[Swordmaker]

The Archdeacon describes blood and water flowing from the side wound and the imprint of "His form" on the linen... which demonstrates he was well aware that the Image of Edessa was a full body image and had blood stains on it.

All of this was written and presented in a Sermon to the congregation of Hagia Sophia on August 15, 944 AD, 300 years before the Shroud was unveiled in Lirey, France, by Geoffrey deCharnay's widow and duaghter and 402 years before the birth of Leonardo DaVinci who some theorists claim to have painted the Shroud.

[Swordmaker]

Ping the Shroud List.

Shroud of Turin / Image of Edesssa description in Sermon from 944AD Constantinople!!!

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Swordmaker

[polemikos]

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[xJones]

Please add me to your Shroud png list, and fill me in some details here. I'd read that the Shroud does have middle-eastern pollen, quite possibly from ancient Israel. A carbon-age dating, though, gave a date around 1400 A.D. Critics said that the date may have been inaccurate, because of some scorching of part of the Shroud, which might reset the carbon-age dating clock - or something like that.

[Dajjal]

I think it ought to be pointed out that the title of this thread, "Shroud of Turin description in Sermon from 944AD Constantinople!" is a bit presumptuous.

The title ought to be "Image of Edessa description in Sermon from 944AD Constantinople!"

Yes, an argument can be made that the Image of Edessa is the same as the Shroud of Turin -- and I wish that someone with more credibility than UFO-chaser Ian Wilson had made it -- but the matter is by no means settled.

The description in this 10th-century sermon is of an image of Christ's face only made miraculously on a cloth, apparently from His blood. It is not a description of a cloth with an image of Christ's whole body, front and back.

I am not saying that the Image of Edessa is not the Shroud. Personally, I am undecided on the matter, but will entertain the argument that they are the same.

All I am saying is don't jump the gun. Don't think we have some kind of 10th-century testimony regarding the full-body Shroud. We don't -- at least, not here.

[TexConfederate1861]

I wonder if the Shroud was STOLEN from the Orthodox during the Sack of Constantinople....those wonderful Crusaders who were out to liberate the Holy Land, but instead "liberated" everything they could lay their bloody hands on.....Those horses at St. Marks in Venice, for example......

[Aquinasfan]

Interesting.

[SunkenCiv]

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