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Recall down to a Schwarzenegger-Davis duel
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | September 28, 2003 | Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross

Posted on 09/28/2003 7:41:12 AM PDT by Dog Gone

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:44:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Forget the Cruz Bustamante "fallback strategy" or the long list of other candidates -- when all is said and done, the recall race is coming down to a face-off between Gov. Gray Davis and Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger, internal tracking polls show.


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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bustamante; graydavis; mcclintock; polls; recall; schwarzenegger
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1 posted on 09/28/2003 7:41:12 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone; BibChr; onyx; PhiKapMom; Tamsey; redlipstick; habs4ever; My2Cents; South40; ...
Poll Ping!
2 posted on 09/28/2003 7:46:37 AM PDT by EggsAckley (..........................I report......THEY decide.....................)
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To: Dog Gone
Overnight polls taken statewide since Wednesday night's rollicking debate show that contrary to many pundits' conclusions, Schwarzenegger's barb-driven performance didn't hurt him with voters. Far from it.

LOL! The pants-wetting pundits are so far out of the loop. Voters react positively to strong yet polite candidates. The Left has only cowardly bullies. There's a big difference.

3 posted on 09/28/2003 7:47:08 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Dave S
Well, this is interesting, at any rate.
4 posted on 09/28/2003 7:49:20 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
the same tracking polls are finding that anywhere from 10 percent to 30 percent of Democrats who say they are voting "no" on the recall are going to leave the rest of the ballot blank.

Excellent news.

5 posted on 09/28/2003 7:54:46 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
In other words -- Arnold is No. 1, even with rival Republican McClintock staying in the race.

For the past month I've been convinced that McClintock's candidacy won't make a bit of difference in this race. And all these intra-party firefights about who should withdraw for the good of the party are disgusting. At this late date any of the candidates could withdraw without making a significant difference in the vote tally. The ballots are printed and the voters will select their favorite (or favorites in some cases) regardless of who is still in the race.

6 posted on 09/28/2003 7:56:05 AM PDT by SBprone
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To: Dog Gone
Ooh! So the Demo's have their "principled" kamikazes, too? Well, that IS a bit encouraging! (c8

Dan
7 posted on 09/28/2003 7:56:19 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Dog Gone
Ah, Mr. Davis, will you please shut the lights out on your way out the door? We have a budget shortfall, you know."
8 posted on 09/28/2003 8:00:00 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: Dog Gone
Even the San Francisco Chrionicle, quoting union polls of all things, is now confirming my predictions for this race, a month ago. The only thing this poll does not project is what the two Stanford polls did show.

Recall that the Stanford polls were the only ones which did not ask the voters who they preferred. Instead, it presented them with the actual "laundry list" ballot and let them choose their candidates by voting. The "also-rans" shrank to almost nothing, and Schwarzenegger was the primary beneficiary of those losses by the also-rans.

Crank in the mechanics of the election itself -- the incredible ballot -- and this race shakes out as I described it. Davis loses. Schwarzenegger wins (even with McClintock in the election). Total vote for recall will be significantly higher than total vote for replacement. And finally, Davis gets a smaller percentage on the recall question than Schwarzenegger gets in replacing him.

On both recall and replacement, the gaps are too big to close. Remember that almost all elections take place "between the 40-yard lines." A ten point difference, 55 to 45, is a "landslide" in American elections. Davis loses by a landslide. Schwarzenegger wins by a landslide.

This election is all over except the shouting.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Democrats Dancing to Tunes of Glory?," discussion thread on FR. Article will likely be on ChronWatch.

9 posted on 09/28/2003 8:10:14 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Everyone talks about Congress; I am doing something about it.)
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To: SBprone
If McClintock drops out and the Republican votes go to Arnold for the most part, it would strengthen the percentage of Arnold's win over Bustamante. It would be best if he had a more comfortable lead over the Dem candidate. Those polls are just too close between Arnold and Cruz for comfort. It's disappointing to see the Republican vote split; that is what Cruz and Gray had in mind all along, the media is promoting the split like crazy, and some people are falling for the ploy.
10 posted on 09/28/2003 8:13:06 AM PDT by Moonmad27
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To: Dog Gone
Lt. Gov. Bustamante, on the other hand, continued his slide -- with overnight tracking showing 50 percent of those surveyed now having an unfavorable opinion of him.

I wonder how many people have learned he's a Mechista. I've gotten at least a dozen people to the point where they will not even consider him after I explained MEChA's infamous slogan, "For the race everything; for those outside the race, nothing."

Now multiply that dozen thousands of times over and it's enough to make a difference.

