Does Science Point to God? Part II: The Christian Critics

Crisis Magazine ^ | Benjamin D. Wiker

[xzins]

ping

[Buggman]

I hope you're wearing your asbestos PJs, friend. ;^)

[RobbyS]

Spinoza's tactic was to concede the right to religion to say what is moral. He didn't mean it. Because man is part of nature and subject to the "laws of nature" his conclusions about morality must conform to what "divine reason" tells us through science.

[betty boop]

Once human nature is understood to be an accident of chance, it can no longer be the inviolable locus of moral claims.

Fine post, xzins. I especially liked Wiker's pointing out that the "Two Truths" theory of knowledge really is a canard. For every dogmatic Darwinist I know is a closet metaphysician who refuses to admit the fact.

Thanks for the post, xzins!

[Doctor Stochastic]

That atheism is the natural effect of embracing evolutionary theory should come as no surprise.

The author finds that the change of allele frequencies over time leads to atheism? Or maybe the author is just doing the Usual Creationist Thing of accusing everyone who doesn't share his viewpoint of being atheists. Oh well, at least he didn't accuse evolution for being responsible for the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa.

[pro610]

Darwin is Satan's weapon for society of today, before Darwin there was Plato before Plato there was Socrates.
All of these men are fools.
All of these men along with others such as Helen Blavatsky, Emanuel Swedenborg,Carl Jung and others are from the Evil One(Satan).
They also have one thing in common.
They have advanced the Theosophical Society, the most evil organization in the world today.

[suzyjaruki]

nearly all the moral controversies we face today (and we will face tomorrow) hinge on a single disagreement: whether human beings are fundamentally distinct from all other animals or whether human beings are simply one more kind of animal

Romans 1:18-31 is a good description of man without dignity.

[AndrewC]

Thanks for the ping.

To the contrary, every view of science rests on some view of reality, explicitly or implicitly; or, to put it another way, every view of science rests on explicit or assumed first principles.

The heart of the matter.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the article, xzins! And thank you for your insight, betty boop!

For every dogmatic Darwinist I know is a closet metaphysician who refuses to admit the fact.

Indeed.

Of late I've been harping on the science threads trying to get some of the dogmatic Darwinists to understand that declaring "Nature did it" forecloses further investigation just as surely as the declaration that "God did it".

[xzins]

"Nature did it" forecloses further investigation just as surely as the declaration that "God did it".

A point worth putting front and center.

[xzins]

every view of science rests on explicit or assumed first principles.

I do think that is a basic premise of science. They have a world view that both guides their inquiries, and a worldview that they adapt after they have received new data.

[P-Marlowe]

Oh well, at least he didn't accuse evolution for being responsible for the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa.

I suspect that a practical application of the moral principles inherent in the idea of "survival of the fittest" may have played a significant role in his disappearance.

[xzins]

Jimmy Hoffa..."survival of fittest" :>) Translation: "He didn't off them; they offed him."

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for gathering the point!

Truly, the "nature did it" worldview is a statement of faith, a religion which worships at the feet of happenstance.

[Alamo-Girl]

LOLOLOL! Great catch!

[WriteOn]

Actually he meant it. It's a false dichotomy, science are not opposed. How could they be with the same author?

[WriteOn]

religion and science are not opposed

[RobbyS]

I mean that Spinoza was lying. He only gave religion a role as a concession to public opinion.

[xzins]

That's what I gathered from the article. Spinoza would have played Jack Nicholson against Tom Cruise and shouted to us weak humans: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"