Posted on 11/15/2004 8:17:32 AM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat
You don't have to be specific, we already know....
Interesting that 52% of them have "those criteria..."
It's sad, but it seems the corruption just continues. More of the same. Weird. But...perhaps predictable.
But, you may have a point, at least in some percentage thereof.
First off, your number is low by a factor of 100%.
Secondly, I hasten to remind you, there IS the possibility of Trial and Toasting by the Tomas deTorquemada Gentlemen's Club.
Of course, you know my opinion is that this has never been a time of a "Priests Scandal" but rather it is a "Bishops' Scandal" -- and the USCCB offices have been slimy and successful in casting everything as the "priests' scandal". Everyone falls for the spin of it so as to let the bishops involved slither away.
>>>>So now the guy who bankrupted his own diocese will be leading the entire USCCB. Very appropriate.
Bankrupting the USCCB would be a very good step. We can hope, maybe he is the right guy for the job. ;-)
Sadly, it looks that way. Surely somewhere, someplace, there is some standard where a bishop is elected because of a long record of outstanding holiness, piety, and defending the Faith handed down once for all, instead of "politics." I suppose I'm silly to expect such a thing, but then again, being a new convert, I keep hoping the leadership at large will wake up to the serious problems that exist. Silly me, what was I thinking?!?!?
Ain't it the truth!!!!
Rhetorical question - then what the heck is he doing as a bishop, much less being elected as President of the USCCB?!?!
Rhetorical question, as I said. I think I already know the answer. More and more it seems there are two Catholic churches, the one I fell in love with and crossed over the Tiber to be a part of - the one of the great Fathers, Doctors, Saints, Our Mother, etc. And the other one, which is pretty much like the ECUSA - the "religous" wing of the Democratic Party.
"Cloudy memory" of a priest abusing kids under his watch while he did nothing?!?!?!?!? Don't even get me started!!!!!!!! I'll bet his memory is "cloudy!"
I was especially interested in Kikanes because he is as bad as his poor pathetic predessessor in Tucson but much smarter,which makes him much more dangerous. He had been a Bernardin man,is said to be homosexual and has declared bankruptcy for the diocese.
The votes were eletronically cast so there is no way of figuring out who vote for whom. Too bad. My biggest concerns wer Kikanes and Wuerl. I am not sure why I am cncerned about Wuerl,I really don't know too much aboout him. I think I go from lukewarm to cold on him,I'll just watch closer because he's obviously a player. I do know my favorites were George and Chaput with Rigali not far behind and then Levada and then Dolan. I knew Kikanes and Skylstad were not acceptable. I was not at all easy with Wuerl and I just can't remember the other two.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
For the sake of watering some gardens,I can bet that Pilla,Pilarcyzk,Clark,Hubbard,Lynch,Friend,Mahoney,McGrath,Brown,Pellote,Kelly,Grahmann,Fiorenza,Flynn,Adamec,Imesch were all pretty worried that Skylstad would be turned out of office. But the more I think about it the more I thin that it is good that a dissident,prickly Amchurchian bishop is there to take heat until the Catholic Church in the USA is cleansed. I really don't think it will take much longer.
"If it turns out to be an abomination, may all of the copies of it spontaneously combust."
Amen!
Are you sure they said "first ever"? The third Plenary Council of Baltimore issued a catechism for the US - The Baltimore Catechism.
" Ugh. I bet I know how it will begin. "Sisters and brothers..."
Ugh it right! Keep the Pepto handy and hope something that doesn't read like something from the latest ECUSA general circus (er...general convention) is what come forth!
Thanks. You may have something about it actually being a good thing Skylstad is at the helm. The story Land of the Irish posted is something right out of Goodbye, Good Men. It does seem like the whole abuse thing is coming to the forefront again. I think the media is mad at the Catholics over Bush's win.
Calm down .. relax .. sit back .. smile .. WE are the church. Unlike ECUSA, these bishops have no power to change anything. The bishops' president does not set policy, but represents U.S. bishops to the Vatican and acts as chief spokesman for the American church, among other duties. Here's the meeting's agenda (compliments of CNN):
In addition to the leadership question, Washington Cardinal Theodore McCarrick was scheduled to provide an update on the work of the bishops' Catholics in public life task force.
The bishops have spent many months publicly debating whether they should deny Communion to dissenting Catholic lawmakers. The issue arose when Democrat John Kerry, a Catholic who backs abortion rights, became his party's nominee for president and St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke said he would withhold the sacrament from the Massachusetts senator.
At the bishops' meeting last June, the task force released a statement criticizing Catholic politicians who support abortion rights, while affirming church law that individual bishops can determine how to respond to candidates.
Separately, the bishops will consider starting a multiyear initiative aimed at strengthening marriage, as the divorce rate remains high and gays lobby for the right to wed, which the church opposes.
Church leaders also will decide whether to join the broadest alliance of Christians ever formed in the United States. The group, called Christian Churches Together in the U.S.A., would include evangelicals, mainline Protestants, Orthodox Christians and Catholics.
The group hopes to collectively represent Christian views on different issues. Catholic churches in other countries belong to similar interdenominational organizations.
Although the abuse crisis has dominated bishops' meetings in the past two years, the issue will take up little of their public agenda this week.
The newest appointees to the National Review Board, the lay watchdog panel bishops formed to oversee their national policy on combatting abuse, are expected be introduced. And the bishops will be asked to authorize collecting data on new abuse claims in dioceses.
Skylstad had already served three years as conference vice president and every vice president who has sought the presidency has won.
I went to the EWTN site and can not find confirmation of Sklystad's election. I also went to Catholic.org and CatholicExchange.org. Where did you hear of it?
They really don't cover that sort of thing in RCIA, do they?
Didn't Someone tell us He came not to bring peace but division? The more I examine the history of the Church the less I expect to ever see any evidence of widespread piety or doctrinal agreement in any period of our history. Our time period fits right in.
Perhaps we Americans can console ourselves that if we are messing things up mightily the Corinthians and Thessalonians were there ahead of us.
The floors of hell are paved with the skulls of bishops. - St. John Chrysostom
My 25 are provable inposters. There are probably 25 more,in fact,I have another seven that I am just waiting for one more data point before including them.
I am not completely confident that some of them are not just weak sisters. There is a big different between people who hold error ridden positions in the Church. Some are just ignorant,others stupid or dishonest or hypocritical or evil,in varying degrees and/or admixtures.
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