Of course, offering third world, tax-the-rich Marxist solutions to everything doesn't help him much, either.

11 posted on 09/28/2003 8:16:41 AM PDT by Catalonia
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To: SBprone
For the past month I've been convinced that McClintock's candidacy won't make a bit of difference in this race.

I hope you're right. I'd vote for McClintock in a primary, but he is going to lose, so I will now vote to Scharzenegger instead. Regretable but that is the reality. Hopefully McClintock supporters will realize this in the end and switch their votes. Or perhaps McClintock will drop out a few days before the recall once it's clear he can't win.

If nothing else, Arnie can at least veto the Far Left legislature the racist/sexist/heterophobic Democratic assembly will try to pass. Arnie is no McClintock, but he's no Davis, either. Small steps ... small steps.

12 posted on 09/28/2003 8:21:23 AM PDT by Catalonia
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To: Catalonia
Bustamante's fade in the polls came as a surprise to me. With the Democrats successfully limiting the fallback replacement to Davis if the recall passed to a single candidate who already held statewide office, the Republicans had a real problem.

To some extent, they still do, since McClintock is holding onto a significant chunk of support.

But Bustamante blew it with the Indian money and his horrible performance in the big debate. His past use of the "N" word received some publicity, and there certainly are some valid questions about his attitudes about race.

What the poll numbers above tell us is that Democrats would rather retain Davis than elect Bustamante, and they're not too keen on doing either.

I have to agree with Congressman Billybob. This race is over.

13 posted on 09/28/2003 8:27:46 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Congressman Billybob
I agree with you and always have a lot of respect for your clear and realistic prognostications.

Thats why I'd love to hear your thoughts related to the impact of any last minute dirt bombs? I expect the impact to be minimal, after all, this is Kalifornia and not the Bible Belt.
14 posted on 09/28/2003 8:38:01 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Dog Gone
To some extent, they still do, since McClintock is holding onto a significant chunk of support.

McClintock should drop out a few days before the election so as not to alienate GOP insiders. It would make him look like a selfless team player. Not that I have any idea how he could use that political capital for anything except becoming governor, which will be unavailable to him for 8 years if Arnold wins (assuming Arnold runs for re-election).

I have to agree with Congressman Billybob. This race is over.

I hope you’re right. Conservative laws will not be passed no matter who wins -– Republicans are too few in the CA legislature. But a Republican governor, even a RINO, at least wields a veto power, and there are enough Republicans in the legislature to put the brakes on tax increases.

I’ll take it.

15 posted on 09/28/2003 8:39:34 AM PDT by Catalonia
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To: Dog Gone
Yes--I took a little poll at my office (I'm a federal employee) and EVERYONE I work with is a voting Dem, and everyone is saying they are voting "no" on recall and leaving the 2nd part blank.

(Because they are supposedly "disgusted" with the whole thing; but I think it's just that lots of Dems don't like Bustamone for whatever reason.)
16 posted on 09/28/2003 8:39:46 AM PDT by olivia3boys
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To: Catalonia
I'd vote for McClintock in a primary, but he is going to lose, so I will now vote to Scharzenegger instead. Regretable but that is the reality. Hopefully McClintock supporters will realize this in the end and switch their votes.

I think a substantial number of McClintock voters will make the same rational decision that you have made. Not all, and maybe not even most, will do so. Some are the single-issue voters who will never support a candidate who expresses even limited support for legal abortion. Some cannot vote for him because of what they see as immoral behavior in the past.

But enough will decide that a McClintock vote is a wasted vote, and the threat of a Bustamante governorship too horrible to contemplate, that they will cast their vote for Schwarzenegger. They can then focus their energy in getting a true conservative elected to replace Senator Boxer.

17 posted on 09/28/2003 8:41:50 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I forgot about Bustamonte using the "N" word. Maybe that's why none of my black coworkers are voting for him.

My white Dem homosexual supervisor is one of those "limo liberal" types and I think he thinks voting for Bustamonte is sort of beneath him.
18 posted on 09/28/2003 8:45:51 AM PDT by olivia3boys
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To: Dog Gone
I forgot about Bustamonte using the "N" word. Maybe that's why none of my black coworkers are voting for him.

My white Dem homosexual supervisor is one of those "limo liberal" types and I think he thinks voting for Bustamonte is sort of beneath him.
19 posted on 09/28/2003 8:45:52 AM PDT by olivia3boys
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To: Dog Gone
"So much for the strategy of trying to win over the independents with the 'progressive' message,"

Scince when did over-bearing opression by a disconnected government become a paletteable "progressive message" to people who truely believe in independance.

20 posted on 09/28/2003 8:47:01 AM PDT by fella
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