Posted on 08/28/2004 9:10:46 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
I'm assuming you can't answer where those Marian apparitions occurred. I'm going to assume, therefore, that they're bogus.
"ensoulment? Thats a fresh one to me."
Well, with every human conception, a new soul is created and God locates it in that preborn person, right?
In Genesis, God made man from dirt. Surely he didn't have a soul at that point. After God had him ready, He breathed a soul into him.
"If man evolved, it necessarily follows that somewhere in there, man did not have an immortal soul"
No, some halfway creature that God was molding into a receptacle for a soul didn't have one. So what?
"- which would mean that "our immortal souls evolved" - which is an obvious oxymoron."
No, it wouldn't mean that at all. It would just mean that until God got His receptacles ready, He didn't endow them with souls.
Our Lady's Messages for 1986
April - June
Medjugorje.com
If this is what your asking of me...
Medjugorje is phony. It is not accepted by the Church, and has been condemned by the local bishop.
And the world is only 8000 years old. Yeh right.
"I say this evening, as your God, that on that date, as promised at Fatima, satan entered My Church upon earth. He brought with him his agents—and satan himself, the deceiver of all mankind, sat in on Vatican II and maneuvered all the outsiders to come in and distort My doctrines and distort the truth." - Jesus, June 18, 1986
"Sister Lucy is no longer a point of reference today since we have such a good one in the Second Vatican Council". —Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon José de Cruz Policarpo, October 12, 2003
Do you dis-agree with this?
The reason it's important is because the evolution theory was invented by atheists to prove that God had no hand in creation, and that humans are just a meaningless, accidental by-product of a soulless, purposeless universe. The very basis and foundation of evolution is that there is no God in control, and that humans are just a machine, with no soul or eternal identity separate from the physical body.
I just read this book, and it is a very interesting compilation of evidence attmepting to show that humans have not evolved, they'ved devolved. Meaning, humans are eternal souls, currently imprisoned in physical bodies due to previous transgression. It is a non-sectarian book, that people of any philosophical bent might gain insight from reading.
Human Devolution by Michael Cremo
http://www.mcremo.com/
Also on his website is his book "Forbidden Archeology" which exposes the lies and falsity of the pro-evolution evidence and artifacts, which those at the Vatican would benefit from learning about.
Those who "believe" in evolution are not to be trusted, as they hide, lie, and obfuscate to push their unproven theory on everyone as though it is absolute truth.
***So what if God used a method that looks like evolution to create man***
Because by accepting it you are denying the literal truth of the Scriptures - and by implication, salvation through Jesus Christ.
"Death came by one man..."
***I'm looking up the quotes from St. Thomas Aquinas, now...
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Then he was wrong.
I don't think any purpose is being served by speaking about "visions" that contradict the Teaching of the Church Jesus established to Teach in His name.
Adam and Eve had no ancestors; God created them.
***That's the problem with the fundamentalist interpretation of Scripture: it falls like a house of cards in the face of science***
If you remove special creation (ie literal 6 day creation) then Christian (and Catholic) theology falls apart like a house of cards.
I'll be glad to show you how it happens.
***One more example: Coral reefs have annual growth rings, just like trees. Coral reefs commonly have hundreds of thousands of these.***
Assuming the earth never existed in a super-growth, hot house like state such as one might find described in the Bible (pre-deluge)...
***Six days.
What is a "day"?***
A day is an evening and a morning, as in...
"And the evening and the morning were the first day."
-Gen 1 :5
(I would imagine that was put there so we wouldn't miss the literal nature of the "day" refered to!)
I agree with both. Jesus never appeared at Medjuorgje either.
Don't you understand? Medjugorje is not an approved apparition! It is an occasion to sucker gullible souls to make pilgrimages and spend money on trinkets that have no meaning.
You just as well believe that the Easter bunny is real.
You simply don't know how to read the Scriptures. Salvation through Jesus does not come through believing every single word of Scripture as historical fact.
But, I'm not going to try to change your mind. Just putting a stake in the ground here.
If you believe in literal creation, your fundamentalism falls apart.
I have no intention of going around this tree again.
The Bible clearly says otherwise. I'll take God and common sense over "St." Thomas Aquina.
I wouldn't call God's clear Word nonsense...
***You simply don't know how to read the Scriptures.***
In Romans Paul states...
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned-- for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come."
If there was no literal Adam who committed the first literal sin and brought literal death on all mankind then Paul is DEAD WRONG in his theology. And, mind you, this is no small point of Paul's soteriology.
If Paul is dead wrong on this critical fact about the death of Jesus then how can you be sure he is right about anything else?
Jesus coninually spoke of Adam as a real historical person. Jesus continually refered to the account of creation as literally, historically true.
If Jesus was wrong about creation - wrong about such a central event in the Bible, then how do you know he's not also wrong when he says,
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."
I submit to you that if what you believe is true, you CANNOT know that he was not wrong and that your faith, therefore, is just mere personal opinion and preference.
I emplore you to take the time to look up the verses in the Gospels where Jesus refers to creation and seek to discern his opinion of the event - whether he views it as allegory or literal truth.
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