Bear activist killed by Alaska grizzly

ASSOCIATED PRESS | 08 Oct 03

[Criminal Number 18F]

Actually, Tim and Amie recorded their demise on the audio track of a wireless vid recorder. No video track, alas.

As far as things happen in threes this was it:

1. Roy Horn
2. The kid in Harlem with the tiger and cayman in his apt, and
3. Timothy Treadwell, who's bear's been fed well

Wouldn't want to be the state trooper who had to listen to that tape, though. Not just the end, the part where Treadwell sings to the bear...

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Moto]

Muzzle energy is not cumulative in the way you are suggesting. If you want to get a bear's attention, hit him with the 12 ga, and leave the Glock where it belongs...in the backup holster!

[Caipirabob]

Even tho he was killed, I still am amazed at his ability. It does teach a lesson that no matter how well you deal with them it can't change the fact that they are meat eaters and you are meat.

I just thought this deserved to be repeated.

[Ichneumon]

[One of the last things she screamed was, "My God, he's torn my arm off".]

That poor woman! Unarmed...

More apt would be "Disarmed"...

If the bear had removed her legs instead, of course, the word would be "defeated".

[Northern Yankee]

I think I'll stick with the Rocket Propelled Grenade.

It just sounds so cool when you fire it.

[fso301]

Muzzle energy is not cumulative in the way you are suggesting. If you want to get a bear's attention, hit him with the 12 ga, and leave the Glock where it belongs...in the backup holster!

Actually, I went to the ballistics table looking for muzzle energy for #00 buck to use as a comparison against accumulated pistol hits. I agree, comparing against a rifled slug is not appropriate but since I didn't immediately get what I was looking for, I used the 3" 12ga slug ballistics.

the pistol round wouldn't be able to create a deep bone crushing wound channel but assuming a 9mm would create a 3" wound channel 6 inches deep, multiply that times 11 rounds and you have a lot of shock. All that having been said, I wouldn't want to take on a killer bear at point blank range with a pistol. Give me a semi-auto 3" 12ga with slugs.

[BillF]

Don't they usually advise that, if you going to carry a handgun in bear country, it be a minimum of 44 mag. or more?

When my brother's USAF fighter squadron went to Alaska for training, they issued him and the other aviators 38 caliber sidearms in case they had to bail out in the wildness.

One of the aviators asked the leader if the 38 could be used on a grizzly bear. The leader said, "Yeah, it will annoy him so that he will kill you faster."

[fire_eye]

Well, I know a guy who killed a bear with a .22 handgun (after someone else winged it with a .30-30 which then jammed). But he was very careful where he shot it (and very desperate) (and VERY cool-headed, if you ask me...). But it was a black bear, not a grizzly...

Anyway... I know this thread is dead, but I just *had* to post this, in tender memorial of the two dead 60's fruitcakes:

Have you stopped to consider
How it will feel
Cold grinding grizzly bear jaws
Hot on your heels

- Jim Morrison, "Shaman's Blues"

(Shoulda *listened* to all those Doors records, fruitcakes...)