A Fireside Chat with Cardinal George

myself | 8 March 2004 | myself

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

God Bless

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

Ping!! (Discussion, Reflection)

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

Ping!

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

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Plus, anyone know how to put together a ping list, cause I am getting sick of trying to remember everyone's handle and forgetting people.

[Siobhan]

I am floored. Thank you for posting this.

I wave my shamrock and declare this a MUST READ.

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

Cardinal George is brilliant, his anaylsis was incredible, so realistic and so scary.

[sinkspur]

He argued that for example, a woman sues the Church to be a priest saying it is her right. She gets five justices to agree that it is a right. The Church cannot argue legally from a sacramental standpoint, because Roe v. Wade changed the argument from institutional and community to individual rights, as such the Church must argue on the basis of rights, and here has no argument. The Five justices decree women's ordination, the result is two churches. One a state sponsored Catholic Church and the other an underground Catholic Church. His actual timeframe was ten years.

This is a bit hysterical. I'm sure George is hacked over the California decision, where Catholic Charities must offer insurance for contraception.

If the Church continues to crawl into bed with the federal government (read: vouchers, Faith-based initiatives), and takes government money then it will have to do what the government tells it to do.

[GirlShortstop]

This is a brief summary as best as I can remember, it was a powerful talk, he talked for 2.5 hours.
God Bless

Thank you!
BUMP

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

He asked for your prayers as well, for The Church and for himself, that he might be better able to lead.

[Eisenhower]

Very nice summary, I wish I had been able to attend. It would have been nice to hear his thoughts on all of these issues that you mentioned. Now, your job is to see if you can guess who this is ;-).

[BlessedBeGod]

The Five justices decree women's ordination, the result is two churches. One a state sponsored Catholic Church and the other an underground Catholic Church. His actual timeframe was ten years.

There'll be riots in the streets. I can't believe it'll ever happen.

[Askel5]

Let Sinkspur help explain.

It's going to happen.

[heyheyhey]

If the Church continues to crawl into bed with the federal government (read: vouchers, Faith-based initiatives), and takes government money then it will have to do what the government tells it to do.

You have a point... but... there is this thought, "government money" is the taxpayer's money, including the Catholic taxpayer. The services provided by Catholic Charities are not limited to Catholic recepients; in fact the religious affiliation of the recipient is irrelevant. Evangelization of the recipients is branded "proselytizing" and it is a big PC "no-no."

The court has no right to impose immorality on a Catholic institution and the local Bishop should scream "FIRE!" right away. If the Bishops begin to pact tenderly with the devil they will lose big time and the whole US Church will lose big time.

The strings attached to the Catholic Charities subsidies should never compromise the faith. "You cannot serve both God and money."

[Dumb_Ox]

The Five justices decree women's ordination, the result is two churches. One a state sponsored Catholic Church and the other an underground Catholic Church. His actual timeframe was ten years.

"It can't happen here."

I do think that's too short a timeframe. Then again, His Eminence has more connections than I do.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Scary prediction for the future. He's probably right.

[Dajjal]

His most sobering comment concerned the status of the Church in twenty years. His foresees the Catholic Church being forced underground as in China (with less physical persecution).... His actual timeframe was ten years.

Bumpus ad summum

[VermiciousKnid]

Thank you for the ping. You've done a great job describing Cardinal George's discussion.

Regards,

[ninenot]

Thanks. Nothing like a little optimism to start the day!

[NeoCaveman]

Thanks for the ping.

It will start with them yanking our tax exempt status.