: NWU Army ROTC
The U.S. Council of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), under Bernadin's rule, became a blantantly apostate, and left-wing organization, virtually indistinguishable from the National Council of Churches (NCC). (The NCC was the brainchild of KGB operatives. This isn't tinfoil hat stuff -- Readers' Digest had a good article surveying the history, but I forget the author and date. Early '90s)

The USCCB frequently got into leftist political issues of which the Magisterium has no authority on, including opposing tax cuts, blaming Reagen for the millions of homeless Carter dumped on the street, and most wretchedly, calling for unilateral disarmament. (The Pope stepped in to modify the original Arms Control document.) They had precious little to say about Catholic politicians like Ted Kennedy and Geraldine Ferraro supporting abortion "rights." While frequently praising Democratic (and pro-choice) politicians for their work to reward mothers for living in sin, etc., they never once spoke positively of Reagen for ending the nightmare of the atheist Soviet empire, or opposing abortion.

Bernadin continued the policy of his predecessor in endorsing the New American Bible, which espouses apostasy on every page. (The miracle of loaves and fishes didn't really happen! The battle of Jericho was allegorical! Jesus *couln't* have predicted the fall of the Temple; it was added by anti-simitic evangelists!)

Meanwhile, he encouraged groups which argued for legitimizing homosexuality and abortion; he implied uncertainty about the morality of birth control; he filled the nation's episcopate with weak, sinful man; he was a close friend of pedophiles and perverts; and he was the cheif promulgator of the Americanist heresy of "cafeteria Catholicism".

Measuring evil by not only malevolence, but also the possession of the power to implement wickedness, he was quite possibly the most evil man in the history of the U.S. Catholic Church.
42 posted on 09/22/2003 2:40:39 PM PDT by dangus
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To: wideawake
>>If you disagree, please explain why Kennedy's can be so pro-abortion without repercussion, and how they can get divorced (excuse me, annulled) so easily.

In all fairness, I *love* the grounds for which they granted Joe Kennedy's annulment: Mental incapacity. He got the annulment, but it destroyed him politically. As much as I loathed him, Cardinal Law occasionally got it right.
43 posted on 09/22/2003 2:43:29 PM PDT by dangus
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To: wideawake
An excellent summation. Rembert Weakland was a disciple of Bernardin--and operated in exactly the same way, usually with different issues. Weakland was the "liturgy" guy, and dabbled in economics, poorly, e.g.

44 posted on 09/22/2003 2:50:44 PM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: dangus
Measuring evil by not only malevolence, but also the possession of the power to implement wickedness, he was quite possibly the most evil man in the history of the U.S. Catholic Church.

Thus also spaketh Malachi Martin.

45 posted on 09/22/2003 2:52:25 PM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: dangus
I knew he was theologically liberal, his "seamless garment" is enough to see that, but sounds like he was loony left. Does he have any writings that would seem to indicate heterodox sentiments/leanings (love physical, documented evidence).
46 posted on 09/22/2003 2:58:14 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: wideawake
>> Whether an excommunication is accompanied by public bells and whistles doesn't affect the nature of excommunication.

Well, yeah, but if we're talking about private matters, Ted can burn in hell. Excommunicating him in that sense hardly adds to the penalty, ya think?
47 posted on 09/22/2003 2:59:55 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Desdemona; Aquinasfan
The old "Kennedy's-get-annulments-cause-they-have-money-blah, blah, blah" statement.

I remember a Priest saying it succinctly. People like the Kennedy's and Sinatra were granted "late" annulments because they lived such screwed up lives.

48 posted on 09/22/2003 3:00:02 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: NWU Army ROTC
Read the NAB footnotes; read the 1st draft of the USCCB's anti-nuke platform; and look up the web pages of these groups which have been mentionned. He was very smart not to directly speak heresy, *but* he provided material aid and support to every heretical group in the country.
49 posted on 09/22/2003 3:03:39 PM PDT by dangus
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To: ClearCase_guy
You aren't wrong....sadly. Cardinal Law is paying for being LIBERAL and attaching himself to these pro-abortion...pro-homo powers.
50 posted on 09/22/2003 3:07:36 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Polycarp
What we have here, is a failure, to excommunicate!
51 posted on 09/22/2003 3:09:34 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: jocon307
No, Michael Kennedy was the one who died skiing.

But, if the wife fighting the annulment was Episcopalian - that works in his favor, not hers. It depends on the circumstances.
52 posted on 09/22/2003 3:17:30 PM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: TotusTuus
I remember a Priest saying it succinctly. People like the Kennedy's and Sinatra were granted "late" annulments because they lived such screwed up lives.

True, but in Ted Kennedy's case, it was never a marriage. Joan was a fruitcake and really, they never should have been allowed to marry.
53 posted on 09/22/2003 3:19:50 PM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: dangus
I never really had a problem with the NAB. Probably because I never read the footnotes. I will have to look at them. I know the translation is poor, but I tend to feel that any translation takes away from the original. Someday I'll get around to buying a Vulgate, but my Greek is too poor to actually sit down and read the Greek. I'll have to settle for Latin, and that'll just take me forever.
54 posted on 09/22/2003 3:59:31 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: NWU Army ROTC
I like the Jerusalem Bible.
55 posted on 09/22/2003 9:30:07 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Desdemona
Joan was a fruitcake and really, they never should have been allowed to marry

I never thought of her as a fruitcake in the early years. I believed he drove her to drink!

Having grown up in Catholic school, I never heard of alcoholism as being grounds for an annulment. We were taught that marriage was a Sacrament involving lifelong commitment 'for better or worse'.

56 posted on 09/22/2003 9:39:40 PM PDT by potlatch (If you want breakfast in bed - - - sleep in the kitchen!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I forget his "reason" but it seemed totally trivial to me -- yet he got the annulment with no trouble (Cardinal Law assisting).

I can't argue the facts of this case. But in principle, abuses can occur in the annulment process. The Church doesn't regard the findings of a tribunal to be infallible. However, a good practicing Catholic is obligated to abide by the decision of a tribunal, and the Church teaches that a person who abides by an incorrect finding of a tribunal will not be considered to have sinned.

57 posted on 09/23/2003 4:47:38 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: TotusTuus
I remember a Priest saying it succinctly. People like the Kennedy's and Sinatra were granted "late" annulments because they lived such screwed up lives.

The tribunal only considers the facts leading up to and including the wedding. What happens afterwards is generally irrelevant since what the tribunal seeks to determine is whether a valid wedding/marriage took place.

These annulments were probably "late" because they were applied for many years after the wedding. But the timing is irrelevant, since what matters is whether a valid wedding/marriage took place.

58 posted on 09/23/2003 4:58:26 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: potlatch
It's not alcoholism itself that is grounds, it's failure to address an addiction that gets in the way of the marriage. I know more than one person who was granted annulment with this as the leading cause of a whole lot of other problems.

I know one woman who was married to an ex-priest, who left the priesthood for her, and then left her for another woman who was granted annulment based on his instability.

I know of any number of marriages annulled when one side or the other wouldn't have children. That's automatic grounds.

There's any number of things that are grounds. Abuse is. Inability to form a marriage relationship. The problem is proving it.
59 posted on 09/23/2003 5:45:52 AM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: Aquinasfan
These annulments were probably "late" because they were applied for many years after the wedding. But the timing is irrelevant, since what matters is whether a valid wedding/marriage took place.

Yea, I didn't get the quote down exactly, but that is what he was driving at. The sense that their "marriages" were a mess right from the very beginning, such that impediments to valid vows existed. The "lateness" would hopefully indicate that these individuals would wanat to start living a validm Catholic vocation. We can only hope.

60 posted on 09/23/2003 2:57:31 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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